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Post by egyptianplanet on Apr 25, 2010 19:38:00 GMT -5
Not sad but weary of such claims as it has often been used as an excuse to negate African originality of Kmt no matter how small such out side influences may have been. and one has to remember that the Semitic speakers themselves radiated out of east Africa in connection with the Natufian culture ..per Christopher Ereth. Oh absolutely. There is no doubt the Semitic languages origin is in Ethiopia. I think we need to understand the connection between East Africa and Middle East better. There is not as much of an "African/Asiatic" sort of "block" that we like to believe. I like to apply it as more of a chimera of varying cultures. The more far away something is, the more it's less connected yet it still holds a bond. I am not here to deny the African origins of Egypt. I am proud of its African roots and am glad it is being taught rightfully as an African civilization. However we cannot forget that like many cultures, Egypt borrowed some things while maintaining its African roots. Also, lu, my point was that the people in the Middle East were not light, they were dark. The only thing that separated Egyptians from Semites is the fact that Egyptians were a darker shade of brown. Let's not forger Arabs and other Southwest Asiatics, too, were likely a lot darker than we think them to be especially before mixation with lighter skinned Central Asians too place. I'd also like to thank you all for the warm welcome. I look forward to discussing with you all more in the future. (However I won't be here for awhile due to the nature of finals I need to take this week). |
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Post by anansi on Jul 20, 2010 6:51:07 GMT -5
WOW!! Arara Sabalu nice find there is a post on E/S that purported that God Bes was worshiped in Nigeria .. figure of Nigerian Bes  Poster Ebony Allen:quote The first one is a sculpture of a Yoruba figure called a Child of Obatala. Obatala is a Yoruba god. And the second one is the Egyptian god Bes. And they are both wearing a skull necklace.
 And hum.lss.wisc.edu/hjdrewal/Ife.htmlFor the statuewww.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001795Original post.If the find is authentic then there is no question of a deep relationship between the Nile and the Niger. I tried to e-mail Professor Drewal to find out the age and circumstance of the find but I did not receive a response maybe someone with clout can give it a try..  |
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Post by anansi on Jul 22, 2010 23:29:01 GMT -5
img710.imageshack.us/img710/9876/ramife.gifYes I know of the comparison but did not make any outright claims but seeing the carved ram you produced I am very close to throw caution to the winds and pronounce a definite connection to the Nile Valley high cultures.
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Post by imhotep06 on Jul 22, 2010 23:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Jul 23, 2010 0:44:28 GMT -5
You should check out my article titled Posture and meaning: Interpreting Egyptian Art Through a Kongo Cultural Lens. The similarities of visuals isn't as important as the meaning behind the poses. That's where you are going to make your connections. Check out all of the other images that this reflects. Yes I checked it out more interesting comparisons especially with the poses and what they mean btw I don't know if this mean anything but as a kid and the Jamericans/Jamaicans can back me up on this'' when someone messes up especially after a warning ..we would place the right index under neath the right eye and pull down making the eye larger and sticking our tongues out and utter this word? Abay in a display of mockery anyone know what Abay actually mean in any African language that would be a term of derision. Also please check out this video lecture by the Met Museum egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pav&action=display&thread=419 |
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Post by imhotep06 on Jul 23, 2010 1:06:33 GMT -5
I will check in the book Africanisms in American Culture to see if they say anything about Abay.
I am familiar with Dr. Klaimen as she was my African studies teacher at U of H (Africa to 1700, and Africa from 1700 to 2000). She's married to an Ethiopian man if I'm not mistaken. For cool woman. I disagree, however, with a lot of her texts. The weaknesses can be summed in Dr. Felix A. Chami's work The Unity of African Ancient History: 3000 BC to AD 500. Her claim that the cultivation of Bananas helped to fuel the "Bantu" migrations is ludicrous in my eye.
The whole concept of the Bantu migrations out of Nigeria has to be revisited. Chami discusses some of the possible reasons as to why.
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Post by anansi on Jul 23, 2010 1:37:33 GMT -5
I will check in the book Africanisms in American Culture to see if they say anything about Abay. I am familiar with Dr. Klaimen as she was my African studies teacher at U of H (Africa to 1700, and Africa from 1700 to 2000). She's married to an Ethiopian man if I'm not mistaken. For cool woman. I disagree, however, with a lot of her texts. The weaknesses can be summed in Dr. Felix A. Chami's work The Unity of African Ancient History: 3000 BC to AD 500. Her claim that the cultivation of Bananas helped to fuel the "Bantu" migrations is ludicrous in my eye. The whole concept of the Bantu migrations out of Nigeria has to be revisited. Chami discusses some of the possible reasons as to why. Thanks. My reason for pointing you and others to the Vid.lecture was to look at the relationships between the Twa and the Bantu which reminds me of pharaohs of kmt in regards the Twa they seems to mirror each other in behavior. |
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Post by RED WHITE BLUE PLUS CHRISTIAN on Jul 31, 2010 12:27:46 GMT -5
I think Paris means the grove of Isis.
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Post by imhotep06 on Aug 17, 2010 4:13:00 GMT -5
^^ imhotep06: I see in your article that you already dealt with the couple of pictures we mentioned. Were you the first one to make a connection between Bes and the "Nigerian" terracotta? OT: Do you think of Pharaoh's smitting of the enemies' pose to be somehow connected to the "crossroads" pose as well? I don't know if I was the first. But I think I am the first to attempt to interpret the postures. The "Bes" figure is all over the world and there were many more pics I could have included. But I just wanted to demonstrate that this is in fact an African tradition still being practiced in West and Central Africa and the modern interpretations could shed light on the ancient practices. I don't think the Pharaoh smiting his enemies are the same pose. They are never articulated in the same context. |
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