Post by nebsen on Mar 28, 2012 17:17:26 GMT -5
africurious,
I knew you would take away a somewhat distorted view of my concerns about China. I like many others want to see a world where all are secure, at peace ,with one another & hunger is a thing of the past ; maybe one day that might be the reality, but today it is not. If you noticed I do live in America & whether one like's it or not ( & I make no apology for it). I'm still part of my environment. Now you say "why single out china ?"well it seems our president has been doing the same thing as of late & he should& I agree ! You state" China consumes way less meat than the countries esp. rich countries". that might have been true 40 years are so, but with China growing 400, million middle class, that is no longer the reality. I said 400, million, 100, million more people than the total population of America. they want meat , cars, gas, & the good life !
I begrudge them not , for what they achieved is to raise 400, million from poverty within a 30 year span, & put them into the middle class! This has never been done before in the history of the WORLD ! You also say "So, America should remain the lone super power & consume to it's heart content "I say NO, NO & NO. The problem is the model that every one wants to emulate is the American model which is a broken model & has been for a long time. Their is a certain amount of envy that other countries have whether they admit it or not about America being "The Land Of Milk & Honey". Why do you think millions are trying to get their green card or not to get to the shores of America, as imperfect as America is ? I did say the western model( America, U.K. etc is on it's way out, give or take a 100 years, did I not ? The world can't handle such a model as ours, if we want to survive on this planet.
The model if any, & it's not perfect that the Chinese & others( including us in America )should be looking at is the Scandinavian model, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, & Iceland. They have a more sustainable way of life than we do, & a more balanced way of being in harmony with the planet. Higher taxes, but every one has their needs met! That's the problem I have with China using a model for it's middle class that is doomed to fail on a far bigger way than even they can imagine . They have great pride in their intellectual prowess as a people, well they better change course fast ,& come up with a model that can be sustainable , & just maybe teach the rest of us how to survive in the 21century
I knew you would take away a somewhat distorted view of my concerns about China. I like many others want to see a world where all are secure, at peace ,with one another & hunger is a thing of the past ; maybe one day that might be the reality, but today it is not. If you noticed I do live in America & whether one like's it or not ( & I make no apology for it). I'm still part of my environment. Now you say "why single out china ?"well it seems our president has been doing the same thing as of late & he should& I agree ! You state" China consumes way less meat than the countries esp. rich countries". that might have been true 40 years are so, but with China growing 400, million middle class, that is no longer the reality. I said 400, million, 100, million more people than the total population of America. they want meat , cars, gas, & the good life !
I begrudge them not , for what they achieved is to raise 400, million from poverty within a 30 year span, & put them into the middle class! This has never been done before in the history of the WORLD ! You also say "So, America should remain the lone super power & consume to it's heart content "I say NO, NO & NO. The problem is the model that every one wants to emulate is the American model which is a broken model & has been for a long time. Their is a certain amount of envy that other countries have whether they admit it or not about America being "The Land Of Milk & Honey". Why do you think millions are trying to get their green card or not to get to the shores of America, as imperfect as America is ? I did say the western model( America, U.K. etc is on it's way out, give or take a 100 years, did I not ? The world can't handle such a model as ours, if we want to survive on this planet.
The model if any, & it's not perfect that the Chinese & others( including us in America )should be looking at is the Scandinavian model, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, & Iceland. They have a more sustainable way of life than we do, & a more balanced way of being in harmony with the planet. Higher taxes, but every one has their needs met! That's the problem I have with China using a model for it's middle class that is doomed to fail on a far bigger way than even they can imagine . They have great pride in their intellectual prowess as a people, well they better change course fast ,& come up with a model that can be sustainable , & just maybe teach the rest of us how to survive in the 21century