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Post by zarahan on Apr 16, 2014 10:09:22 GMT -5
a-ra cred. DOWNLOAD LINK (online view too) Main aspects (citation in bold): - The African origins of Egyptian civilisation lie in an important cultural horizon, the ‘primary pastoral community’, which emerged in both the Egyptian and Sudanese parts of the Nile Valley in the fifth millennium BC.- The aim of the present article is to define an important horizon of cultural change, belonging to the fifth millennium BC, linking Egypt’s early development firmly to that of its southern neighbours in Nubia and central Sudan. - This cultural horizon is situated between the green Sahara (early-mid holocene) period (Wavy Line pottery culture) and Badarian/Naqada period. All in the 5th Millennium BC. The Sahara was in the process of desertification. Most population were still mobile but maintained a certain cultural uniformity across the Nile and surrounding desert areas (Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah, Kharthoum, etc). - ...the characteristic features of the ‘primary pastoral community’ may appear slightly earlier in the Sudanese than in the Egyptian part of the valley, suggesting a possible spread from south to north during the course of the fifth millennium. - Neolithic of the Nile Valley constitutes a cultural phenomenon of impressive coherence, scale and duration. - It is during this period [edit:5th Millennium BC] that burial grounds of varying size—but rarely exceeding a hundred individuals within a single cemetery—become a widely visible feature in the archaeological record of this region. - ...the sites have a broadly similar character along both its Egyptian and Sudanese courses - These developments are echoed in the changing location of herding and fishing camps along the margins of the floodplain. Seasonally occupied sites of this kind constitute our main evidence for the nature of human habitation along the Nile Valley during the fifth millennium BC. Comprising loose configurations of post-holes, dung deposits, hearths and thin ash-middens, the sites have a broadly similar character along both its Egyptian and Sudanese courses (e.g. Welsby 2000; Hendrickx et al. 2001; Honegger 2001; Sadig 2010) and are best understood as the remains of seasonal encampments, reflecting high levels of residential mobility among herder-fisher-forager populations (cf. Butzer 1976: 14; Trigger 1983: 28; Caneva 1991; Midant-Reynes 2000: 160)- Indicators of sustained investment in cereal farming and sedentary life—such as durable architecture, heavy plant processing equipment, and high proportions of cereal grains in botanical samples—make their first appearance in the Egyptian Nile Valley only later, in the early fourth millennium BC (Midant-Reynes & Buchez 2002: 485–99; Wengrow 2006: 33, 76–82, with further references). - The overall patterning of the archaeological record in Middle-Upper Egypt suggests, instead, that low-level cereal farming on the floodplain was practiced within the context of a seasonal herding, fishing and foraging economy.- Recent discoveries at the Neolithic cemetery of el-Barga, in the Kerma region of northern Sudan, raise the further possibility that this ritual-territorial system, and its sophisticated modes of body decoration, extend back in time beyond the fifth millennium BC - Shared features of Neolithic burial across the Nile Valley (aka aspect of cultural uniformity): > Treatment and ornamentation of the corpse (see text and below) > Deposition of functionally similar artefacts within graves (see text and below) - Throughout the Nile Valley, and into the neighbouring deserts, treatments of the body in death became remarkably uniform in this period I will continue on later with more about the main aspect of this article, the shared cultural horizon between the Sudanese Nile Valley (later Nubia), the Egyptian Nile Valley, and the neighboring deserts (Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah) which later on gave birth the Ancient Egyptian civilization. The important point for us is that it's another recent study clearly showing an African origins for the Ancient Egyptian civilization. This cultural horizon is part of the indigenous transition of African people from their common origin in Eastern Africa, to the Wavy line pottery green Sahara culture extending across the African Saharan belt for about 3000 years, to the Ancient Egyptian civilization confined along the Nile Valley (forced to become more territorial due to lack of land, adopt agriculture (to survive, helped by the Nile flood irrigation), and laying the foundation for state formation).
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Apr 16, 2014 11:03:54 GMT -5
DOWNLOAD LINK (online view too) Main aspects (citation in bold): - The African origins of Egyptian civilisation lie in an important cultural horizon, the ‘primary pastoral community’, which emerged in both the Egyptian and Sudanese parts of the Nile Valley in the fifth millennium BC.- The aim of the present article is to define an important horizon of cultural change, belonging to the fifth millennium BC, linking Egypt’s early development firmly to that of its southern neighbours in Nubia and central Sudan. - This cultural horizon is situated between the green Sahara (early-mid holocene) period (Wavy Line pottery culture) and Badarian/Naqada period. All in the 5th Millennium BC. The Sahara was in the process of desertification. Most population were still mobile but maintained a certain cultural uniformity across the Nile and surrounding desert areas (Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah, Kharthoum, etc). - ...the characteristic features of the ‘primary pastoral community’ may appear slightly earlier in the Sudanese than in the Egyptian part of the valley, suggesting a possible spread from south to north during the course of the fifth millennium. - Neolithic of the Nile Valley constitutes a cultural phenomenon of impressive coherence, scale and duration. - It is during this period [edit:5th Millennium BC] that burial grounds of varying size—but rarely exceeding a hundred individuals within a single cemetery—become a widely visible feature in the archaeological record of this region. - ...the sites have a broadly similar character along both its Egyptian and Sudanese courses - These developments are echoed in the changing location of herding and fishing camps along the margins of the floodplain. Seasonally occupied sites of this kind constitute our main evidence for the nature of human habitation along the Nile Valley during the fifth millennium BC. Comprising loose configurations of post-holes, dung deposits, hearths and thin ash-middens, the sites have a broadly similar character along both its Egyptian and Sudanese courses (e.g. Welsby 2000; Hendrickx et al. 2001; Honegger 2001; Sadig 2010) and are best understood as the remains of seasonal encampments, reflecting high levels of residential mobility among herder-fisher-forager populations (cf. Butzer 1976: 14; Trigger 1983: 28; Caneva 1991; Midant-Reynes 2000: 160)- Indicators of sustained investment in cereal farming and sedentary life—such as durable architecture, heavy plant processing equipment, and high proportions of cereal grains in botanical samples—make their first appearance in the Egyptian Nile Valley only later, in the early fourth millennium BC (Midant-Reynes & Buchez 2002: 485–99; Wengrow 2006: 33, 76–82, with further references). - The overall patterning of the archaeological record in Middle-Upper Egypt suggests, instead, that low-level cereal farming on the floodplain was practiced within the context of a seasonal herding, fishing and foraging economy.- Recent discoveries at the Neolithic cemetery of el-Barga, in the Kerma region of northern Sudan, raise the further possibility that this ritual-territorial system, and its sophisticated modes of body decoration, extend back in time beyond the fifth millennium BC - Shared features of Neolithic burial across the Nile Valley (aka aspect of cultural uniformity): > Treatment and ornamentation of the corpse (see text and below) > Deposition of functionally similar artefacts within graves (see text and below) - Throughout the Nile Valley, and into the neighbouring deserts, treatments of the body in death became remarkably uniform in this period I will continue on later with more about the main aspect of this article, the shared cultural horizon between the Sudanese Nile Valley (later Nubia), the Egyptian Nile Valley, and the neighboring deserts (Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah) which later on gave birth the Ancient Egyptian civilization. The important point for us is that it's another recent study clearly showing an African origins for the Ancient Egyptian civilization. This cultural horizon is part of the indigenous transition of African people from their common origin in Eastern Africa, to the Wavy line pottery green Sahara culture extending across the African Saharan belt for about 3000 years, to the Ancient Egyptian civilization confined along the Nile Valley (forced to become more territorial due to lack of land, adopt agriculture (to survive, helped by the Nile flood irrigation), and laying the foundation for state formation). It's nice to see recent scholarship confirming what we've known all along and been discussing here. When I was in school the idea of Egypt as a cocoon cut isolated by desert on all sides was the prevailing theory. Of course we saw connections with other cultures on the continent simply because we took the time to look in those directions, where as others assumed there was no reason to look south. Even today there are aspects of Egyptian culture that can't be explained or understood unless you look to the rest of the continent. There are certain cultural practices that are African in origin and have spread to Western Asia by way of contact with Egypt. Everyone always thinks in terms of outside practices coming into Egypt, but never taking into consideration how much more was given by Africa by way of Egypt. Let's see how long it takes for this information to hit the mainstream media.
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 16, 2014 15:42:41 GMT -5
This brings me refreshment, In my opinion it's interesting that all of this comes out after Zahi Hawass was removed as Cairo's Minister of Antiquity. This is the era we'll witness the uncloaking decades of blatant bias and avoidance, but I notice all these findings for the archaeological field, are not as covered by the media like they used to. The lack of indulgence in new archaeological findings are recognisable. (off topic)Yet the Film Gods of Egypt still has a glamorized Hollywood casting, I doubt the western perception of Ancient Egypt will ever change no matter how much we prove it. By the way, if it comes to it, I won't be surprised if they start to classify Sudanese people as dark-skinned caucasians. LOL am I wrong??
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 16, 2014 15:52:36 GMT -5
It's nice to see recent scholarship confirming what we've known all along and been discussing here. When I was in school the idea of Egypt as a cocoon cut isolated by desert on all sides was the prevailing theory. Of course we saw connections with other cultures on the continent simply because we took the time to look in those directions, where as others assumed there was no reason to look south. Even today there are aspects of Egyptian culture that can't be explained or understood unless you look to the rest of the continent. There are certain cultural practices that are African in origin and have spread to Western Asia by way of contact with Egypt. Everyone always thinks in terms of outside practices coming into Egypt, but never taking into consideration how much more was given by Africa by way of Egypt. Let's see how long it takes for this information to hit the mainstream media. I doubt that mainstream media would ever absorb this type of data. Rarely saw any articles devoted to the dna results of the Armana family and Ramsess III Remember how on 2007 they were eating up the fraudulent data on Tutankhamen's supposed European dna, The history channel, National history, several american news channels, all ate it up like it was a NASA mission to the moon. Years later (2012) I had only found one article (on livescience) that addressed the false advertisement. What makes us think that this data would go anywhere else other than the pdf. articles we find on academic sites. Rarely visited by the mainstream public's attention.
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 16, 2014 16:50:41 GMT -5
As I started reading the beginning of the whole article, I recognised the emphasis on older observations leaning towards renewed findings on A.Egypt and how for decades this "African" link was never considered until now. Which is such a mind-blow to me that people could be so ignorant for years and now re-discover Egypt one step at a time.
It's important to know Affiliations on this article. David Wengrow, first mentioned. Professor of Comparative Archaeology in the University of Oxford. I might visit the institute if im free, i tend to pop by University of Oxford from where I live. So I'll find out about future seminars or exhibitions if necessary.
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Post by anansi on Apr 16, 2014 18:01:54 GMT -5
This idea that ancient Kmt developed in a vacuum,sprang from the defeat of Hamiticsm and master race theories in some kinda middle of the road compromise,Yes Egypt is in Africa but it stands unique both in terms of biology and culture,what they were really saying if you peel away the B/S is if "WE" can't have it "THEY" can't have it either,no where else in the world is the study of an area truncated in this manner,not in MesoAmerica , Mesopotamia,the Indus valley complex and so on,the closest to this view would be Japan which everyone knows is a crock! It's far time we start using and promoting the term Nile valley complex which include Kmt without Kmt being the only focus.
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Post by zarahan on Apr 16, 2014 21:11:05 GMT -5
rivertemz: I doubt that mainstream media would ever absorb this type of data. Rarely saw any articles devoted to the dna results of the Armana family and Ramsess III
Remember how on 2007 they were eating up the fraudulent data on Tutankhamen's supposed European dna, The history channel, National history, several american news channels, all ate it up like it was a NASA mission to the moon.
Years later (2012) I had only found one article (on livescience) that addressed the false advertisement. What makes us think that this data would go anywhere else other than the pdf. articles we find on academic sites. Rarely visited by the mainstream public's attention. Indeed. This is why it is so important to have alternative Africana sources, but sources able to hold their own in terms of any and all scholarship and hard data. There is now a substantial database in place with this knowledge- backed by that hard data and scholarship. Out there many still try the old propaganda ploy- re bogus charges of "stuff made up" by "the Afrocentrists" but it rings hollow now. That knowledge base of course still needs continual expansion and refinement, with info disseminated as widely as possible, end-running attempted media or academic, or web forum whitewashes. I looked up some Reloaded hit data and I see a lot of UK-based users looking at the site. This is a good thing. The wider the data flows out the better. ---------------------------------------- As I started reading the beginning of the whole article, I recognised the emphasis on older observations leaning towards renewed findings on A.Egypt and how for decades this "African" link was never considered until now. Which is such a mind-blow to me that people could be so ignorant for years and now re-discover Egypt one step at a time.
It's important to know Affiliations on this article. David Wengrow, first mentioned. Professor of Comparative Archaeology in the University of Oxford. I might visit the institute if im free, i tend to pop by University of Oxford from where I live. So I'll find out about future seminars or exhibitions if necessary. What we are finding out as we learn more is that the African foundations of Egypt were known by some for a long time, even in the older scholarship in the 180ss and early 1900s. In fact SOY Keita went back to read old excavation reports and showed how some of the old timers, racists though many many have been, accurately recorded that African character. Later on some field data would be "edited out" like the numerous Negro skull pattern samples being reclassified as "Mediterranean" or throwing out some African samples as "foreign" because they looked too black. In the words of Keita: "Analyses of Egyptian crania are numerous. Vercoutter (1978) notes that ancient Egyptian crania have frequently all been lumped (implicitly or explicitly) as Mediterranean, although Negroid remains are recorded in substantial numbers by many workers... "Nutter (1958), using the Penrose statistic, demonstrated that Nagada I and Badari crania, both regarded as Negroid, were almost identical and that these were most similar to the Negroid Nubian series from Kerma studied by Collett (1933). [Collett, not accepting variability, excluded "clear negro" crania found in the Kerma series from her analysis, as did Morant (1925), implying that they were foreign..." --(S. Keita (1990) Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 83:35-48) and so on.. Wengrow is an establishment guy but he is fairly balanced. He freely acknowledges the African character of Ancient Egypt. I find his article interesting for he emphasizes the African cultural drivers that helped shape ancient Egypt It was not all merely impersonal climate change and so on. This is a healthy reminder of that bigger picture. Funerary practices, body painting etc speak of a common Nile Valley-Saharan-Sudanic cultural complex. That early flood plain agriculture and foraging shows a common technical base as well. In fact flood-plain agriculture, or 'decrue' agriculture as it is sometimes known, is a well known technique in other parts of Africa. ==================================================================== Anansi says: what they were really saying if you peel away the B/S is if "WE" can't have it "THEY" can't have it either,no where else in the world is the study of an area truncated in this manner,not in MesoAmerica , Mesopotamia,the Indus valley complex and so on,the closest to this view would be Japan which everyone knows is a crock! It's far time we start using and promoting the term Nile valley complex which include Kmt without Kmt being the only focus. Indeed. I like Diop's terminology he used once I think- "the Nile Valley Basin." Thus gives a broad cultural area, extending into Ethiopia, the Sudan, the Sahara and into Egypt and even down into the East African Great Lakes zone and Chad. the broad culture area of the nile river basin Another point we should promote is the tropical zone and tropical Africans. The peoples of ancient Egypt were indigenous tropical Africans- so the conservative limb data says, and almost 20% of Egypt itself falls within that zone. People like to confine it to jungle, but the tropics includes desert, high altitude snow capped mountains, cloud forest and lowland savannah. All are African as are the people. And tropical Africans are not static- they move around. lines of the tropic zone- part of Egypt falls within
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Post by djehuti on May 2, 2014 21:26:22 GMT -5
This idea that ancient Kmt developed in a vacuum,sprang from the defeat of Hamiticsm and master race theories in some kinda middle of the road compromise, Yes Egypt is in Africa but it stands unique both in terms of biology and culture,what they were really saying if you peel away the B/S is if "WE" can't have it "THEY" can't have it either,no where else in the world is the study of an area truncated in this manner,not in MesoAmerica , Mesopotamia,the Indus valley complex and so on,the closest to this view would be Japan which everyone knows is a crock! It's far time we start using and promoting the term Nile valley complex which include Kmt without Kmt being the only focus. As I've pointed out many times before, there are actually quite a good number of Egyptologists who have long accepted and even pointed out the Egyptians' African identity and relation to other Africans. The only problem is that NOBODY HEARS ABOUT IT!! Most of the fanfare goes to other types of work that says nothing about the Egyptians' ethnic identity or origins and focuses on other things. It's the old bias coverage trick. Where the 'powers that be' just ignore it. Most of these studies of course tend to remain among experts of African ethnology and bio-anthropology studies and rarely are connected to mainstream Egyptology at large.
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Post by djehuti on May 2, 2014 21:37:49 GMT -5
Indeed. I like Diop's terminology he used once I think- "the Nile Valley Basin." Thus gives a broad cultural area, extending into Ethiopia, the Sudan, the Sahara and into Egypt and even down into the East African Great Lakes zone and Chad. the broad culture area of the nile river basin Another point we should promote is the tropical zone and tropical Africans. The peoples of ancient Egypt were indigenous tropical Africans- so the conservative limb data says, and almost 20% of Egypt itself falls within that zone. People like to confine it to jungle, but the tropics includes desert, high altitude snow capped mountains, cloud forest and lowland savannah. All are African as are the people. And tropical Africans are not static- they move around. lines of the tropic zone- part of Egypt falls withinAnd recall that DNA Tribes MLI findings show the pharaohs from at least the Amarna period having great affinity for peoples of the Great Lakes Region. I highly doubt this to be coincidence, especially since the time of Egyptologist E.A. Budge who speculated the Egyptians' linguistic ancestor to originate farther south in the Great Lakes region.
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Post by djehuti on May 2, 2014 21:48:34 GMT -5
a-ra cred. DOWNLOAD LINK (online view too) Main aspects (citation in bold): - The African origins of Egyptian civilisation lie in an important cultural horizon, the ‘primary pastoral community’, which emerged in both the Egyptian and Sudanese parts of the Nile Valley in the fifth millennium BC.- The aim of the present article is to define an important horizon of cultural change, belonging to the fifth millennium BC, linking Egypt’s early development firmly to that of its southern neighbours in Nubia and central Sudan. - This cultural horizon is situated between the green Sahara (early-mid holocene) period (Wavy Line pottery culture) and Badarian/Naqada period. All in the 5th Millennium BC. The Sahara was in the process of desertification. Most population were still mobile but maintained a certain cultural uniformity across the Nile and surrounding desert areas (Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah, Kharthoum, etc). - ...the characteristic features of the ‘primary pastoral community’ may appear slightly earlier in the Sudanese than in the Egyptian part of the valley, suggesting a possible spread from south to north during the course of the fifth millennium. - Neolithic of the Nile Valley constitutes a cultural phenomenon of impressive coherence, scale and duration. - It is during this period [edit:5th Millennium BC] that burial grounds of varying size—but rarely exceeding a hundred individuals within a single cemetery—become a widely visible feature in the archaeological record of this region. - ...the sites have a broadly similar character along both its Egyptian and Sudanese courses - These developments are echoed in the changing location of herding and fishing camps along the margins of the floodplain. Seasonally occupied sites of this kind constitute our main evidence for the nature of human habitation along the Nile Valley during the fifth millennium BC. Comprising loose configurations of post-holes, dung deposits, hearths and thin ash-middens, the sites have a broadly similar character along both its Egyptian and Sudanese courses (e.g. Welsby 2000; Hendrickx et al. 2001; Honegger 2001; Sadig 2010) and are best understood as the remains of seasonal encampments, reflecting high levels of residential mobility among herder-fisher-forager populations (cf. Butzer 1976: 14; Trigger 1983: 28; Caneva 1991; Midant-Reynes 2000: 160)- Indicators of sustained investment in cereal farming and sedentary life—such as durable architecture, heavy plant processing equipment, and high proportions of cereal grains in botanical samples—make their first appearance in the Egyptian Nile Valley only later, in the early fourth millennium BC (Midant-Reynes & Buchez 2002: 485–99; Wengrow 2006: 33, 76–82, with further references). - The overall patterning of the archaeological record in Middle-Upper Egypt suggests, instead, that low-level cereal farming on the floodplain was practiced within the context of a seasonal herding, fishing and foraging economy.- Recent discoveries at the Neolithic cemetery of el-Barga, in the Kerma region of northern Sudan, raise the further possibility that this ritual-territorial system, and its sophisticated modes of body decoration, extend back in time beyond the fifth millennium BC - Shared features of Neolithic burial across the Nile Valley (aka aspect of cultural uniformity): > Treatment and ornamentation of the corpse (see text and below) > Deposition of functionally similar artefacts within graves (see text and below) - Throughout the Nile Valley, and into the neighbouring deserts, treatments of the body in death became remarkably uniform in this period I will continue on later with more about the main aspect of this article, the shared cultural horizon between the Sudanese Nile Valley (later Nubia), the Egyptian Nile Valley, and the neighboring deserts (Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah) which later on gave birth the Ancient Egyptian civilization. The important point for us is that it's another recent study clearly showing an African origins for the Ancient Egyptian civilization. This cultural horizon is part of the indigenous transition of African people from their common origin in Eastern Africa, to the Wavy line pottery green Sahara culture extending across the African Saharan belt for about 3000 years, to the Ancient Egyptian civilization confined along the Nile Valley (forced to become more territorial due to lack of land, adopt agriculture (to survive, helped by the Nile flood irrigation), and laying the foundation for state formation). You realize that all this paper does is reaffirm what past African-archaeology experts have been saying for how many decades now?--that the cultures of Egypt represents a continuity with those of Sudan since at least the Khartoum Mesolithic if not earlier. Brandon (Truthcentric) has even reviewed this research and pointed out similarities all stemming from the Khartoum Mesolithic namely in burial practices, harpoons and fishing hooks, and iconography like Nile boats, female figures, and bearded male figures with penis-staches.
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Post by rivertemz on May 3, 2014 9:05:00 GMT -5
I just realized that upper-Egypt is actually the South of Egypt. I'm guessing Ancient Egypt mapped their co-ordinates the other way around according to how the river flowed from the south nile to the Mediterranean sea. It's like imagining the world map upside down.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 3, 2014 9:17:55 GMT -5
I just realized that upper-Egypt is actually the South of Egypt. I'm guessing Ancient Egypt mapped their co-ordinates the other way around according to how the river flowed from the south nile to the Mediterranean sea. It's like imagining the world map upside down. That's it exactly. In our modern world we orient ourselves from nort to south. In Egypt it was the other way around. Life flowed from the south. Everything that was good camr from the south. Egypt's focus for much of its history was internal and towards the interior of the continent, not the Mediterranean ot Western Asia. It wasn't till the Hyksos invasion that they began to pay any significant attention to the world outside Egypt and the continent.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 12:54:27 GMT -5
This idea that ancient Kmt developed in a vacuum,sprang from the defeat of Hamiticsm and master race theories in some kinda middle of the road compromise, Yes Egypt is in Africa but it stands unique both in terms of biology and culture,what they were really saying if you peel away the B/S is if "WE" can't have it "THEY" can't have it either,no where else in the world is the study of an area truncated in this manner,not in MesoAmerica , Mesopotamia,the Indus valley complex and so on,the closest to this view would be Japan which everyone knows is a crock! It's far time we start using and promoting the term Nile valley complex which include Kmt without Kmt being the only focus. As I've pointed out many times before, there are actually quite a good number of Egyptologists who have long accepted and even pointed out the Egyptians' African identity and relation to other Africans. The only problem is that NOBODY HEARS ABOUT IT!! Most of the fanfare goes to other types of work that says nothing about the Egyptians' ethnic identity or origins and focuses on other things. It's the old bias coverage trick. Where the 'powers that be' just ignore it. Most of these studies of course tend to remain among experts of African ethnology and bio-anthropology studies and rarely are connected to mainstream Egyptology at large. They weren't African but Egyptian. The people *obsessed* with trying to equate an "African identity" to ancient Egypt are politically motivated (pan-Africanists, black movements etc). The reality is there is no single or unified African race or population. The reason mainstream academia ignores your "African identity", is because it has nothing to do with science, but politics. And if you actually think for a moment how ludicrous an "African identity" appears... Are you going to try to impose some sort of "European identity" as well? Shall history classes now be teaching the Germanic tribes and Romans were kinsman?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 13:20:08 GMT -5
You were already refuted on this. Lower and Middle Egyptians were not tropically adapted in skin pigmentation, since they were lighter brown.
Lower Egyptians on the Mediterranean coast would have been practically indistingushable in skin colour from Cretans or peoples from the Levant. How on earth can people this light in pigmentation be adapted to the intense UV at tropical latitude?
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Post by snakepit on May 5, 2014 10:48:38 GMT -5
You were already refuted on this. Lower and Middle Egyptians were not tropically adapted in skin pigmentation, since they were lighter brown. Lower Egyptians on the Mediterranean coast would have been practically indistingushable in skin colour from Cretans or peoples from the Levant. How on earth can people this light in pigmentation be adapted to the intense UV at tropical latitude? Wrong, wrong & wrong. Indigenous people of the Levant were as tropically adapted as any of the populations in Africa back then. There are no archeological evidence to prove me wrong. Feel free to search for such evidence, but I should just say it right now that you'd be wasting your time. Secondly, being Cretan isn't a race, nor does it imply that you possess any phenotypical traits. Minoan & Etruscan civilizations were made up of tropical people, in fact, the oldest skeletons of any person discovered in Eurasia have been of African peoples, the fact is that pale people came from the east (central Asia), they had absolutely nothing to do with the early (modern/advanced) civilization of mankind.
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