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Post by zarahan on May 5, 2014 0:42:31 GMT -5
The author argues his piece below in his book- Dude, Where's My Black Studies Department? Anyone been around Black Studies Depts or students recently in Academia? Is what he is saying true more or less or exaggerated? --Have blacks been "vanishing" from college? --How come black women are doing so well on campus? --Is white racism the cause of alleged "vanishing"? If so how? --Has the end of Affirm Action killed black collegians or have available bodies merely redistributed themselves to more suitable locations with a better chance of graduating with a degree in the set time? --Are Black Studies Depts really moving towards a focus on African immigration or disaporan studies? --If there is a shift is this a bad thing? Could it be natural and inevitable to maintain growth? --Are students from Africa coming to dominate Black Studies Depts? --Any parallels in the UK on this? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dude, Where's My Black Studies Department?: The Disappearance of Black Americans from Our Universities by Cecil Brown (Author) AMAZON BLURB: Blacks have been vanishing from college campuses in the United States and reappearing in prisons, videos, and movies. Cecil Brown tackles this unwitting "disappearing act" head on, paying special attention to the situation at UC Berkeley and the University of California system generally. Brown contends that educators have ignored the importance of the oral tradition in African American upbringing, an oversight mirrored by the media. When these students take exams, their abilities are not tested. Further, university officials, administrators, professors, and students are ignoring the phenomenon of the disappearing black student – in both their admissions and hiring policies. With black studies departments shifting the focus from African American and black community interests to black immigrant issues, says Brown, the situation is becoming dire. Dude, Where’s My Black Studies Department? offers both a scorching critique and a plan for rethinking and reform of a crucial but largely unacknowledged problem in contemporary society. -------------------------- BOOK PRESS RELEASE he Disappearance of Black Americans from Our Universities By Cecil Brown Affirmative action, a policy designed to raise minority presence in U.S. universities, has become the foremost controversy surrounding college admissions. In Dude, Where’s My Black Studies Department?, author Cecil Brown argues that contrary to what most Americans believe, the representation of Blacks at universities across the country is rapidly declining. Pulling from his educational and professional experiences at the University of California, Berkeley, and the San Francisco Bay Area in general, Brown presents an enthralling account of how the collegiate and academic trends of Black marginalization found at U.C. Berkeley are representative of trends nationwide. Examining the history behind African American college admissions from the Civil Rights Movement to today, Brown examines how and why the door has gradually closed on this group from a searing, sociological perspective. With unapologetically pointed section titles like “Black Students Are Not Wanted at Cal [U.C. Berkeley]” and “White Students Are Not Taught to Argue,” the author takes a no-holds-barred look into the source of Black minority repression, saying everything the rest of America is too afraid to admit. Moreover, he examines the cultural aftermath of this academic exclusion, arguing that the disappearance of Black Studies and Black student enrollment at the university level has displaced this segment of the population into low-paying jobs, prisons, or the stereotypical realm where being Black is king—rap. Not the typical dry, scholarly material associated with academia, Dude offers that rare mix of a stern wakeup call and a hopeful plan of action to turn around this egregious, national epidemic—a book that’s perfect for both ethnic studies scholars and curious readers alike. Among issues confronted in Dude, Where’s My Black Studies Department?: -Why the number of Black students is steadily decreasing on college campuses -Why university chancellors and admissions committees aren’t doing anything about it -How Black Studies Departments have recently disappeared from universities -What the future holds for Black Studies Departments ------------------------------- SAYS one review on amazon: This review is from: Dude, Where's My Black Studies Department?: The Disappearance of Black Americans from Our Universities (Terra Nova) (Paperback) This is an important book because it critiques a glaring problem in higher education in general, and specifically in the massive University of California system. Ever since proposition 209 was passed in California, effectively outlawing affirmative action, the black student population in the UC system has dropped to absurdly small numbers. In schools like UC Berkeley, which were once centers of the Black and Civil Rights movements, Blacks are now almost invisible outside of a few courageous and well-executed protests. Along with the drop in the student population comes a hollowing-out of Black Studies departments. These departments were formed in the '60's with a mission of community outreach and action. The idea was to have at least one department in the academy that reflected and worked with the communities that the universities were geographically close to, instead of keeping the Ivory Tower locked and isolated. But since then, Black Studies departments have lost that mission; they have become much more focused on the global African Diaspora than on African Americans. Although the African Diaspora is certainly worth studying, it should not overshadow the importance of African Americans in our own society and culture. Brown discusses the cultural import of Hip-Hop and its impact on the academy. Cecil Brown discusses all this with the voice of experience: he has been in and out of the UC system for much of his life, and experienced shocking racism and exclusion from the system. ----------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by A Boy Named KING on May 5, 2014 3:53:56 GMT -5
Man Zarahan, This is serious. African Americans gotta stop with the trap cultures....Music and Sports. The great thinkers and inventers are Blacks or African Americans. The brainwashing of Rap music and all its "glorious" money, hoes, gun culture is plaguing AA's at an extremely huge way. With the ADVANCE OF YOUTUBE, TWITTER and INSTAGRAM, everyone wants to be the next "IT" person and put themselves out there so they can be noticed. BECAUSE of TWITTER, INSTAGRAM people think that actually LEARNING AND READING BOOKS is so 20th century, Just post a youtube vid and get instant fame and glory and don't teach the yutes anything but money money money. REALLY I have seen 5 YEAROLD BOYS, WITH PANTS HANGING OFF THERE ASS AND MONEY IN HANDS...they are indoctrinating them as young as possible to live the FAST LIFE and think of themselves as only TOOLS to be USED, ABUSED and then THROWN ASIDE. I view it as an desperate bid to turn African Americans into the next Native Americans, where they are a broken people without direction because everyone is out for themselves. NONE Cares for the next generation and with the system that we live in, they are trying to take any original thought, Union etc Out of Blacks. AND THE SAD THING IS Zarahan....BLACKS ARE COMPLYING TO THERE OWN DESTRUCTION. Music is a part of life and NONE CAN TELL ME THEY DON'T SEE PEOPLE complying to this walk of life that they believe EVERYTHING that these musicians are putting out. Recently I was downtown Toronto, and was listening to my Pastor debating these men about Faith, Jesus etc and one guy was angry because another street preacher said something about Bob Marley and Weed...This man felt like he was trying to take his aggression out on my Pastor and was yapping about Bob Marley, Tupac blah blah blah. This man was in his late 30's felt these 2 should be elevated because they sang about the struggle of Blacks etc. Now I don't deny that these guys were good at what they do, but to really think this man could only speak about Musicians as Heros, and could not name a Black Leader that influenced him other then music leaders troubled me. It seems WHATEVER THE MAIN POPULAR HIP HOP ARTISTS STATES, FOR BETTER OR WORSE...PEOPLE WILL "FOLLOW" THEM ANDD REPEAT WHAT THEY SAY IGNORING People that made an impact outside of music. Instead of Families instilling in the next gen, THEY CAN BE ANYTHING THEY NEED AND WANT TO BE..Parents are taking less and less roles in there children's upbringings and this is why I am saying somethings gotta change and yes I believe there is something SERIOUS GOING ON IN THE MOST INFLUENTIAL BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD THE AFRICAN AMERICANS. When they stall, WE ALL STALL. The main thing is the upkeep of libraries youth centers of learning and THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN RAISING BLACK CHILDREN. Now everyone is suspicious of each other and feel like they can't trust anyone but there closest family. so community unity goes down, youth learning from there step parents(What I call all people in black neighbourhoods) goes down, AND THE MENTALITY of these youth degrade. Really Zarahan, it's not cool to be in class and reading, when you can be on the net posting a selfie....HECK EVEN THE PRESIDENT IS POSTING SELFIES. It's "trending" all around the world and Blacks are THEE MAIN VICTIMS of this brain destroying culture of quick fame. Truss it people..THE SYSTEM KNOWS WHAT IT'S DOING...Dumb down and brainwash the leaders, and the sheep will follow. The leaders are not being the voice of concern they should be and it is hurting the community as a whole....When African Brazilians are waking up, and African American's are dropping a sleep, you know something is wrong. Why does it gotta be like that man?? I mean really conscious thinking is something all AA's Afro Brazil etc SHOULD implement to make changes for the better. The thing is though, is that Black people are not losing. They are just being stalled into the return. The system is desperate to drone all people, and what better way, then to drone the most outspoken people who have influenced all others. HOW to stop this? ? Start reading to your child, books(You know paperbacks) from they are in the cradle and be patient with this because the earlier you start...the earlier the African American Children will get it. Put a play time with your children where you actively make them know FREE AND REAL FUN...Not system fun with ipads, tablets but just board games, drawings etc. Get the Black African American childrens juices flowing and make the games directed on AA inventors, authors, civil rights etc. You know...MAKE IT FUN TO LEARN. Also talk to your neighbours and instill values in THE NEXT MANS CHILDREN. Show the children to be active in being doctors, nurses, Professors etc and make them know from young that not everyone has the ability to be a sports figure, so they should not all put there eggs in that basket...Don't ruin your childs dream at all....that's a no no. But tell them there is other avenues to be special and have a good life and money and fame is not always that healthy, or supportive. African AMerican teachers must not give up on even the most disillusioned youth but keep hammering to crack that concrete skin and soften it. Teach your child from young, to respect all there friends and don't single out none like is done in the playgrounds. BAN THE N WORD FROM THERE VOCABULARY. Feed them mind stimulating foods, more fish, nuts and beans. Start a Community Reading group. Stop the music from raising AA children and let the THINKERS(example School teachers etc) raise them with internal Love and not always external love(Clothes, Gadgets etc). Take the Children not just to sport outings, but Poetry reading, Read to achieve, Building cars, carpentry etc outings. Teach your child to LOVE THEMSELVES..this ain't happening enough, so girls grow up looking for love from men who degrade them, and boys grow up to be violent and living stereotypes. Tell the African American youth to not be afraid to BE DIFFERENT even if it means the "cool" crowd looks down on them for the time. Instill in your child the mentality to be revolutionary in walking...talking...thinking etc Tommie Shelby just stated that " When the stigmatized people are stigmatized for a long time, they then begin to BELIVE the stigmas and build it up", Self hate is killing the African American people and that and the systems obsession with jail for blacks in America, is making it difficult for the youth to find that strong role model they can support and believe in. Hence the turning to musicians who are shills for the system now and don't impart nothing but brain rot on the youth. that's why children see the gang culture as family, and the real community as outsiders. THIS is the new face of racism, that is making children even FEARFUL of learning too deeply so they can fit in with the crowd and Be as dumb as them you heard of the lesser then mentality, well here is the dumber then mentality of "Oh look at this dork, he reading a book outside of school, what a loser" So then this individual, since we are social beings and we are meant by the Eternal father to be with other people, tries desperately to fit in so he tries harder to fit in with the crowd and most times goes over board on his her obsession of being 1 with the crowd. College, University is downgraded so that fame can be uplifted...I know Zarahan that me and you ain't the only ones who are concerned about this ideology of leave the book, pick up the ball and mic and grow your brand bull ish that is going on in this life we all live in. This book(have not read it) is a start on how we can be better in the post civil rights era: ndpr.nd.edu/news/25000-we-who-are-dark-the-philosophical-foundations-of-black-solidarity/
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Post by zarahan on May 5, 2014 9:04:58 GMT -5
Great points KING and that reference is worth quoting in full. Will check out more ----------------------------------------------------------------
Tommie Shelby We Who Are Dark: The Philosophical Foundations of Black Solidarity
Tommie Shelby, We Who Are Dark: The Philosophical Foundations of Black Solidarity, Harvard University Press, 2005, 336pp, $27.95 (hbk), ISBN 0674019369. Reviewed by Bill E. Lawson, University of Memphis
What does black solidarity mean in the post-civil rights era? This is the question that Tommie Shelby attempts to answer in his provocative and insightful text. Shelby starts by correctly placing the notion of black solidarity in its historical context. Black solidarity has been advocated because of the racism blacks faced as a group in the United States. Solidarity in this context should be understood to mean black Americans uniting to fight racist restrictions on their personal and collective existence. Black solidarity has been the foundation of what has been called Black Nationalism. Starting with Martin Delany, who many consider the father of Black Nationalism, Shelby explores the manner in which the quest for black solidarity has been pursued from Delany to the present. Shelby rightly notes that black solidarity has been and continues to be seen as the solution to the problem of dealing with racism and white supremacy. It is his contention that the position that underlies the black nationalistic notion of solidarity is that of a black collective identity. In this work, Shelby critiques Black Nationalism based on a black collective identity thesis as the basis for black solidarity. Shelby thinks that calls for a collective black identity are doomed to fail in the post-civil rights era. There is a diversity of political and social opinions in the black community. This diversity gives rise to many differing ways of being black. The appeal to collective identity masks these differences. While there are many blacks committed to ending racism and social injustice, they do not think that there is one black identity. Shelby thinks that a more reasonable approach comes out of what he calls pragmatic nationalism. Pragmatic nationalism respects the diversity of lifestyles and ways of being black in the American social experience. If one draws just on the impact of racism on the lives of all blacks this would be a rallying point for black solidarity. Shelby contends that black and non-blacks can support pragmatic nationalism because it presents none of the problems of solidarity based on "collective identity." In this manner, those persons committed to ending racism and working for social justice can join with other likeminded persons without feeling that they must adhere to some view of collective identity.
Important to Shelby's argument about the pitfall of building solidarity on some form of collective identity is his belief that solidarity built on a collective-identity thesis is viewed and can be viewed as illiberal. Indeed Shelby goes to lengths to show how persons who push collective-identity conceptions of black solidarity often disrespect the autonomy of blacks who may think along different ideological lines about being black. Thus the collective-identity view is often illiberal. What he wants to do is to present a version of nationalism that respects the liberal tradition. Blacks of all political persuasions could support collective programs to end racism. Thus, Shelby is careful not to claim that those black persons who want to see themselves as "raceless" or "raced" cannot do so. African Americans should be free to choose how they self-identify. They should also be permitted to choose how they view their relationship with other African Americans and the larger non-African American community. In this manner Shelby sidesteps the debate of persons such as Appiah and Outlaw about the value of retaining the concept of race. For Shelby whether one sees oneself as raced or not does not matter, if one is committed to racial equality and social justice. Underlying Shelby's position is the, possibly true, contention that most persons deemed African Americans in the United States do not want their own country either in the United States or outside of its land mass. Since the goal is living a productive and safe life within the United States, the ultimate goal should be making race play less of a role in the lives of African Americans.
At issue here is the debate over what exactly is the role of race in the lives of African American at this time in United States history. One could argue that Shelby thinks that at this time many of the racial barriers that prevented African American from enjoying freedom in the US have been removed. The current political and social climate calls for a rethinking of the old political strategies to fight racism. While a "collective-identity" conception of blackness may have been justified prior to the passage of civil rights legislation, the current social and political climate requires a reassessment of the "collective-identity" understanding of black solidarity as a means for racial unity. In the post-civil rights era, an appeal to a "collective-identity" conception of blackness does more to divide blacks than unite them. Shelby is correct in that there are multiple ways of identifying as black and that those persons who push a "collective-identity" conception of blackness often alienate blacks who are honestly committed to black liberation. These alienated blacks see the "collective-identity" understanding of blackness as being too confining.
Shelby thinks that without the appeal to collective identity it will be easier to form a workable coalition of the various social and political ideologies that exist in the larger black social space. I hesitate to use the term "black community" at this point because, given what Shelby seems to argue, the ideal of a black community may only make sense as a claim about a group of people who possibly share some of the same fears about being identified and treated as black. This understanding of the impact of race on the lives of persons deemed black may be all that is needed for solidarity. Shelby seems to think that ending racial animosity is something all blacks could or can support. Additionally, Shelby claims that removing the weight of "collective identity" allows sympathetic non-blacks to work closely with likeminded blacks to fight racism and social injustice. Whites who see the problem of racism and social injustice can join with blacks. Since race plays no other role than as a marker for being a possible victim of racial discrimination, then any concerned person can join with blacks to fight for social justice. There are non-blacks who want to work with "blacks" to fight racism. If this is true then, what is the "black" in black solidarity? Pragmatic nationalism, it seems, is colorblind?
In this regard, there appears to be an acceptance of the doctrine of colorblind liberalism in Shelby's work. This is the position that in a liberal democratic state, such as the United States, race should not be a factor in the life chances of any person. This view cuts both ways: whites should not be advantaged by race and blacks should not be disadvantaged because of race. The goal of public policy should be to eliminate any bias based on race. Our public policies should be colorblind. In this manner the life chances of any person regardless of color would be ensured. Shelby would seemingly agree with what some take to be the moral vision of colorblind liberalism. The vision is not that race disappears as a social category, but that its presence makes no difference in a person's life chances. Shelby's commitment to colorblind liberalism can be seen in his vision of what the end of the political struggle seems to be. The goal according to Shelby is to help reform the legal and political system so that racism and racial discrimination do not impact negatively on the life chances of African Americans. All blacks regardless of their political views appreciate the value of ending racist social practices. It has to be admitted that there are some non-blacks committed to ending racist practices. The problem then is forming both workable interracial and intra-racial coalitions. According to Shelby, pragmatic nationalism would help solve this problem.
Whether African Americans find Shelby's argument for pragmatic nationalism persuasive will turn on how many of them view the current social and political conditions of the masses of black Americans. It is important to remember that the "black nationalism" tradition did not arise in a historical vacuum. Delany and other "black nationalists" came to this position after reflecting on how blacks were being treated in the United States. It is Shelby's reading of the contemporary state of black America and the role that race now plays that is the fulcrum of his book. An understanding of how blacks are now being treated still guides the thinking of those persons wanting to address the social ills still afflicting blacks in America.
In this regard, an interesting litmus test for Shelby is "The Covenant with Black America." It is a proposal for blacks of all social and political persuasions to work to resolve some of the pressing issues in "black" America. Can an appeal to pragmatic nationalism draw blacks of all political persuasions to this cause? I am not sure. Why? For all of its appeal to diversity, the Covenant still has some strong attachments to the collective-identity view of blacks in the United States. As Shelby notes, the black nationalistic traditions still hold adherents in the "black" community. The political goals have been expressed as blacks controlling their own landmass, controlling their communities within the United States, or controlling the basic institutions that impact on the life of the black community. Since blacks are not leaving the United States, they should at least have control over the institutions in the United States that impact their lives. These institutions would be schools, police protection, and other social institutions. If the goal is to have some black control over the basic institutions that impact their lives, then pragmatic nationalism with its emphasis on interracial membership will not work for many blacks. There is still a feeling among many blacks that blacks have to work out these racial problems by themselves with modest support from non-blacks. Blacks have to solve the problems of the black community "in house." It might be argued that Shelby wants to open "our house" to those who have been the oppressor. It will be argued that blacks cannot with reason do this. Nonetheless, the value of Professor Shelby's book is that it forces us to rethink many of our cherished beliefs about black solidarity and collective identity. What he makes clear is that the problem of racism and white supremacy are not solely the problems of blacks.
In sum, this is a provocative and insightful book. Professor Shelby has done a great service to both philosophical and historical academic studies. He has in clear and lucid terms presented the basic assumptions underlying Black Nationalism, the collective-identity thesis, and interracial and intra-racial coalitions in the fight for social justice. What makes this book worth reading beyond the scholarship and its scholarly insights is Professor Shelby's attempt to move Black Nationalism into the post-civil rights era.
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Post by rivertemz on May 5, 2014 9:21:09 GMT -5
We don't have Affirmative Action in the UK. It seems that it's not required. since we are not as effected by systemic racism as African Americans are in the US in terms of decades of a socially, academically and economically disenfranchised situation. Even though we go through a serious form of racial prejudice, it's hasn't affected the cultural structure in most African communities, when it comes to academics (which we take as seriously as Asians). When it comes to employability we do notice the racial prejudice as much as it's recognised in the US.
So on the other-hand, it's more to do with the class structure. In terms of student's household income, students from a lower income household are more entitled to financial grants and scholarships than others.
But when it comes to handling academic statistics when comparing achievement between different race/ethnicities, there is a HUGE problem in the UK. A very racist concept is played out, I'll explain soon..
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Post by karem on May 5, 2014 14:28:30 GMT -5
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Post by rivertemz on May 5, 2014 19:14:09 GMT -5
I watched the first 5 mins and ill find time to watch the rest, could you tell me overall what this seminar was about?
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Post by rivertemz on May 5, 2014 19:17:46 GMT -5
Did you notice how black african students were all put in the same catergory as a continent. Whilst indian and bangaladeshi students given their own catergory? That's the racist system at work. They know that west Africans are achieving higher results in school than the indian students, but overrule this seminar was interesting. So yes this link defines most of how it's like in the UK
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Post by zarahan on May 5, 2014 22:05:03 GMT -5
Great link karem and rivertemz- will have to check out the whole video. Looking at part of it, it seems the system is a master at delay, obfuscation, and bureaucratic deception and "spin." David Gilborn breaks things down nicely. Good to have a UK perspective. So the West African students are posting better results in school? Any written reports on this?
Are there many Black Studies programs at collegiate level in some universities, or are things lumped into a more general African studies?
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Post by A Boy Named KING on May 6, 2014 3:56:17 GMT -5
Since we are talking about the British, This article breaksdown, the problem with Britian, is the ETHNIC WHITES: Britain has an ethnic problem: the English Doug Saunders Let’s face it: Britain has an ethnic problem. Its patchwork of peoples, once the envy of the world, has become frayed, its harmony devolving into anger and xenophobia. And, we should be honest, the problem is rooted in one ethnic group – one large but troubled people who are failing to integrate into modern postindustrial society. While some of its more ambitious members have found success in politics and business, this community is falling behind educationally and economically as a whole, self-segregating into ethnic enclaves, becoming increasingly prone to violence, rioting and substance abuse. More troubling, in recent years they have begun to vote for ethnic extremist parties that threaten to undermine basic British values. Who are these people? The English. Once a tolerant, welcoming people who thrived in scholarship and commerce, they have become a drag on British society. They have become Britain’s problem group. Government figures show that “white English” students are now outperformed in school results by British children of Bangladeshi, Ghanaian, Indian, Sierra Leonean, Chinese, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese and Nigerian ancestry.
This was not always the case: A decade ago, it seemed as if Britons with darker skin colours were trapped behind the English in education and income. But it’s all changed: In 2009, Bangladeshi-British kids soared ahead of the English; black African kids caught up with them in 2010 and Pakistani kids are on course to pass them this year. Unlike the island’s other ethnic groups, low-income members of the English community seem determined to stay poor and uneducated. Britain’s Department of Education has published figures listing how many low-income children achieved passing grades in secondary school in 2012. Sixty per cent of black African and Bangladeshi students did, about half of Pakistanis and black Caribbean kids did, 40 per cent of Indians did – and only three in 10 “white British” (mainly English) kids did, putting them at the bottom of the list. On top of this – or perhaps because of it – the English are now self-segregating into isolated, and sometimes impoverished, uni-ethnic enclaves. Some 600,000 white English people moved out of the mixed-ethnicity districts of London between 2001 and 2011 for less integrated areas, while other ethnic groups moved into areas of higher diversity. The English are more prone than other groups to drop out of school early, to live on welfare benefits, to become unhealthy and to engage in crime. In measures of alcohol abuse, “trouble with police while drinking” and lawbreaking, they outrank any other ethnic group in Britain (except the Irish). Riots led by ethnic English youths tore the cities of England apart in the summer of 2011, while ethnic Turks, Bangladeshis and Africans guarded shops and became heroes for rescuing people from the riots. There is a constant sense that the poor English are about to break out in violence. This was one thing when it was all kept inside the English community, but it is now beginning to affect Britain’s future. Growing numbers of the ethnic English are casting votes for the extremist UK Independence Party, which seeks to end immigration and pull Britain out of Europe. The party seems poised to capture a third of Britain’s seats in next year’s European Parliament elections. They are unlikely to win seats in national elections – they tend to spoil the Tory vote – but their threat has caused the English community’s traditional party, the Conservatives, to become less moderate. Prime Minister David Cameron has recently taken a weird turn into anti-immigrant nastiness, denying benefits to newcomers (even though immigrants rarely claim unemployment benefits) and buying into an implausible media theory about Romanians and Bulgarians flooding the country, all to appease the ethnic English. These xenophobic attitudes are harming Britain’s economy. As the Economist recently wrote, the Prime Minister’s pledge to drive immigration below 100,000 a year has done serious damage – steep visa fees, quotas and restrictions have driven away foreign students, educated elites and investors, while many British companies are moving their operations overseas, where it’s easier to hire the best workers. And it is causing a fiscal crisis – according to the Office for Budget Responsibility, immigration rates will need to double if national debt is to be lowered to half its level (and UKIP’s immigration freeze would double public debt). Don’t get me wrong about the English. I know quite a few English people who are rather decent (including my dear old Mum and Gran), and their culture is not without its charm. But they need help. Ethnic English numbers are growing, and if they’re allowed to gain any more influence in British society, they could be trouble. www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/britain-has-an-ethnic-problem-the-english/article15792740/
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Post by anansi on May 6, 2014 6:33:27 GMT -5
I think it would be worth while to take a look at the original reasons for having a Black studies dept which later includes other ethnic studies and even gender studies,if and when these various disciplines became part of the general system then it may seemed redundant however given the political climate in regards to white wash certain aspect of the past by Neo con political leaders I can say that would be premature part of the reasons is in this thread The Legacy of White Christian Chauvanism in Arizon Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/293/legacy-white-christian-chauvanism-arizon#ixzz30vywQOAuklik me.^
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Post by zarahan on May 6, 2014 8:19:46 GMT -5
Since we are talking about the British, This article breaksdown, the problem with Britian, is the ETHNIC WHITES: Britain has an ethnic problem: the English Doug Saunders Let’s face it: Britain has an ethnic problem. Its patchwork of peoples, once the envy of the world, has become frayed, its harmony devolving into anger and xenophobia. And, we should be honest, the problem is rooted in one ethnic group – one large but troubled people who are failing to integrate into modern postindustrial society. While some of its more ambitious members have found success in politics and business, this community is falling behind educationally and economically as a whole, self-segregating into ethnic enclaves, becoming increasingly prone to violence, rioting and substance abuse. More troubling, in recent years they have begun to vote for ethnic extremist parties that threaten to undermine basic British values. Who are these people? The English. Once a tolerant, welcoming people who thrived in scholarship and commerce, they have become a drag on British society. They have become Britain’s problem group. Government figures show that “white English” students are now outperformed in school results by British children of Bangladeshi, Ghanaian, Indian, Sierra Leonean, Chinese, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese and Nigerian ancestry.
This was not always the case: A decade ago, it seemed as if Britons with darker skin colours were trapped behind the English in education and income. But it’s all changed: In 2009, Bangladeshi-British kids soared ahead of the English; black African kids caught up with them in 2010 and Pakistani kids are on course to pass them this year. Unlike the island’s other ethnic groups, low-income members of the English community seem determined to stay poor and uneducated. Britain’s Department of Education has published figures listing how many low-income children achieved passing grades in secondary school in 2012. Sixty per cent of black African and Bangladeshi students did, about half of Pakistanis and black Caribbean kids did, 40 per cent of Indians did – and only three in 10 “white British” (mainly English) kids did, putting them at the bottom of the list. On top of this – or perhaps because of it – the English are now self-segregating into isolated, and sometimes impoverished, uni-ethnic enclaves. Some 600,000 white English people moved out of the mixed-ethnicity districts of London between 2001 and 2011 for less integrated areas, while other ethnic groups moved into areas of higher diversity. The English are more prone than other groups to drop out of school early, to live on welfare benefits, to become unhealthy and to engage in crime. In measures of alcohol abuse, “trouble with police while drinking” and lawbreaking, they outrank any other ethnic group in Britain (except the Irish). Riots led by ethnic English youths tore the cities of England apart in the summer of 2011, while ethnic Turks, Bangladeshis and Africans guarded shops and became heroes for rescuing people from the riots. There is a constant sense that the poor English are about to break out in violence. This was one thing when it was all kept inside the English community, but it is now beginning to affect Britain’s future. Growing numbers of the ethnic English are casting votes for the extremist UK Independence Party, which seeks to end immigration and pull Britain out of Europe. The party seems poised to capture a third of Britain’s seats in next year’s European Parliament elections. They are unlikely to win seats in national elections – they tend to spoil the Tory vote – but their threat has caused the English community’s traditional party, the Conservatives, to become less moderate. Prime Minister David Cameron has recently taken a weird turn into anti-immigrant nastiness, denying benefits to newcomers (even though immigrants rarely claim unemployment benefits) and buying into an implausible media theory about Romanians and Bulgarians flooding the country, all to appease the ethnic English. These xenophobic attitudes are harming Britain’s economy. As the Economist recently wrote, the Prime Minister’s pledge to drive immigration below 100,000 a year has done serious damage – steep visa fees, quotas and restrictions have driven away foreign students, educated elites and investors, while many British companies are moving their operations overseas, where it’s easier to hire the best workers. And it is causing a fiscal crisis – according to the Office for Budget Responsibility, immigration rates will need to double if national debt is to be lowered to half its level (and UKIP’s immigration freeze would double public debt). Don’t get me wrong about the English. I know quite a few English people who are rather decent (including my dear old Mum and Gran), and their culture is not without its charm. But they need help. Ethnic English numbers are growing, and if they’re allowed to gain any more influence in British society, they could be trouble. www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/britain-has-an-ethnic-problem-the-english/article15792740/KING, great info! I like how the script has flipped- its significant segments of the white ENGLISH that are the problem as far as school, work behavior etc. If this trend of higher minority performance and socio-economics continues it is a model for the future. Far from black folk "disappearing" from the educational system as the OP article writer suggests, the UK example shows what can be done to the contrary. This tracks with similar patterns in some US schools of the past. All Black Dunbar High School in Wash DC up until its demise in the 1960s posted test scores equal or above that of surrounding white schools for decades, as well as equal or better metrics in attendance, discipline etc etc. (Sowell 1994) Its all doable, has been done, and is being done- if people have the will to do it. They have become Britain’s problem group. Government figures show that “white English” students are now outperformed in school results by British children of Bangladeshi, Ghanaian, Indian, Sierra Leonean, Chinese, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese and Nigerian ancestry.
The English are more prone than other groups to drop out of school early, to live on welfare benefits, to become unhealthy and to engage in crime. In measures of alcohol abuse, “trouble with police while drinking” and lawbreaking, they outrank any other ethnic group in Britain (except the Irish). Riots led by ethnic English youths tore the cities of England apart in the summer of 2011, while ethnic Turks, Bangladeshis and Africans guarded shops and became heroes for rescuing people from the riots. There is a constant sense that the poor English are about to break out in violence. [/b] ^^Thanks again KING for bringing this to our attention. Everybody likes to beat up on the brothas, but this info shows that so-called or self-styled paler "role models" and unimpressive on numerous counts.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 10:43:10 GMT -5
Ok. Ask yourself why that is, and not white scots or white welsh. The simple reason white english have dropped in performance is the fact they are neglected. England is a melting pot to the extent white english are officially a minority in London. Scotland and Wales aren't like this, and people apparently even joke about how you cannot find a single dark face in Scotland.
A comment left on one of the articles even by a black person:
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Post by A Boy Named KING on May 6, 2014 21:15:38 GMT -5
Lets take a good look at White Scotland and it's pristine living which is better then Britain and the reason is because they have little minorites: Charities claim Scotland faces 'humanitarian crisis' caused by poverty A campaign aimed at highlighting the "humanitarian crisis" caused by poverty in Scotland has been launched by a group of charities. The Scotland's Outlook campaign claimed hundreds of thousands of people were being "battered" by welfare reforms, stagnant wages, rising utility bills, higher living costs and job insecurity. And it said many families were having to use food banks to feed themselves. It called on people across the country to "join the fight against poverty". The campaign is being run jointly by Macmillan, Shelter Scotland, Oxfam, Alzheimer Scotland, Children's Hospice Association Scotland (CHAS), Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), the Poverty Alliance and the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO). Continue reading the main story “ Start Quote With nearly a million people in Scotland living in poverty, we have a humanitarian crisis on our hands and we need everyone's help to tackle it” End Quote Martin Sime SCVO It claimed more than 870,000 people in Scotland were living in poverty, with a fifth of children in Scotland living below the breadline and 23,000 people having turned to food banks in the past six months. Martin Sime, chief executive of the SCVO, said: "With nearly a million people in Scotland living in poverty, we have a humanitarian crisis on our hands and we need everyone's help to tackle it. "Thousands of people are turning to food banks, struggling to heat their homes, and to clothe themselves and their children. It's not right. "We want people to wake up to the poverty storm that's engulfing Scotland and get active in the fight against it." Graeme Brown, director of Shelter Scotland, said: "People across Scotland are being battered by welfare reforms, stagnant wages, rising utility bills, higher living costs and job insecurity. "Set against the background of 155,100 households on council waiting lists and nearly 40,000 homelessness applications last year, it is clear that much more needs to be done to combat the root causes of poverty if we are to improve the prospects for everyone living in Scotland." Foodbank Charities said many families were using foodbanks "We see and hear the misery poverty causes every day. Not only does it have a devastating impact on home life, it has long-term detrimental effects on people's health, wellbeing and life chances - especially children." The campaign said a key issue was easing the financial burden of childcare in order to make it easier for parents to work. Hazel, a lone parent living in Fife, said: "I did not want to be a single mum on benefits, like you see on the news. Those mums were portrayed as lazy scroungers and I definitely was not like that. "I really wanted to work but every way I turned I was hit with barriers and this made accessing employment so difficult. Childcare was so expensive and not readily available in my area." She added: "I think there needs to be more support for lone parents accessing employment but from an early stage. Childcare needs to be made a priority in all areas, and it should be more affordable and easily accessible." The campaign will use social media in an attempt to public awareness of the work they are doing to combat poverty across the country. In a report published last month, the Joseph Rowntree foundation said child poverty in Scotland had fallen at about twice the rate of England over the past 10 years. And official government statistics released in June said the number of people living in relative poverty had fallen slightly, from 780,000 in 2010/11 to 710,000 the following year. But the figures from Scotland's chief statistician also showed there had been a fall in the average household earnings in Scotland, from £461 per week to £436, over the same period. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-26424477
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Post by rivertemz on May 8, 2014 14:54:25 GMT -5
There's something strange about all this data when at the same time I'm reading articles that recognises African British students achieving higher grades than White British students; Source- The Gaurdian 2013- Same goes for how many young adults from minority groups including African Students attending College, are increasing every year. The same requirements, more competitive every year. Applying in all graduate courses. I remember going to sixth form (equivalent to last two years of high school) the top students in my classes were either Indians or Africans.
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Post by rivertemz on May 8, 2014 15:00:19 GMT -5
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