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Post by rivertemz on May 15, 2014 8:51:40 GMT -5
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Post by rivertemz on May 15, 2014 9:08:46 GMT -5
The author to this page article, Andrew Crowe, associates with the Professors involved in the study of Ancient Egypt and Nubia; Acknowledging; ( X) Dr Ossama A.W. Meguid, Director of the Nubian Museum in Aswan, Egypt. Workshop-1 is also a very interesting seminar with Dr. Meguid addressing the racial concept within the realm of Egyptology .
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Post by zarahan on May 15, 2014 18:13:26 GMT -5
Great links! Keita's Cambridge video was linked to some time ago on ES, but never knew these other speakers were around. Rounds out the entire presentation.
Based on black folks you know in the UK or their writings, who are interested in Kemet, how do they react to the statement- "Blacks should not study Kemet as they have nothing to do with Egypt. They should stick to West Africa, their true heritage?"
You surely must have some types who don't want blacks involved in the conversation, who make this kind of statement- maybe subtly but thatis the bottom line? What about Arab- Egyptian types who make roughly the same argument- blacks should "not be involved" in this area? In America there are such types - I was just wondering about the UK side and the responses you see from blacks about it? I realize of course that you can't cover the whole range of black opinion in the UK- just wondering about some cross-Atlantic comparisons.. in terms of what you have seen/heard of, etc..
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 15, 2014 19:27:21 GMT -5
Great links! Keita's Cambridge video was linked to some time ago on ES, but never knew these other speakers were around. Rounds out the entire presentation. Based on black folks you know in the UK or their writings, who are interested in Kemet, how do they react to the statement- "Blacks should not study Kemet as they have nothing to do with Egypt. They should stick to West Africa, their true heritage?" You surely must have some types who don't want blacks involved in the conversation, who make this kind of statement- maybe subtly but thatis the bottom line? What about Arab- Egyptian types who make roughly the same argument- blacks should "not be involved" in this area? In America there are such types - I was just wondering about the UK side and the responses you see from blacks about it? I realize of course that you can't cover the whole range of black opinion in the UK- just wondering about some cross-Atlantic comparisons.. in terms of what you have seen/heard of, etc.. To me, that statement makes as much sense as saying Anglo Saxons shouldn't study Greece as they had nothing to do with it. They should stick to England, their true heritage. As Africans and African descendants, we have the right to study all of Africa's cultures without exception as Europeans feel the right to study cultures and histories of other European nations. For example, Russians didn't have a drop of French blood in their veins, but that didn't stop them from speaking French at court, adopting French architecture and dancing Ballet. As for any Modern Egyptians who hold the same opinions, I'd just remind them that they are not really Arabs, but Africans who had the Arabic language imposed on them. There are very few in Egypt who can lay claim to being Arabs in the true sense. My answer to them is that if they want to play that game, fine. Then they should give up western dress, listening to western music and most of all western education. If they're Christian, they should resign themselves to studying scripture in a monestary, and Muslims should only concern themselves with what's taught in the madrasas. No one group of people has exclusive rights to studying any history or culture. Had Europeans taken that attitude, Egyptians today would have no knowledge of their past whatsoever. Lets face it, neither Chhristians, nor Muslims wanted anything to do with pharaonic history and culture because those people were devil worshiping heathens burning in hell. They need to just get over themselves and join the 21st century.
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Post by anansi on May 18, 2014 22:17:42 GMT -5
Naaw the argument over if ancient Kmt was African biological and cultural is soo over that folks might as well state the obvious.
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Post by rivertemz on May 19, 2014 11:19:56 GMT -5
Great links! Keita's Cambridge video was linked to some time ago on ES, but never knew these other speakers were around. Rounds out the entire presentation. Based on black folks you know in the UK or their writings, who are interested in Kemet, how do they react to the statement- "Blacks should not study Kemet as they have nothing to do with Egypt. They should stick to West Africa, their true heritage?" You surely must have some types who don't want blacks involved in the conversation, who make this kind of statement- maybe subtly but thatis the bottom line? What about Arab- Egyptian types who make roughly the same argument- blacks should "not be involved" in this area? In America there are such types - I was just wondering about the UK side and the responses you see from blacks about it? I realize of course that you can't cover the whole range of black opinion in the UK- just wondering about some cross-Atlantic comparisons.. in terms of what you have seen/heard of, etc.. Good point made, so far I haven't personally come across a conversation with a White person or an Arab-Egyptian giving a bias on the controversy over race with kemet. I normally end up in the position of informing those who do not know much about Ancient Egypt.When it comes to global historical context, most British people I come across tend to grasp only particular European empires such as their own; (British empire), the Roman Empire, The Catholic super-powers in the 1600s; France and Spain, communist Russia, Greek artifacts and studies- (greek classics). So I rarely get insight on what the common folk think about Ancient Egypt, it almost seems distantly-interesting to the public. Whilst of course, the Scholars and those in the academic field are more exposed to the study of past civilisations in places outside Europe, I have ended up debating a White male scientist (on an article page with a facebook comment section) that mentioned being an author of a book about linking the stonehenge in England and the ancient civilisation in Ireland to Ancient Egypt rather than African, that there is more evidence proven the Ancient Egyptians migrated to the British isles. (which of course sounds like bullocks ), so yes there is a percentage of those who are plugged to the Eurocentric idea of kemet. But from the looks of it, they are a small percentage that are obsessed with Ancient Egypt, of course including those that have studied Egyptology for generations in Britain, Germany and other countries in Europe, that would completely refuse to believe Kemet is of African origin.I've visited the British Museum over 10 times last year, and this is the image I'm invited to in the Ancient Egyptian section of the building every time I view it;It's the largest artefact in the whole floor. It kind of leaves a stigma in my mind that separates superior Kemet with savage Nubia, eventhough they've had a love/hate as well as a conquer and rule relationship, I am completely convinced that the visitors of the Museum would receive the same concept from this artefact from their small knowledge of Ancient Egypt.
Whilst I've never come across this artefact in any of the Historical Museums in the UK;So overall it leaves me thinking there's a subtleness in bias of opinion on the race of Ancient Egypt, it hasn't come up in discussion with a white or arab friend for me yet, but when it does, I would be prepared as I should be on defending African kemet over Eurocentric ideologies.As long as the study of Egyptology prevails in the academic field (which is in most origins with the UK from the late 19th and early 20th century) it would always be up for discussion and controversy in the UK when nessacary, but in a very subtle way. Since there is a lack of friction between African-related scholars and racially motivated White scholars here in the UK,(from what I'm aware of personally so far).My limit to this is that I'm not really aware of what Arab Egyptians in the UK take on African Kemet, I'm not sure that most Arab-Egyptians are aware or concerned with what African scholars say about Ancient Kemet being linked to Africa - There is a percentage of Arab-Egyptian that would also classify themselves as Nubian Egyptian
- And since Afrocentric scholars in the UK are less vocal in the academic arena, due to our numbers).
But I am aware that arab-Egyptians are frustrated with the British attempting to claim Ancient Egypt as some kind of Scandinavian Empire. Many Egyptian schlors in Cairo have been very vocal against foreign and European ownership of Ancient Egypt over the decades. And gradually there's more of a confidence in having more Egyptian-born historians teaching Egyptology to the masses rather than the English scholars from oxford or cambridge.
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Post by rivertemz on May 19, 2014 11:32:42 GMT -5
Naaw the argument over if ancient Kmt was African biological and cultural is soo over that folks might as well state the obvious. Exactly, whilst the pages on the Cambridge University site is outdated by a few years when it comes to biological research, its potentially an authentic platform for academic credibility in Black Kemet. I wonder what recent studies have taken place with US colleges on Ancient Egypt? What is Harvard and Yale saying?
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Post by rivertemz on May 19, 2014 11:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by rivertemz on Oct 2, 2015 11:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by nebsen on Oct 2, 2015 22:20:29 GMT -5
What happened to your post ? Was looking forward to read more about this subject.
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Post by rivertemz on Dec 21, 2015 8:31:38 GMT -5
What happened to your post ? Was looking forward to read more about this subject. Hello, I'm waiting for more updates on it, I want to physically visit the Museum, it's just 1 hour by train from where I live
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