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Post by anastasiaescrava on Jul 19, 2014 14:06:43 GMT -5
This was right up my alley. I am very interested in the African presence in the central Asia area. Especially the Elamites. While I don't share the same views as Clyde winters, he does occasionally bring up good points. People still cling to the idea of Africans not moving around except thru slavery. We must stop that train of thought. Also, we have established that the levant is geographical an extension of Africa, and it was inhabited by East Africans, so why couldn't they have left?
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Post by anastasiaescrava on Jul 19, 2014 14:14:39 GMT -5
This was right up my alley. I am very interested in the African presence in the central Asia area. Especially the Elamites. While I don't share the same views as Clyde winters, he does occasionally bring up good points. People still cling to the idea of Africans not moving around except thru slavery. We must stop that train of thought. Indeed. One most remember that the Levant was a crossing road both Africans and Eurasians went back and forth. There were Africans crossing into Asia through the Levant since the Neolithic. Then we have Ancient Egypt during the dynastic period colonizing that area. This is why I am starting to entertain this idea. Dana marniche, has good info. I've bookmarked her site
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Post by anastasiaescrava on Jul 19, 2014 20:37:02 GMT -5
Dana marniche, has good info. I've bookmarked her site She does about African presence in Southwest Asia, definietly, but I never seen her really talk about the Phoenicians/Canaanites. On her website, in her april and june categories she has info on the Canaanites. Dana Marniche
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Post by anansi on Jul 19, 2014 21:07:05 GMT -5
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Post by asante on Jul 20, 2014 16:44:58 GMT -5
Everyone on Earth was black prior to 2,500 B.C.....Remember who came out of the Caucus mountains (central Asia on this map) and spread their albinism all over the World with the native black populations. www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Dobruja_Thrace_1.htm#albinoF. X. Ricaut, M. Waelkens. (2008). Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements Human Biology - Volume 80, Number 5, October 2008, pp. 535-564 " A late Pleistocene-early Holocene northward migration (from Africa to the Levant and to Anatolia) of these populations has been hypothesized from skeletal data (Angel 1972, 1973; Brace 2005) and from archaeological data, as indicated by the probable Nile Valley origin of the "Mesolithic" (epi-Paleolithic) Mushabi culture found in the Levant (Bar Yosef 1987). This migration finds some support in the presence in Mediterranean populations (Sicily, Greece, southern Turkey, etc.; Patrinos et al.; Schiliro et al. 1990) of the Benin sickle cell haplotype. This haplotype originated in West Africa and is probably associated with the spread of malaria to southern Europe through an eastern Mediterranean route (Salares et al. 2004) following the expansion of both human and mosquito populations brought about by the advent of the Neolithic transition (Hume et al 2003; Joy et al. 2003; Rich et al 1998). This northward migration of northeastern African populations carrying sub-Saharan biological elements is concordant with the morphological homogeneity of the Natufian populations (Bocquentin 2003), which present morphological affinity with sub-Saharan populations (Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005). In addition, the Neolithic revolution was assumed to arise in the late Pleistocene Natufians and subsequently spread into Anatolia and Europe (Bar-Yosef 2002), and the first Anatolian farmers, Neolithic to Bronze Age Mediterraneans and to some degree other Neolithic-Bronze Age Europeans, show morphological affinities with the Natufians (and indirectly with sub-Saharan populations; Angel 1972; Brace et al 2005), in concordance with a process of demic diffusion accompanying the extension of the Neolithic revolution (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994)." "Following the numerous interactions among eastern Mediterranean and Levantine populations and regions, caused by the introduction of agriculture from the Levant into Anatolia and southeastern Europe, there was, beginning in the Bronze Age, a period of increasing interactions in the eastern Mediterranean, mainly during the Greek, Roman, and Islamic periods. These interactions resulted in the development of trading networks, military campaigns, and settler colonization. Major changes took place during this period, which may have accentuated or diluted the sub-Saharan components of earlier Anatolian populations. The second option seems more likely, because even though the population from Sagalassos territory was interacting with northeastern African and Levantine populations [trade relationships with Egypt (Arndt et al. 2003), involvement of thousands of mercenaries from Pisidia (Sagalassos region) in the war around 300 B.C. between the Ptolemaic kingdom (centered in Egypt) and the Seleucid kingdom (Syria/Mesopotamia/Anatolia), etc.], the major cultural and population interactions involving the Anatolian populations since the Bronze Age occurred with the Mediterranean populations form southeastern Europe, as suggested from historical and genetic data." "" In this context it is likely that Bronze Age events may have facilitated the southward diffusion of populations carrying northern and central European biological elements and may have contributed to some degree of admixture between northern and central Europeans and Anatolians, and on a larger scale, between northeastern Mediterraneans and Anatolians. Even if we do not know which populations were involved, historical and archaeological data suggest, for instance, the 2nd millennium B.C. Minoan and later Mycenaean occupation of Anatolian coast, the arrival in Anatolia in the early 1st millennium B.C. of the Phrygians coming from Thrace, and later the arrival of settlers from Macedonia in Pisidia and in the Sagalassos territory (under Seleucid rule). The coming of the Dorians from Northern Greece and central Europe (the Dorians are claimed to be one of the main groups at the origin of the ancient Greeks) may have also brought northern and central European biological elements into southern populations. Indeed, the Dorians may have migrated southward to the Peloponnese, across the southern Aegean and Create, and later reached Asia Minor."
Nothing that Ricaut's study is really "new" information. The North American Review Volume 0139 Issue 334 (Sept 1884)
Title: Our Remote Ancestry [pp. 246-256]
Author: Winchell, Alexander, Prof.
Collection: Journals: North American Review (1815 - 1900)
[/HR] This occurred as a result of this migration which is masked as misleadingly labeled the "Afro-Asiatic" migration.: Sickle Cell (only passed from parent to offspring) is our blood disease and is found along this exact same migration trail, and it's presence in these regions (especially in pre-Dynastic Egyptian mummies) negate any about this being attributed to anything recent like "slavery": E1b1 for one confirms a migration of Ethiopic (contemporary Horn African populations) type Africans along the same route that our group of Africans (New World black ancestors) trekked as well (as detailed here).:
The so-called "Middle East" (really just a geographic extension of Africa and African peoples) No hiding those fat lips Just look at that hair of people in the paintings that they had in Neolithic era Turkey:
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Post by asante on Jul 20, 2014 16:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by asante on Jul 20, 2014 17:16:19 GMT -5
See sickle cell (our blood disease) in East and Southern Asia as well. Interesting that many of those people look just like our people in Africa, but some people have convinced us that they are separate. The migration of those farming black populations who settled the Fertile Crescent also migrated into ancient China, which is how agriculture spread into that region of World. Not "independent" innovation (or whatever they want to call it) as white scientist have used this explanation to mask the truly pivotal contribution of blacks from Africa to those other non Africans. One of the many secrets in the Vietnam war was that the black U.S. soldiers were thought to be Gods by the Vietnamese people because many people in that region of the World know that the earliest depictions of Buddha show him as black. In fact it was so serious that in many attacks on U.S. troops (white people) by the Vietnamese they would leave the black soldiers alive while slaughtering the white ones! Buddha Vietnam Buddha Thailand Orissa women from northeast India. Note the similarity in jewelry worn compared to the African women below. Ndabele woman from South Africa
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Post by anansi on Jul 20, 2014 20:14:18 GMT -5
Context please you have pics of Africans thrown up without a story behind them , and white people did not spread albinism around the world for they are not Albinos stop echoing Mike on this next you are going to find images that looked like they could have been white folks and called them fakes. The above is a Satyr a redone god of Kemet called Bes,black folks traveled to those places,some from as the earliest OOA times but we already know that.
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Post by anansi on Jul 20, 2014 20:26:57 GMT -5
Greel fishing basket If the brother was one of Alexanders generals then he doubled as a fisher man,and the image is a Roman mosaic.
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Post by asante on Jul 20, 2014 21:48:01 GMT -5
Context please you have pics of Africans thrown up without a story behind them, You must have just totally ignored the maps and migrations detailed in them..The pictures represent the Africans (Bantu/Niger-Congo speakers) and the civilizations and cultures that we left along those migration routes. Sickle Cell is confirmation of the presence of our ancestral African population Asia and Africa. You've been beaten to death on this subject rather you want to admit or not. You're trying to be PC (or "sensible") not intelligent when it comes to these subjects. This is the "slippery slope" logical fallacy. You know that I'm not talking about OOA. I'm talking about more recent (but still very ancient) times.
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Post by anansi on Jul 21, 2014 10:10:53 GMT -5
Context please you have pics of Africans thrown up without a story behind them, You must have just totally ignored the maps and migrations detailed in them..The pictures represent the Africans (Bantu/Niger-Congo speakers) and the civilizations and cultures that we left along those migration routes. Sickle Cell is confirmation of the presence of our ancestral African population Asia and Africa. You've been beaten to death on this subject rather you want to admit or not. You're trying to be PC (or "sensible") not intelligent when it comes to these subjects. This is the "slippery slope" logical fallacy. You know that I'm not talking about OOA. I'm talking about more recent (but still very ancient) times. No the science behind the development of lite or white skin is something you and Mike choose to ignore and insert your own theory,there is nothing P.C in saying that's just not true,non Albino whites do not lack tyrosinase like albinios. Tyrosinase is a copper-containing enzyme present in plant and animal tissues that catalyzes the production of melanin and other pigments from tyrosine by oxidation.Whites and Asians who are not Albinos have it. But you posted images of black Asians such as the folks of Orissa implying they are recent as you did same with the folks further east like the Champa where is the dna evidence to back the claim they are recent,you are on firmer ground when dealing with Europe and later OOA connection,but even that have to be seen in context based on the era.
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Post by anastasiaescrava on Jul 21, 2014 14:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 21, 2014 21:49:50 GMT -5
Honestly, this should come as no surprise. There have always been Africoid peoples in Cannan in fact, they are still there today. The area around Jericho is full of them and there are still bedouin in the Sinai and the Negev who are as black as a Hershey bar. Come on now, all those nappy headed Jews running around had to get that hair from somewhere. The world's ppulations have never been isolated. That part of the world has seen multiple migrations from all directions.
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Post by anansi on Jul 22, 2014 0:54:26 GMT -5
Honestly, this should come as no surprise. There have always been Africoid peoples in Cannan in fact, they are still there today. The area around Jericho is full of them and there are still bedouin in the Sinai and the Negev who are as black as a Hershey bar. Come on now, all those nappy headed Jews running around had to get that hair from somewhere. The world's ppulations have never been isolated. That part of the world has seen multiple migrations from all directions. And apart from earlier migrations connected to the Natufians,we have had Nile valley domination of that area for centuries so much that a great number of their cultural artifacts are of Nile valley origins in nature A four-winged beetle holding a winged disc over its human head; a smaller disc held in its hind legs. A symbol of the sun. Line border. Inscribed in Hebrew blth, its owner's name.
Phoenician, 6th cent. BC.A lion-headed figure holding a staff and an ankh; disc-and-crescent.
Probably Syrian, 7th cent. BC.A Phoenician bust in the Egyptian style (from the Louvre)Even before Pepy II conquest of the area in which he stationed thousand of troops from beyond Kemet's traditional southern border there were contact and traffic with the Levant from the first nation state on the Nile called Ta-Seti the area traditionally known as "Nubia" had contacts with the Levant before there the Kemetic state was formed or unified. Son Of Ra you may also want have a visit to this thread by Karem egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1533/hegemony-beginners-egyptian-activity-southern
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Post by asante on Jul 22, 2014 14:05:06 GMT -5
asante No offense asante, but you're derailing this thread with pseudo-science/historic stuff. First of all don't act like these pictures did not come on top of a contextualized explanation of the evidence and even maps of the migrations from Africa into these places. Use common sense dude. .... Tell me then what is your interpretation of Ricaut 2008 which is in my first post? It seems to say that a "Sub Saharan African" (Niger-Congo speaking population samples) were the base population of the Nile Valley (Egypt in particular is mentioned) and that this migration took them from Egypt and into Canaan (Israel), on up into Turkey, and finally crossing over into Europe. Now while a variety of Africoid populations were in Europe (the Grimaldi man/Khoisan type) and the East African Ethiopic type (who migrated along with us), the dominant group according to anthropology was the "Negroid" type of African. Let's not forget sickle cell is found along this migration route which confirms our ancient presence in all of those regions! Our African group were the ones who originated farming or ushered in the Neolithic when they migrated from Egypt into the fertile crescent. This group of black Africans (our type) were called the Natufians. The Natufians were the first farmers of Europe. Farming is the basis of civilization according to Western scholars. Logically wouldn't the coming of these black farmers from the Middle East and into Europe have planted the basis for those very ancient European civilizations that whites NEVER talk about. Now you want to say that these statues and pictures clearly showing black people and mulattoes (after 2,000 BC) in Greece and Italy (as far as Europe is concerned is fake? Use your brain and stop letting white people and uncle tom (even on this board) make you more "sensible" (or comprising to their BS lies). Now where in the HELL do you think that Negritoes came from man? AFRICA...This was an African expansion of black populations stop letting them distinguish us from each other with truly MEANINGLESS letter designations of "haplogroups". Those who did not mix with the albinos further down the line are STILL THERE and are treated like shit wherever they are. Just like we are found throughout India (where sickle cell is also found) and are treated like shit there This information is being suppressed.
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