Is Dienekes a lunatic or is he desperate?

[djoser-xyyman]

I believe the man is close to a lunatic, I am not sure what he is looking at. He seems desperate to put modern “Europeans” in the Paleolithic when clear evidence shows there is no genetic continuity between ancient Europeans and modern Europeans. As a typical European he is STEALING other peoples ancestry (ancient Asian) and claiming it as European.


Are they genetic kleptomaniacs ? Keep in mind these quotes are NOT by the authors but by the fringe Dienekess


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Quotes by Dienekess:

Quote1
This is now the third oldest Homo sapiens for which we have genetic data, after Ust'-Ishim (Siberia, 45 thousand years), Tianyuan (China, 40 thousand years), and now Kostenki (European part of Russia, 37 thousand years)……


Quote2
K14 may not be the older Upper Paleolithic human, but as of this writing it is the only Upper Paleolithic European that has been published so far…


Quote3 :
The new paper shows that K14 was definitely European (or more correctly West Eurasian or Caucasoid), as it was more similar to modern Europeans than to East Asians or other non-West Eurasian populations. Thus, the morphological description of the sample as "Australoid" by some early anthropologists did not reflect its ancestral makeup. Also, this proves that Caucasoids existed 37,000 years ago, which most physical anthropologists would believe, but it is nice to have direct confirmation.


Quote4
But there is a slight kink in the story, as K14 also belonged to Y-haplogroup C which is predominantly East Asian/Ocenian/Native American today.

Quote 5;
The authors propose the following model for how various populations are related to each other:


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[djoser-xyyman]

This Dienekess dude is clearly losing his mind. The data shows that K14 is Asian, related to Australians which corroborates the morphology. Which also matches the y-DNA haplogroup.

[djoser-xyyman]

[djoser-xyyman]

The diagram shows that K14 is a "dead end", a sibling to ANE/ancient North East (asians)

[djoser-xyyman]

The most ancient sites of Kostenki in the context of the Initial Upper Paleolithic of northern Eurasia
❚ ANDREI A. SINITSYN


The tooth of a modern human provides evidence pertaining to the anthropological affinities of the makers of this assemblage. According to Prof. A. A. Zubov (IAE RAS), one particular feature of its morphology — the presence of a deflective wrinkle — is diagnostic.
This feature occurs in 70-80% of mongoloids but in only 5-6% of Europeans (and ***MAINLY*** among Finns and Lapps).

[djoser-xyyman]

The genetic data and morphology clearly shows that K14 is related to Australians type Asians yet this genetic kleptomaniacs wnats to steal Asian genetic material and label it as "Caucasoids". Ha! Ha! Ha!

[djoser-xyyman]

On K14 Quote by acheologist:

The Markina Gora skeleton
The skeleton from Kostenki 14 was discovered in 1954 by A.N. Rogachev in a
trench on the western portion of the site. The skeleton, of a relatively short man (1.60 m)
aged 20-25 years old (79), has a robust skull, with strongly developed supraorbital tori, a
deep infraglabellar notch, and short face (Fig. S4). The skeleton was found in a deeply
flexed position on its left side with the face to the north and the hands by the face (Fig.
S5). The burial pit was characterized by steep walls and an oval shape, about 99 x 39 cm
(50). Its long axis was East-West oriented. The skeleton was found at its base and
associated with dark red pigment (especially around the skull). The only finds with the
skeleton are a few lithic flakes and animal bones. Their presence could be causally linked
to the burial event or be the result of rodent activity. Based on this and the non-diagnostic
nature of the flakes, no direct association with a particular Paleolithic archeological
tradition at the site is possible.


analyses, the K14 individual belonged to mitochondrial haplogroup U2 (131). Two other



K14 simply by counting how often K14 matches the derived allele at each branch in the
tree. Results for both of theses datasets clearly show that K14 carries the derived alleles
for all SNPs on branches ancestral to hg C, but ancestral alleles for the branches leading
to more derived haplogroups (Fig. S13). Furthermore, K14 carries the derived allele for
four hg C mutations in ISOGG (P255, V183, V199, V232) (Table S6). The MHG
19 individual from La Braña (22) carries the same derived mutations, suggesting that both
are members of a closely related lineage within hg C.

[djoser-xyyman]

From the study SUPP;

When K14 is directly compared to other ancient individuals, using f3(Mbutiy Pygmy; K14, Ancient),
MHGs (Loschbour, La Braña) had the highest affinity to K14, suggesting shared ancestry
of these ancient individuals with K14 (Fig S14).


Within Europe, Northern Europeans also appear significantly closer to K14 than southern Europeans (Z = 6.7,
(Sardinians, Lithuanians)) (Tables S7; Fig. S16).

comment by xyyman - this caraborates Lazaridis. Modern Northern Europeans have more ANE than southern Europeans. But southern Europeans are 80% EEF(African) and Northern Europeans are closer to only 50% EEF .

[djoser-xyyman]

from the Suppl:

We find that all contemporary non-Africans, except Australo-Melanesians,
are closer to either Mal’ta (MA1) or MHGs than to K14, whereas they are equally distant
to NEOL and K14 (Fig. S19; Tables S10-S11).


Results
We found that MHGs and Neolithic farmers cluster with Northern and Southern
Europeans respectively, while the UP MA1 fell outside contemporary variation towards
Native Americans, as previously described (127). K14 was also found to fall outside the
range of contemporary European variation, but was distinct from MA1, clustering most
closely with Central Asian populations. (Fig. S21-S23)



On Neanderthal admixture Quote:

We conclude that any introgression with an unsampled archaic human population,
while theoretically possible, has left a negligible trace in the sampled K14 genome.

xyyman comment; in other words they are unsure of admixture. lol!

[djoser-xyyman]

Strange...

I haven't seen any phenotype genetic data???

anyone??

If I am a gambling man..my money is on black pigmentation like La Brana and Melenesians. He! He!

[djoser-xyyman]

Interestingly for the AIM cluster grouping @k3, K14 is very similar to Melanesians.

[djoser-xyyman]

For the record. Kostenki (K14) is located west of Kazakstan. and east of Belarus. ie Central Asia!!! And the genotype of K14 closely related to …..Asian(ancient Indians)!!!!

What is it with the modern Europeans and their obsession to steal other people’s history ….and genes. They have a fanatical need to prove they have an ancient presence in Europe and Asia. .
Here is the synopsis on K14 as presented by the authors. Even they, the authors , have included a lot of (dead)spin to interject modern European presence going back 36,000ya. They are failing miserably.

Fig S 22 clearly shows based upon ADMIXTURE, K14, has closest affinity to…ancient Asians populations eg Sindhi, Makrani, Burusho, Brahui etc population with ancient African connection!!!!!! There is nothing Earth-shattering to this paper. It basically confirms Lazaridis et al. Asian/Melenesian type peoples occupied ALL of Eurasia(Iberia to India) for close to 30ky!!!

Any questions…or rebuttal…hit me up.

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Quote from the authors.


S11: Principal Component Analysis
Methods
Principal Component Analysis (PCA) was used to place K14 in the range of present day and past human diversity.

Results
We found that MHGs and Neolithic farmers cluster with Northern and Southern
Europeans respectively, while the UP MA1 fell outside contemporary variation towards Native Americans, as previously described (127). K14 was also found to fall outside the range of contemporary European variation, but was distinct from MA1, ****clustering most closely with Central Asian populations.***** (Fig. S21-S23)

S12: Treemix
Methods
Admixture graphs for the whole genome datasets were inferred using TreeMix
(171). We ran TreeMix considering up to 10 migration edges


Results
The tree topology resulting from TreeMix, including all ancient humans previously
characterized at the genome level, places K14 basal to a pan-Eurasian group in the Prufer et al dataset, but as a sister group to MA1 in the (127) (Fig. S24-S25).


For 6 migration edges and above, K14 grouped together with MA1, still ccupying a basal position with respect to the modern populations listed above and all ancient human genomes.

[djoser-xyyman]

Here are the FACTS without the spin….
Based upon AIM/SNPs, of the modern living populations in the dataset, K14 has closest match to Populations of the Indian-Subcontinent (not Central Asians as purported by Dienekess and the media). Closest were the “old” Dravidian type populations of India ie Makrani, Sindhi, Brahui, Burosho etc.. Don’t; believe me? Check out the data Fig S 22.. Based upon haplogroups, mtDNA U2 and yDNA C. Typically found in Central Asia and Dravidians/Melenesia. No new information except the lies proposed by Dienekess and his cohorts.

[zarahan]

XYZMAN syas
I believe the man is close to a lunatic, I am not sure what he is looking at. He seems desperate to put modern “Europeans” in the Paleolithic when clear evidence shows there is no genetic continuity between ancient Europeans and modern Europeans. As a typical European he is STEALING other peoples ancestry (ancient Asian) and claiming it as European.

He is not a lunatic, he is a crafty Eurocentric ideologue. He knows certain things undermine his claims, but deliberately keeps up a dubious propaganda front for "the faithful." What counts is not the facts but the propaganda flow.



NEWS ARTICLE QUOTE:
This new study is based on ancient DNA extracted from the fossilized skeleton, Kostenki 14 or K-14, who once was a short, dark featured man from approx. 36,000 years ago who died along the Middle Don River in Kostenki-Borshchevo, Russia. The team extracted 13 samples from the arm bone. The DNA was sequenced to a final coverage of 2.42x. That is relatively low and means on average each nucleotide site was read 2.4 times. Thus, the sequence is likely to include a large number of errors and gaps… This does make it the second oldest whole human genome sequenced,

^^How did the article come up with "dark-featured"? WHat are they basing this on?

[djoser-xyyman]

Interesting...I did not see that quote. In fact in the data pack, I downloaded, no genetic materials for phenotype was disclosed. Source of that quote?