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Post by anansi on Jan 16, 2015 23:09:02 GMT -5
Black Americans Ain't From No Africa: Sayz a small but increasingly influential number of street scholars some with a religious bent,some claimed to be Hebrews which in my opinion is the most vocal,followed by the Moors and the Native Americans,all three differs slightly but they do overlap. Their theory goes as follows.(If you find massive head scratching contradictions in the theory it's Okay)
1 There was no slave trade. 2 There was no slave trade from Africa but from Israel to the Americas. 3 There was slave trade from Africa but it was the Africans who sold the Hebrews into slavery because they were non Africans although Blacks. 4 The Blacks Hispanics and Native Americans are actually Hebrews enslaved on the spot in the Americas. 5 The Moors are the original inhabitants of the Americas they are responsible for all the monumental architecture in the Americas. 6 African and Black Americans weather Hebrews,Native Americans and Hispanics do not even look alike and are different race type. 7 Genetic evidence to the contrary is white men fraudulent science. 8 ship's manifest of that era were made-up to hide the fact that the people in the hull were Hebrews. 9 Slavery of the Black Hebrews in the Americas were sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem and their dispersal to Africa where they found mighty kingdoms like the Ashanti. 10 The seed of Shem aka Black Hebrews must not mix with that of Ham aka Africans or the Edomites aka Europeans and Asians who will to be slaves to the sons of Shem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now many here would want to ignore them or flick there from their collar like one do a fly,but as I said they are influential on a street level despite the massive contradictions and poor scholarship their message is seeping into the general populous of Black America,their communication is not bad and Youtube is covered with their vids, the preferred medium of the young, but it's there,the alarming thing is their rabid anti-Africanism would do any white supremacist proud.
These are two samples of what's out there notice the twist with the use of the term" native" in the first vid to imply non African connection.
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Post by kaskata on Jan 16, 2015 23:59:19 GMT -5
I have watched some of their videos and even followed some of their arguments. It's beyond me how any one can buy into their non-sense. Just like the KKK, I wonder which bible they read from. Talk about self hate. This reminds of racist white groups who say: yes man was born in Africa, but that man was white. Never mind that where man is presumed to be born is close to the equator. In a way, we shouldn't be too surprise if they feel the way they do, given the constant negative image of Africa. If only they knew of their past history and glories. I have even seen and read some fools suggest, blacks in the West should count the blessing of slavery, as they live better lives than their brothers and sisters in Africa. While others sing the praises of past colonialism. In both cases the horrific and brutality nature is under played. The question I have been asking myself is, how do we make the horse drink from the well, when the horse is determine not to drink from the good well but the poisonous one?
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Post by A Boy Named KING on Jan 17, 2015 1:22:12 GMT -5
Anansi and Kaskata, Sometimes you must drag the horse kicking and screaming to drink from the well to understand that Division just fuels the systems obsession of keeping Black people from each other.
Israelis became a Nation IN Africa, read Genesis 17:5 for the Name of the Father of many Nations. Jesus Christ, the Son of God was born in Bethlehem in Israel,and was called out of Egypt. Read Matthew 2:12-15
SOME(Please Blessed people) African brother and sisters(Nigerians? Angolans?) must start the revival. Educate the youth on the Ancient Civilizations in Africa, examples like Kemet in the North, to Nok in the West, To Axsum in the East, to Great Zimbabwe in the South. Create Movies, documemtaries teaching African Story from an African perspective.
I just have no clue why Africans and African Americans don't create there own Media to educate the Youth on there Story.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jan 17, 2015 12:52:16 GMT -5
This crap is...... Well.. It's just sad that's all I can say. I guess there are some people out there who are so brainwashed and ill educated that they need to invent an image of superiority by stealing someone else's identity. What I find especially saddening is the reliance on the Bible, or pseudo Christianity as the be all and end all source of spirituality. African people had many spiritual philosophies, many that still survive to this day, yet they are ignored in favor of concocted fantasies of grander. All it is is white supremacy flipped upside down. It's just sad. My advice, when you see people in organizations or street corners wearing funny looking homemade costumes.... Run, run away!
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Post by zarahan on Jan 17, 2015 17:04:47 GMT -5
Anansi said: the alarming thing is their rabid anti-Africanism would do any white supremacist proud.That's the sad part. These guys could be so useful if they were focused on credible stuff. I mean imagine if they were to take ES/Reloaded/NV stuff and break it down in bite sized levels for the "street" in musical form or something similar. It would get the word out on a whole other level. They have a poor grasp of the Bible on top of that. I mean Moses links together, - Mizraim- Egypt -- Cush- Sudanic zone near Egypt and less used -Mesopotamia/Ethiopia/Yemen and perhaps extending down to the Horn -- Phut- Somalia, Southern Sudan or Eritrea and the Hebrew prophets do likewise- among other refs for example: Jeremiah 46:9- "let the mighty men go forth: Cush and Phut that handle the shield, and the Ludim that handle the bow." Isa 66:19 -- Pul or Put and Lud "that draw the bow." and so on. The Bible (2 Kings 19: 9) mentions Taharqua of the 25th Dynasty coming to help his Hebrew allies in Jerusalem, and perhaps saving Judaism- with momentous consequences centuries down the road. Book "The rescue of jerusalem" by Henry Aubin discussed a number of times here and on ES. These guys could have put together a hard-hitting, reasonably accurate piece, that would have some credibility- but instead, we get the opposite. White racists in some ways have a low workload these days- blacks folk doing so much of the work for them.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 17, 2015 19:41:10 GMT -5
La da da di da da da
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 18, 2015 0:00:00 GMT -5
Whatever their beef, even if it were true the first to be sold to Euro ships were Hebrews the Hhamites were afraid would bring the "10 Plagues of the Exodus" on them, nothing in TaNaKH makes continentals immemorial foes of the People/Nation of Yisra'el.
Forget for a moment that by their own accounts Israel became a nation in Egypt, or that Torah was given on Mt Horeb -- Sinai Peninsula Egypt Africa, or the various Hhamite wives of Hebrews (including Abraham Abinu) throughout time.
I would like all to consider what I call the ransom and the equals prophecies
For I am the ETERNAL thy God, The Holy One of Yisra'el, thy Saviour; I have given Egypt as thy ransom, Kush and S*ba' for thee.
Yeshayahu 43:3
Are ye not as the b*nei Kushiyyiym unto Me, O b*nei Yisra'el? oracles the ETERNAL. Have not I brought up Yisra'el out of the land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caphtor, and 'Aram from Kir?
`Amos 9:7
Note that only Hhamites are the ransom worth of Israel and of the Hhamites the Kushites (Sudan belt from Red Sea to Atlantic aka the Sahel Sahelians) are reckoned as Israel by their Deity.
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Post by anansi on Jan 19, 2015 0:59:17 GMT -5
These Hebrews and Nativist really do need to come to terms with their African selves,denying or rejecting the African within do not spare them death from bullet or the whip if the stuff truly hit the fan,building bridges not burning them is the way to go no matter your belief system,the Rastas believe in an Israel as well as Africa as a mother land,they see no contradiction. Rasta embraced all.
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Post by rivertemz on Jan 19, 2015 16:04:04 GMT -5
ugggh, these black isrealites have made it to the UK as well. I would love to find a way to dissolve this whole movement, there's nothing worse than being fed false knowledge of truth. It gives me a headache.
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Post by snakepit on Jan 29, 2015 22:42:48 GMT -5
Black Americans Ain't From No Africa: Sayz a small but increasingly influential number of street scholars some with a religious bent,some claimed to be Hebrews which in my opinion is the most vocal,followed by the Moors and the Native Americans,all three differs slightly but they do overlap. Their theory goes as follows.(If you find massive head scratching contradictions in the theory it's Okay) 1 There was no slave trade. 2 There was no slave trade from Africa but from Israel to the Americas. 3 There was slave trade from Africa but it was the Africans who sold the Hebrews into slavery because they were non Africans although Blacks. 4 The Blacks Hispanics and Native Americans are actually Hebrews enslaved on the spot in the Americas. 5 The Moors are the original inhabitants of the Americas they are responsible for all the monumental architecture in the Americas. 6 African and Black Americans weather Hebrews,Native Americans and Hispanics do not even look alike and are different race type. 7 Genetic evidence to the contrary is white men fraudulent science. 8 ship's manifest of that era were made-up to hide the fact that the people in the hull were Hebrews. 9 Slavery of the Black Hebrews in the Americas were sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem and their dispersal to Africa where they found mighty kingdoms like the Ashanti. 10 The seed of Shem aka Black Hebrews must not mix with that of Ham aka Africans or the Edomites aka Europeans and Asians who will to be slaves to the sons of Shem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now many here would want to ignore them or flick there from their collar like one do a fly,but as I said they are influential on a street level despite the massive contradictions and poor scholarship their message is seeping into the general populous of Black America,their communication is not bad and Youtube is covered with their vids, the preferred medium of the young, but it's there,the alarming thing is their rabid anti-Africanism would do any white supremacist proud. These are two samples of what's out there notice the twist with the use of the term " native" in the first vid to imply non African connection. I don't get how Native Americans can be related to Africans who got to the Americas fairly recently (in the grand scheme of things) . Let's say Jacob possessed the E1b1a y-Dna Haplogroup, then those Native Americans should largely also be of that same lineage, for obvious reasons. Then there's the whole slave-trade issue, arguing that it didn't happen is beyond ridiculous at this point. Africans might have been the first ones to populate the Americas, but I can't remember reading anything about the "Moors" actually calling themselves "Moors". Then there's the whole Shem/Ham thing, which is pretty silly. If the exodus really happened, and millions of Hebrews migrated out of Egypt, after initially only being 70 in number (Note that any descendant of Abraham could rightfully be called Hebrew) , that would imply that many of them mixed with the native Egyptian population, and since Jacob's 10 sons didn't recognize Joseph until he revealed his identity, and Moses (which is an Egyptian name) passed for an Egyptian, it would imply that the Hebrews & Egyptians shared the same phenotypical traits, i.e Shem & Ham are just two AFRICAN lineages (Parts of Israel, Lebanon & Syria actually sits on the African tectonic plate) . I don't have a problem with people saying that the Hebrews were an African people (there's no evidence to support that they were of Eurasian origins) , but I don't like the rabid anti-Africanness that some of these Power-Rangers are displaying. It is downright silly.
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Post by anansi on Jan 30, 2015 2:10:32 GMT -5
Snakepit said Whiteman's lies and science they will retort,they will have non of that alphabet soup so-called DNA.But they are not alone 4 in 10 Americans Believe God Created Earth 10,000 Years Ago, 4 in 10 Americans Believe God Created Earth 10,000 Years Ago that Kemet was basically early medieval era,and the " Great Flood" happened in 1656,yes that's a real thing.
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Post by HOLYLAND on Aug 26, 2015 0:39:26 GMT -5
Hebrews don't believe that the Atlantic Slave trade took place in Israel. They actually believe that we came from West Africa but they say we migrated to West Africa when Titus and Vespasian Caesar intruded and conquered Israel in 70 AD and a lot of the Israelites moved to Africa because they knew they would blend in with the Native Africans sense they all were black and they soon migrated to West Africa because it was out of Romans jurisdiction. The Native Africans or the Hamitic people saw the Hebrews as "outsiders" and the Arabs intruded their homes forcefully converting the Hebrews into Islam and ultimately sold to the Israelites to the Jewish people in what we know as the "Trans Atlantic Slave Trade" but they do believe we was sold from West Africa. What was intriguing to me is that you still have Hebraic tribes in West Africa that was forced and abused to convert their beliefs to Islam or Christianity and those people are called "outsiders" even though they inhabit Africa like everyone else
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Post by HOLYLAND on Aug 26, 2015 0:41:34 GMT -5
Black Americans Ain't From No Africa: Sayz a small but increasingly influential number of street scholars some with a religious bent,some claimed to be Hebrews which in my opinion is the most vocal,followed by the Moors and the Native Americans,all three differs slightly but they do overlap. Their theory goes as follows.(If you find massive head scratching contradictions in the theory it's Okay) 1 There was no slave trade. 2 There was no slave trade from Africa but from Israel to the Americas. 3 There was slave trade from Africa but it was the Africans who sold the Hebrews into slavery because they were non Africans although Blacks. 4 The Blacks Hispanics and Native Americans are actually Hebrews enslaved on the spot in the Americas. 5 The Moors are the original inhabitants of the Americas they are responsible for all the monumental architecture in the Americas. 6 African and Black Americans weather Hebrews,Native Americans and Hispanics do not even look alike and are different race type. 7 Genetic evidence to the contrary is white men fraudulent science. 8 ship's manifest of that era were made-up to hide the fact that the people in the hull were Hebrews. 9 Slavery of the Black Hebrews in the Americas were sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem and their dispersal to Africa where they found mighty kingdoms like the Ashanti. 10 The seed of Shem aka Black Hebrews must not mix with that of Ham aka Africans or the Edomites aka Europeans and Asians who will to be slaves to the sons of Shem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now many here would want to ignore them or flick there from their collar like one do a fly,but as I said they are influential on a street level despite the massive contradictions and poor scholarship their message is seeping into the general populous of Black America,their communication is not bad and Youtube is covered with their vids, the preferred medium of the young, but it's there,the alarming thing is their rabid anti-Africanism would do any white supremacist proud. These are two samples of what's out there notice the twist with the use of the term " native" in the first vid to imply non African connection. I don't get how Native Americans can be related to Africans who got to the Americas fairly recently (in the grand scheme of things) . Let's say Jacob possessed the E1b1a y-Dna Haplogroup, then those Native Americans should largely also be of that same lineage, for obvious reasons. Then there's the whole slave-trade issue, arguing that it didn't happen is beyond ridiculous at this point. Africans might have been the first ones to populate the Americas, but I can't remember reading anything about the "Moors" actually calling themselves "Moors". Then there's the whole Shem/Ham thing, which is pretty silly. If the exodus really happened, and millions of Hebrews migrated out of Egypt, after initially only being 70 in number (Note that any descendant of Abraham could rightfully be called Hebrew) , that would imply that many of them mixed with the native Egyptian population, and since Jacob's 10 sons didn't recognize Joseph until he revealed his identity, and Moses (which is an Egyptian name) passed for an Egyptian, it would imply that the Hebrews & Egyptians shared the same phenotypical traits, i.e Shem & Ham are just two AFRICAN lineages (Parts of Israel, Lebanon & Syria actually sits on the African tectonic plate) . I don't have a problem with people saying that the Hebrews were an African people (there's no evidence to support that they were of Eurasian origins) , but I don't like the rabid anti-Africanness that some of these Power-Rangers are displaying. It is downright silly.
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Post by HOLYLAND on Aug 26, 2015 0:59:27 GMT -5
See from all the research that I actually did on different beliefs the Hebrews made the most sense to me, I guess cause I still have a lot of questions for Egyptology. A lot of people don't really do their research on the Hebrews to understand their point of view but go by the YouTube videos and media that always tends to aim a negative light on the Hebrews for some reason. The Hebrew community is bigger than what a lot of people think or give credit for and there's numerous of Israelite camps and these Hebrews as a whole believe in the same thing but they still have their differences when it comes to believing in the little things. A lot of Hebrews out there preach that God hates the African man and only like the Hebrews, and a lot of other Hebrews consider Hebrews to be Africans but from the line of Shem and not from the line of Ham which is the teaching that I agree with because Africa is nothing but a land mass and anybody from African would be considered a African despite skin color and that goes with any continent! A lot of the Hebrews also believe that the "Middle East" is an European term and that the originals never referred themselves by that term which is actually true. The Middle East was once considered North East Africa and once the Suez Canal which is a man-made canal came into play it basically separated the Holy land from the motherland to the point where now some people are considering the Middle East to be a part of Asia before considering it a part of Africa when it originally was. The funny thing about this is that when you look on a map Africa don't look complete if you don't add the Middle East like as if the Middle East is an missing piece to the puzzle.
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Post by anansi on Aug 26, 2015 1:59:04 GMT -5
No I met these brothers on the streets of N.Y saw their vids "they" put a negative light on themselves, now Blacks as Hebrews yes there are plenty of evidence both ancient and modern for that,Hebrews in Africa..yes they exists or existed no argument there but they are a drop of rain in an ocean , so trying to tie all or most AAs or new world blacks to the line of Shem only is a sham, the evidence overwhelmingly points to Africans of traditional non Abrahmic beliefs as the main body of new world blacks, I am not denying that Africans of the Hebrew faith could not have been caught up in the slave system but the amount would have to be minuscule, btw did you know that Africans of the Christian faith were also caught up in the slave system but like the Hebrews their presence was tiny and should not be exaggerated.
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