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Post by HOLYLAND on Aug 26, 2015 14:58:51 GMT -5
No I met these brothers on the streets of N.Y saw their vids "they" put a negative light on themselves, now Blacks as Hebrews yes there are plenty of evidence both ancient and modern for that,Hebrews in Africa..yes they exists or existed no argument there but they are a drop of rain in an ocean , so trying to tie all or most AAs or new world blacks to the line of Shem only is a sham, the evidence overwhelmingly points to Africans of traditional non Abrahmic beliefs as the main body of new world blacks, I am not denying that Africans of the Hebrew faith could not have been caught up in the slave system but the amount would have to be minuscule, btw did you know that Africans of the Christian faith were also caught up in the slave system but like the Hebrews their presence was tiny and should not be exaggerated. see I never met the ones preaching on the corners I just know them personally they exposed me to a lot and it will literally take me books to explain, but I understand what your saying I will have to do more research on this. If you don't mind me asking what's your belief?
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Post by anansi on Aug 26, 2015 18:51:44 GMT -5
No I met these brothers on the streets of N.Y saw their vids "they" put a negative light on themselves, now Blacks as Hebrews yes there are plenty of evidence both ancient and modern for that,Hebrews in Africa..yes they exists or existed no argument there but they are a drop of rain in an ocean , so trying to tie all or most AAs or new world blacks to the line of Shem only is a sham, the evidence overwhelmingly points to Africans of traditional non Abrahmic beliefs as the main body of new world blacks, I am not denying that Africans of the Hebrew faith could not have been caught up in the slave system but the amount would have to be minuscule, btw did you know that Africans of the Christian faith were also caught up in the slave system but like the Hebrews their presence was tiny and should not be exaggerated. see I never met the ones preaching on the corners I just know them personally they exposed me to a lot and it will literally take me books to explain, but I understand what your saying I will have to do more research on this. If you don't mind me asking what's your belief? I am agnostic.
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Post by clydewin98 on Aug 26, 2015 19:52:42 GMT -5
It is true that Afro-Americans are not just descendants of Africans. But as one of the posters already noted the Hebrews and Muurs all originated in Africa (e.g., Egypt and West Africa respectively). I do believe it is important that Afro-Americans know that we have a triparte origin: Black Native Americans, Black Europeans and Black Africans. As a result, I have made two videos one on the Black Europeans and the other video on the Black Native American ancestors of Afro-Americans.
Enjoy
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Post by Yarawshalam Yasharahla on Aug 26, 2015 21:49:32 GMT -5
See from all the research that I actually did on different beliefs the Hebrews made the most sense to me, I guess cause I still have a lot of questions for Egyptology. A lot of people don't really do their research on the Hebrews to understand their point of view but go by the YouTube videos and media that always tends to aim a negative light on the Hebrews for some reason. The Hebrew community is bigger than what a lot of people think or give credit for and there's numerous of Israelite camps and these Hebrews as a whole believe in the same thing but they still have their differences when it comes to believing in the little things. A lot of Hebrews out there preach that God hates the African man and only like the Hebrews, and a lot of other Hebrews consider Hebrews to be Africans but from the line of Shem and not from the line of Ham which is the teaching that I agree with because Africa is nothing but a land mass and anybody from African would be considered a African despite skin color and that goes with any continent! A lot of the Hebrews also believe that the "Middle East" is an European term and that the originals never referred themselves by that term which is actually true. The Middle East was once considered North East Africa and once the Suez Canal which is a man-made canal came into play it basically separated the Holy land from the motherland to the point where now some people are considering the Middle East to be a part of Asia before considering it a part of Africa when it originally was. The funny thing about this is that when you look on a map Africa don't look complete if you don't add the Middle East like as if the Middle East is an missing piece to the puzzle. LOL Shalom... I told you I wont joking
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Post by Yarawshalam Yasharahla on Aug 26, 2015 22:13:09 GMT -5
At the end of the day it all depends on what your belief is and as Africans we kind of neglect the other black civilizations that was around during the ancient. The so called Middle East is really North East Africa like how the brother explained above and a lot of Hebrews are hesitant to even call themselves Africans but the Bible specifically says Negros are not from the line of Ham but from the line of Shem and it says nothing about being Africans! Just because someone is not Hamitic doesn't mean he/she cant be African when Africa is just a land mass and not a country but a continent. There's Hebrews out there giving us a very bad reputation and not carrying their selves in righteousness as the most high says and from this perspective people make their broad opinions of the whole Israelite community based off the ignorance of these brothers, you even got some brothers (GMS) teaching that the Bible and the most high promotes rape and its very unfortunate, but hey that's how life works I guess. Are blacks from Africa? Yes, that's obvious... the human race is from Africa, even if you check my DNA it goes back to West Africa, Cameroon, Nigeria, Togo and Benin and every other individual that I know that got checked outside of my family have some of the same or different ancestry near those same exact areas but all in West Africa and that's a great amount of people that I know of, and that's just talking based on my experiences and from whom/what I know. There's rotten apples in every organization but the spirit of the most high triumphs any and everything... SHALOM
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Post by anansi on Aug 27, 2015 7:49:41 GMT -5
Shalom and welcome aboard. Yarawshalam Yasharahla said:
I found the opposite is true as it is inner African civilizations that stand most neglected, I know Brothers and sisters that can rattle off the names of dynasties and court life of civilizations from the so called middle east without stopping to breathe, but are stuck with less that a handful of individual kings or Queens and zero knowledge of their court life much less the mores and accomplishments of those civs and how they influence the daily life of the world to this very day.
While I cannot read Hebrew or Aramaic, the translation of the Bible I am most familiar with do not have the word Negro, the closest would be in the personal sir name of Simeon Niger translated as Simeon Black or Simeon the Black no where does it appear as an ethnic term within the Bible.
Non Biblical used of the term Niger later to become Negro is present, however it is used interchangeably with Ethiops,Moors and Ham ex:
For all the negroes or black Moors are descendants of Cush, the son of Ham, who was the son of Noah. But whatever difference there is between the Negroes and the tawny Moors, it is a fact that they are all of the same ancestry. Leo Africanus Quote:
Like I said I know some African Hebrews personally of Ethiopian origins but born with Israeli citizenship very pleasant and even very Afri-Centered absolutely no problem with them,if it is specifically an American thing then you brothers had better find a way to rein them in.
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Post by Yarawshalam Yasharahla on Aug 27, 2015 23:08:26 GMT -5
See the thing is there's a lot of different translations or different copies of the Bible for obvious reasons. The original 1611 King James Bible is the most accurate Bible in terms of the ancient. The Roman Catholic Church basically oversees what we know as Christianity and the Catholic Church or people in power mainly the Jews manipulates and changes a lot of things according to the original text. A lot of people have unauthentic Bibles due to the fact there is so many kinds of Bibles out there and none are the originals, even the NIV Bible is on display which dates back to Satanism and I can prove that, this is what throws the true Children of Israel off a lot of times because the Bible has been changed and it continues to get changed from scripture to scripture! They took the Apocrypha out of the Bible because they said it didn't connect to the Bible spiritually which is a flat out lie and this is where the misconceptions started. A lot of people reading these Bibles don't know they're reading an incomplete Bible and these individuals base their opinions off these incompletions and it affects the people who worship/read this book we call the Bible as a whole. When you look in these Bibles you would notice that a lot of these books have different definitions or differences in words and scriptures according to the people or things these books talks about and all this does is confuse and manipulates the masses, when these definitions or scriptures are not the original copies at all! Even on websites and apps when you go to BIBLEHUB.COM there are numerous of definition of Ham, you got the Smith's Bible dictionary, the ATS Bible dictionary and a couple more. This doesn't do anything but confuse and make people suspect the authenticity of the Bible as a whole. Even on the King James website they don't even talk about Ham as a person but as a the thigh of a hog! The real definition of Ham is... "Youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor (which means forefather) of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites".
And when I said "as Africans we kind of neglect the other black civilizations", I was speaking from an American point of view because of a lot pan African people or Egyptologist(that I know personally you might have a different perspective)they only talks about Africa and not the fact that our people ruled outside of Africa from Europe, Australia and the ancient Americas that's where I was coming from...
Yes the African hate is an American Hebrew thing because they view Africans as the ones selling our people into captivity but a lot of Hebrews don't think that way. Like I said before its a "HEBREW COMMUNITY" and within a community you will have people who disagree on certain things and we also disagree on what certain Hebrew camps teach or the way they think or carry their selves, you got your good and your bad but we all know we're the Children of Israel. An "Israeli" is not an "Israelite" there's an significant difference here. An Israeli is a native or inhabitant of Israel, or a person of Israeli descent... An Israelite are a member of the ancient Hebrew nation, especially in the period from the Exodus to the Babylonian Captivity
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2015 7:20:21 GMT -5
Although I am not religious, matter of fact I am agnostic boarding atheistic I do acknowledge the fact of multiple interpretation of the Bible which is a Christian thing, Hebrews are supposed to be the people of the Torah, yes there is overlap but there are striking differences too as I am told so If have to ask do you study the Torah or the Bible I know someone here will tell you that the Bible is a poor substitute but I'll wait for him to join the conversation. According to your belief system if Negroes do not appear pre or post flood then where did the hail from??..you have Shem Japhet and Ham but Negroes showed up when?? When you say our people are you talking about Negroes or Shemites??..we know that there were African or African tainted dynasties in some places in Europe, but in places like Australia etc there are indeed Black Asians, but linguistically genetically and culturally they as far away from Africans as you can get, matter of fact the so-called Negroes Hamites and Shemites to use your paradigm is way closer on a genetic and even cultural level than any is to Black Asiatics. Black Asians
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Post by A Boy Named KING on Aug 28, 2015 11:49:53 GMT -5
The Bible has Not Been Changed
stop nitpicking words :
also Your twisting the Only Holy Book,. the Holy Bibles, Words to your own destruction Yarawshalam Yasharahla
Peace
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2015 17:25:47 GMT -5
The Bible has Not Been Changed stop nitpicking words : also Your twisting the Only Holy Book,. the Holy Bibles, Words to your own destruction Yarawshalam Yasharahla Peace Council of Nicaea
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Post by A Boy Named KING on Aug 28, 2015 17:35:53 GMT -5
The Bible has Not Been Changed stop nitpicking words : also Your twisting the Only Holy Book,. the Holy Bibles, Words to your own destruction Yarawshalam Yasharahla Peace Council of Nicaea Sigh Read and Understand Anansi www.gotquestions.org/council-of-Nicea.htmlThey Council Affirmed the Gospels Anansi ^^^Jesus Accepting Worship from Man ^^^Jesus Saying he is the Son of God Understand Family EDIT:
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Post by Yarawshalam Yasharahla on Aug 28, 2015 17:59:07 GMT -5
See the thing about us Hebrews is that we get headaches about that word "religion", we just go by laws, statutes and commandments... They make religion into a system where you believe in a superpower or a superhuman, when religion is nothing but a certain belief system. Anything can be a religion... Science can be a religion if that's where your faith lands you and yes even an atheist... As people we all believe in something whether its science, the sun, nature, evolution or whatever just because you don't believe in a "GOD" doesn't mean you don't have a certain belief even though there's multiple gods or deities that's attached to nothing but idols which is why we don't ascribe to a "religion" by mans definition because our god is the most high god and he's not attached to any idols! The Earth is an unknown world... For an example the world we live in is over 70% water and we've been studying the ocean since we came into existence with it but yet we only discovered about 5% of the ocean! As people we don't really know what's out there. We as human beings are trying to unlock the da vinci code of God's creation but even with the technology we're barley scratching the surface. The term "Negro" is just an term at the end of the day we are Hebrews before anything which is the reason why we say "so called Negro" like how you stated above. Ham, Shem and Japheth were the sons of Noah and those are the forefather/descendant of what we know as modern man. Yes there was "humans" or beings before these sons but there was a big reason for the flood and the world was filled with wickedness during this time while the same serpent seeds still rule in today's society but just in spirit instead of physical form. Our ancient forefathers never referred themselves as "Negros" but this is a term created by others to separate the blacks they were trying to put into captivity and distinguish him/her from the Hamitic man/woman. If you even look at the Slave advertisement posters from these times you cant find one advertisement that reads "Africans For Sale" and if you can (and I haven't) it wont be that many, close to none. I got a lot more but the website wouldn't let me post more but I even got one that says "Heeboes For Sale"... The Torah is basically the 1st 5 books of Moses and a lot of Christians don't follow the 1st 5 books of Moses because they're stuck up with the New Testament that they neglect the Old Testament which is another Biblical deception, we don't ascribe to these teachings either your either your in the Bible or your not! The Bible and the Torah are like cousins. The Torah is the beginning of the Hebrew Bible... I think you mean the Tanakh. But we don't ascribe to Judaism because by our understanding and knowledge Judaism is Satanism and they took our identity! Even the Book it says Israel would be ruled by the gentiles! Which is why they are called Israeli's and not the Israelites. Are you familiar with the Kabbalah? There's a reason Hitler did what he did and I don't condone murder against any man, that's man's judgment with the most high... But Hitler wasn't the man the American Jewish media makes him out to be! He just knew who the real Children of Israel was
And it don't matter whether your Shem, Ham or Japheth or whatever you consider yourself we are all from the same bloodline as black people... We are the original man/woman born from the original God
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2015 19:36:19 GMT -5
But earlier you said Shem Ham and Japheth plus 5 others were the only survivors of the flood, I am still not clear if Shem is Negro or not, and as you said Negroes are associated with slavery, the etymology of the term Negro came from the word Niger meaning people of the river, one source said it means in west Semitic water that flows into sand as the river Niger ended in the desert, the Spanish corrupted the name Niger into Negro and because many of the Slaves were from the area of that river, Negro became a familiar association with slavery, but in reality Negro and it's antecedent Niger or Nigeritae is just one of many names interchangeable with each other that meant Black. Ethiops= Black Moor= Black Sudani= black Kmt= Black Kushi=Black Niger/Negro=Black All these terms are for Black folks inhabiting Africa and were at times used interchangeably. And as or Hitler he was a monster that murdered not just Jews but millions of others, he did not give a hoot about whether Jews about him were original or not he murdered them and others because he could.
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2015 19:41:46 GMT -5
Council of Nicaea Sigh Read and Understand Anansi www.gotquestions.org/council-of-Nicea.htmlThey Council Affirmed the Gospels Anansi ^^^Jesus Accepting Worship from Man ^^^Jesus Saying he is the Son of God Understand Family EDIT: So what happened to the Book of Enoch and others and why did the Church broke into Eastern and Western after that.
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Post by Yarawshalam Yasharahla on Aug 28, 2015 20:38:15 GMT -5
But earlier you said you said Shem Ham and Japheth plus 5 others were the only survivors of the flood, I am still not clear if Shem is Negro or not, and as you said Negroes are associated with slavery, the etymology of the term Negro came from the word Niger meaning people of the river, one source said it means in west Semitic water that flows into sand as the river Niger ended in the desert, the Spanish corrupted the name Niger into Negro and because many of the Slaves were from the area of that river Negro became a familiar association with slavery, but in reality Negro and it's antecedent Niger or Nigeritae is just one of many name interchangeable with each other that meant Black. Ethiops= Black Moor= Black Sudani= black Kmt= Black Kushi=Black Niger/Negro=Black All these terms are for Black folks inhabiting Africa and were at times used interchangeably. And as or Hitler he was a monster that murdered not just Jews but millions of others, he did not give a hoot about whether Jews about him were original or not he murdered them and others because he could. Yes, Shem is the so called Negro... Shem are the Hebrews and what people call the so called Negro, and this term is nothing more or less than a title given to us because like I said before our ancient forefathers didn't refer themselves with such a term called "Negro"... You were of your tribe like "Jews" which is short for the Tribe of Judah or the kingdom of Judea. There's different definitions for the word "Negro" and different stories behind the term, similar to the word "Nigger". Yes, a "Negro" is a black man but its a certain kind of black man... For example, Moors means black but its a particular kind of black individuals who converted and worship Islam and a lot of those brothers believe their from the line of Ishmael who is another descendant of Abraham. Then you got Kemet who are basically Egyptologist and believe in Kemetic science who have what I like to call a "free religion" they are not attached to a particular god! Some believes the sun is god and some believes the black woman is god it all depends on the person, remember Egypt is a country and Egyptians participated in Polytheism meaning they had numerous of gods/deities. People also say the word Nigger represents or comes from the people of the Niger. The thing is you are correct when you say all these words means black! Because that's basically the meaning of these words, but with these labels there's different kinds of traditions and beliefs that's attached to these different kinds of black people. Just because something means "black" doesn't makes it all the same, the same way being a Moor or being Kemet means black but are two totally different kinds of black people from different bloodlines and beliefs. The Marrano Jews or the Spanish/Spaniard Jews gave us that label while we was being put into captivity. But before this we wasn't called nor did we refer ourselves as "Negro" or "Niger" and this particular area (West Africa) was even referred to as "Negro Land" and the other was Guinea (which was given by the French) given to us by our captives. You were of your tribe.
Yes Hitler was a mad man I will admit that but there was things that went down that the American media wont dare tell our people! Like when he said the real Jews were "schwartzers" which means black. Or how he said the Jewish would cause chaos and destruction of mankind which the Jewish themselves proved to be true. Who funded slavery in America? We show sympathy for Holocaust when these same people cause the slavery and genocide of our people and they run American right now in 2015! I'm not racist I'm just a realist and that's just me being real... The Nazi Army was more diverse then what people give credit for, the blacks in Germany (and there was a good amount) had a choice to be in the Nazi army or citizens of America and they would rather fight for Hitler than to live in America, was their racism? Yes there was but unfortunately anywhere there's more than one race and one is the majority there will be some kind of racism or supremacy, that's just how it is
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