There goes the neighborhood-Armenoids (ids) are mix Africans

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I am not too familiar with the mumbo-jumbo pseudonyms used by the racialist like Dienekes and Storm Front people etc. But from what little I know they hold Armenians in high regard and is often referenced in their racialist anthropology discussions/debates. So when I saw this paper I decided to take a peek at it not expecting to find anything of significance. Boy, was I wrong.

Not only is the beloved European Armenians admixed with the dreaded sub-saharans but many of present day Armenians are new migrants to Armenia. Apparently the Armenian population can be divided into two clusters or groups.

Man, genetics has thrown us another twist in unraveling the saga of the history of modern Europeans. Stay tuned, the best is yet to come.

I wonder if this paper will be cited in the racialist contemporary debates. Hmmmmmm! Lol!

What is fascinating is how quickly a population shift occurs. Within a few hundred years a population can either disappear or emerge as dominant. Sub-Saharans occupying central Europe 4000BCE (AEians inception) and the Euro Nuts argue that AEians are Europeans. In fact the Sub-Saharans was responsible for the creation of the Armenian Kingdom and civilization. Talk about a mind job



This statement blew my mind :
The oldest mixture events appear to be between populations related to sub-Saharan Africans and West Europeans occurring ~3,800 BCE, followed closely by mixture of Sardinian and Caucasus-related populations. …… East Asian ancestry in Turks from admixture occurring 800 (±170). We also detect sub-Saharan African gene flow 850 (±85) years ago in Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians

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From the study
Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations - Marc Haber1 David Comas 2015

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Armenians have since remained isolated and genetic structure within the population developed ~500 years ago when Armenia was DIVIDED between the Ottomans and the Safavid Empire in Iran. Finally, we show that Armenians have higher genetic affinity to Neolithic Europeans than other present-day Near Easterners, and that 29% of the Armenian ancestry may originate from an ancestral population best represented by Neolithic Europeans.


In this study, we analyse newly-generated genome-wide data from Armenians as well as individuals from 78 other worldwide populations.


themselves highly admixed (Supplementary Table 1). We collected results that were significant (z-score >|4|) and summarized the findings in Table 1 after pooling populations into respective geographical groups. Sardinians appear to have a distinctive admixture pattern from other West Europeans and therefore are shown separately. For tests of genetic affinity to Neolithic Europeans, we merged our samples with the genome of the Tyrolean Iceman

[djoser-xyyman]

For tests of genetic affinity to Mesolithic Europeans, we merged our dataset with the genome of the La Braña sample.21 We downloaded the BAM file mapped to hg19 and called the variants using GATK. The final dataset consisted of 103,627 SNPs.
We applied TreeMix17 rooting the tree with a Denisovan genome, and standard errors were estimated using blocks of 500 SNPs. We generated 100 bootstrap replicates by resampling blocks of 500 SNPs to assess the stability of the tree topology. We used outgroup f3 statistics3,22 in the form of f3(Yoruba; Iceman, X) and f3(Yoruba; La Braña, X) to assess the shared genetic history of the ancient Europeans with the modern populations. In the absence of admixture with Yoruba, deviation from 0 will be a function of the shared genetic history of the ancient Europeans and the non-African population

[djoser-xyyman]

of Anatolia. Previous genetic studies have generally used Turks as representatives of ancient Anatolians. Our results show that Turks are genetically shifted towards Central Asians, a pattern consistent with a history of mixture with populations from this region.




Admixture in the Near East
To formally test for population mixture in Armenians we performed a 3-population test24 in the form of f3(Armenian; A, B) where a significantly negative value of the f3 statistic implies that Armenians descend from a mixture of the populations represented by A and B, chosen from the 78 global populations. We found signals of mixture from several African and Eurasian populations (Table 1, Figure 3). The most significantly negative f3 statistics are formixture of populations related to Sardinians and Central Asians, followed by several mixtures

[djoser-xyyman]

The oldest mixture events appear to be between populations related to sub-Saharan Africans and West Europeans occurring ~3,800 BCE, followed closely by mixture of Sardinian and Caucasus-related populations. Later, several mixture events occurred from 3,000-1,200 BCE involving diverse Eurasian populations (Table 1, Figure 3).
We compared patterns of admixture in Armenians to other regional populations and detected signals of RECENT admixture in most other populations. For example, we find 7.9% (±0.4) East Asian ancestry in Turks from admixture occurring 800 (±170). We also detect sub-Saharan African gene flow 850 (±85) years ago in Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians

[djoser-xyyman]

This structure could be the result of the Western Armenians’ migration to the East after the events of 1915 CE that displaced the entire Western Armenian population. 3) A few Armenians recruited from Chambarak and Maykop (Republic of Adygea, Russia), form an outlier to the two major Armenian clusters (Supplementary Figure S1, Cluster 3).


We found, similarly to our previous clustering results, fine genetic structure that splits Armenians into two major groups that are more similar to each other than to any other global population.
We estimate from the LD patterns that divergence between the two major Armenian groups started 450-575 years ago (Figure 3).

Furthermore, the tree shows the Iceman shared drift with Sardinians, as previously reported.19 We then ran TreeMix allowing it to infer only one migration event, and revealed gene flow from the Iceman to Armenians accounting for about 29% of their ancestry. The graph structure appeared robust in 100 bootstrap replicates with the first migration (highest weight and lowest p-value) always leading from the Iceman to Armenians (Figure 4).


In the absence of admixture with Yoruba, will be a function of the shared genetic history of the Iceman and X (non-African populations). Most shared ancestry with the Iceman is with Sardinians and other Europeans (Supplementary Figure S3). This is directly followed by shared ancestry with some Near Eastern populations: Cypriots, Sephardic Jews, Armenians, and Lebanese Christians. Other Near Easterners such as Turks, Syrians, and Palestinians show less shared ancestry with the Iceman


To investigate if the affinity of the Near East genetic isolates to Europeans precedes the arrival of the early farmers to Europe (represented by the Iceman), we repeated the outgroup f3 statistics and replaced the Iceman with a 7,000 year old European hunter gatherer from Spain (La Braña).21 West European hunter-gatherers have previously been shown to have contributed ancestry to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners.6 Consistent with this, we found reduced affinity and no noticeable structure in the Near Easterners in their relation to La Braña (Supplementary Figure S4) (compared with the Iceman).


Armenians genomes carry signals of extensive population mixture during this period. We note that these mixture dates also COINCIDE with the legendary establishment of Armenia in 2,492 BCE. Admixture signals


We also detect sub-Saharan African gene flow 850 (±85) years ago in Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians, consistent with previous reports on recent gene flow from Africans to Levantine populations after the Arab expansions


We find in Armenians and other genetic isolates in the Near East high shared ancestry with ancient European farmers with ancestry proportions similar to present-day Europeans but not to present-day Near Easterners. These results suggest that genetic isolates in the Near East - Cypriots (an island population), Near Eastern Jews and Christians (religious isolates), and Armenians (Ethno-linguistic isolate) - probably retain features of an ancient genetic landscape in the Near East that had more affinity to Europe than the present populations do. Our tests show that most of the Near East genetic isolates ancestry shared with Europeans can be attributed to expansion after the Neolithic period.


Armenians’ genetic diversity reveals that the ancient Near East had higher affinity to Neolithic Europe than it does now, and that Bronze Age demographic processes had major impact on the genetics of populations in this region.

[djoser-xyyman]

pics to come

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[djoser-xyyman]

What the authors tried to do is correlate genetics and “known” archeological/historical events. As the data shows Africans(whether from Sub-Sahara/Arabia, Levant or the Medit Isles) has always occupied and owned Europe. Africans have civilized and developed Europe whether in ancient times through migrating agriculturist and crafts men or during late historical times, 16th century, through forced slavery working the cane/cotton fields and plantations.



With Sub-Saharans developing the first cities of Mesopotamia. These Neolithic's were removed from dominance but their genes still remains. The replacement apparently took place in the Bronze Age onwards. See the collapse of civilizations during the Bronze age.



Did the new wave of ancient Asian Europeans lead to massive destruction over Europe? Evidently something major and catastrophic occupied during the late Bronze Age.





Anyone notice there is a major effort to since the Lazaridis et al paper on African EEF/ Basal Eurasian to place modern Europeans back in the Steppe. There is a lot of studies now investigating the ancient peoples of the Steppe.



But funning thing is geographically it is impossible for Europeans to be anything else but a sub-set of Africans.



The main problem is the geographic pattern of West Eurasian and European males. R1b to the West and R1a to the East. Someone needs to correlate the age, geography and resolution. This matches mtDNA hg-H with some clades specific to the West Europe/Africa and other clades specific to the Levant/Arabia/East in Europe. Yes, mtDNA H is found in Africa, Europe and the Levant but certain clades are specific to certain regions. Obviously Africa is the source of the female line but the modern white European male is still an enigma.

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Xyman this is my idea on what happened, take a look at this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

ca. 75,000 - 100,000 Greece 429–426 BC Known as Plague of Athens, because it was primarily in Athens. unknown, similar to typhoid

ca. 30% of population Europe, Western Asia, Northern Africa 165–180 Known as Antonine Plague, due to the name of the Roman emperor in power at the time. unknown, symptoms similar to smallpox

Europe 250-266 AD Know as the Plague of Cyprian named after St. Cyprian Bishop of Carthage. unknown, possibly smallpox

ca. 40% of population Europe 541–542 Known as Plague of Justinian, due to the name of the
Byzantine emperor in power at the time. Bubonic plague [1]

30% to 70% of population Europe 1346–1350 Known as "Black Death" or Second plague pandemic, first return of the plague to Europe after the Justinianic plague of the 6th century. plague

Plagues and disease outbreaks in early Europe. 

Obviously Europe's original population were wiped out by these plagues and diseases, and these were the black Europeans. Also Black Europe's civilizations started declining population wise, and the women were not having enough children and became decadent. Society started becoming meaningless and vapid and decadent and hedonistic, because of this Black/Brown Europeans started declining in numbers in population. Then this happened:

The Migration Period, better known as the Barbarian Invasions also referred to as the Völkerwanderung (in German),[1] was a period of intensified barbarian invasion in Europe, often defined from the period when it seriously impacted the Roman world, as running from about 376 to 800 AD[2][3] during the transition from Late Antiquity to the Early Middle Ages. This period was marked by profound changes both within the Roman Empire and beyond its "barbarian frontier". The barbarians who came first were Germanic tribes such as the Goths, Vandals, Angles, Saxons, Lombards, Suebi, Frisii, Jutes and Franks; they were later pushed westwards by the Huns, Avars, Slavs, Bulgars and Alans.[4] Later barbarian invasions (such as the Viking, Norman, Hungarian, Moorish, Turkic, and Mongol invasions) also had significant effects (especially in North Africa, the Iberian peninsula, Anatolia and Central and Eastern Europe); however, they are outside the scope of the Migration Period

These people became the mainstream white europeans and re-populated Europe in huge numbers becoming the modern white people we associate with Europeans. The Black Europeans were already outnumbered and overrun and only consisted of a little less then half the population of Europe proper during this time period.


Then this happened:
www.rooshvforum.com/thread-51709-post-1150682.html#pid1150682

You don't know your history. Most of those Greeks and Romans had disappeared in the Western half of the Roman Empire by 400 AD due to insufficient birthrates. Both the women and men were corrupted, with few caring about creating strong families. The men constantly seeking power and engaged in costly civil wars while the women were vapid and materialistic.



Well over 80% of the fresh population into Southern and Western Europe came from the Germanic Barbarians. We know this because the Latin language all but disappeared (as it's practitioners went extinct) and the only people who survived to chronicle it all were the Christian monks and scholars who also were the only literate ones, along with a small class of Latin Roman nobles.



Meanwhile, in the Eastern Roman Empire, Latin was already dying out to be replaced by Greek. The Greeks in Turkey would end up meeting an unfortunate fate and they too would die out due to plagues, invasion, and political corruption, while Western Europe made a comeback.



The barbarians who became the majority of Europe's ancestors were clannish to the extreme; I have read accounts where if one family so much as insulted another family, it would result in both families engaging in a brawl to the death. Things as simple as accidentally taking someone else's fork in a Tavern could result in the death of dozens. Inbreeding was rampant as trust between families was very low. Disease, malnutrition, birth death for mothers, defects, etc. was very common.



It was the Christian survivors of Rome who began the arduous process of converting the barbarians, and one of their major accomplishments was to break down the rigid clans whose patriarchs could dictate life and death of all it's members. Christians also taught these barbarians the rule of law and to hold individuals accountable rather than entire families guilty for the crime of just one member.



Finally, the Christians rounded up the many single children and bastard children of the last Romans, and intermarried them into the Germanic barbarian population.



Now, would Whites have survived without Christianity? Maybe. But I don't need to contest that. I just need to show that the vast majority of Europeans today came from the Christian practices of family and law, that Modern Europeans are successful hybrid creations between Germanic barbarians and the last Romans, and that it was the only real force for legal authority for nearly 1000 years in Western Europe after Western Rome's collapse whose traditions remained dominant well into the 20th century.



However, my personal opinion is that the Whites would have remained in the bronze age or close to it without Christianity. I infer this because the Byzantines encountered many different groups of White Alpine people's to the north of the Baltic sea as well as in the Balkans who were all pagan. Again, these Whites were extremely violent, illiterate, clannish, and brutish by any comparison to a White today or a Byzantine Greek back then. They were further behind on the evolutionary scale.



It wasn't until the Byzantines managed to convert these peoples around them did their ascent into a stronger civilization began. To support my thesis that Whites would not be anything today without Christianity, many of these same White groups (Russians, Hungarians, Slovakians, etc.) who converted ended up being the same White groups to resist Islam after they conquered the Byzantines in 1453 and keep them out of Europe. Just like the Crusades, without Christianity to unite the Whites they would have fallen separately to Islamic invasion, and there are many accounts to attest to this.



So, to recap, this isn't crazy history, this all happened and there is extensive research into this subject already. I learned about it after reading a book by Harvard professor called Family and Civilization by Carle C. Zimmerman (a Talmudic Jew, so we know it's not just some Christian apologist who wants to make his faith look good) who spoke fluent Latin and Greek and read quite literally thousands of ancient sources before concluding on the above thesis. This book was his life's achievement. Many, many writers back in ancient times talked about the birth dearth, as well as the Christians efforts to civilize the Germanic hordes.



Eventually, the Germanic barbarians stopped speaking their Gallic tongues but did not speak Latin either; the fusion between Gallic and Latin became what we know today as "Italian." By the time Dante wrote his Inferno in 1300, Italian had become the de facto language of the country and Dante's work is widely considered the first real Italian story to set the standard of the language.



Also, for those who are curious:



Spanish = Arab (from their Moorish rulers) + Latin

French = Latin + Nordics

Modern English = Old English + French



The evolution of languages can tell us what groups were reproducing and where.



Thus, when you see those ancient pictures of Socrates above, know that you are looking at a strain of White genes that almost went extinct before Christianity saved it to create the far more superior Whites out of barbarian stock.

Besides the Ancient Greeks being white part which is wrong, this is exactly how it was in Europe with barbarian tribes back then.


Europe becoming overpopulated with central asian albino's and other albino's and so conflict occurred naturally:

1066 Norman Conquest
1096 - 1291 Crusades
1096 - 1099 First Crusade
1101 Crusade of 1101
1147 - 1149 Second Crusade
1187 - 1191 Third Crusade
1202 - 1204 Fourth Crusade
1209 - 1229 Albigensian Crusade
1212 Children's Crusade (Often believed to be just a story)
1217 - 1221 Fifth Crusade
1228 Sixth Crusade
1248 - 1254 Seventh Crusade
1270 Eighth Crusade
1271 - 1291 Ninth Crusade
1293 - 1323 War between Sweden and Novgorod ended up with Treaty of Nöteborg
1296 - 1328 First War of Scottish Independence
1332 - 1333 Second War of Scottish Independence
1337 - 1453 Hundred Years' War
1341 - 1364 Breton War of Succession
1420 - 1436 Hussite Wars
1454 - 1466 Thirteen Years' War. Between Poland and Teutonic Knights, which finally broke the power of the latter.
1455 - 1485 Wars of the Roses
1474 - 1477 War between the Duchy of Burgundy and the Swiss Confederation
1478 - War between the Principality of Moscow and the Republic of Novgorod. The latter was conquered.
1494 - 1559 Italian Wars
1494 - 1498 Charles VIII's Italian War
1499 - 1500 Louis XII's war with Milan
1500 - 1502 Franco-Spanish Conquest of Naples
1502 - 1505 Franco-Spanish War over Naples
1508 - 1510 War of the League of Cambrai
1510 - 1513 War of the Holy League
1511 - 1514 Anglo-French War
1513 Anglo-Scottish War (Battle of Flodden)
1515 - 1516 Francis I's first Italian war
1521 - 1525 First war of Francis and Charles V
1521-1525 Anglo-French War
1526 - 1529 War of the League of Cognac
1536 - 1538 Third War of Francis and Charles
1542 - 1544 Last War of Francis and Charles
1542 - 1546 Anglo-French War
1542 - 1550 Anglo-Scottish War
1549 - 1550 Anglo-French War
1552 - 1559 Last Italian War
1557 - 1559 Anglo-French War
1495 - 1497 Russo-Swedish War
1499 - 1503 Turkish-Venetian War1509 - 1513 Ottoman Civil War
1514 - 1516 Ottoman-Safavid War
1515 - 1523 Rebellion of the Frisians
1516 - 1517 Ottoman-Mamluk War
1521 - 1523 The Swedish War of Liberation
1521 - 1523 Uprising of the Comuneros in Castile
1521 - 1526 Ottoman-Hungarian War
1522 Ottoman Conquest of Rhodes
1522 The Knights' War in Germany
1524 - 1525 The Peasants' War in Germany
1526 - 1528 Hungarian Civil War
1526 - 1555 Ottoman-Safavid War
1528 - 1533 Ottoman-Habsburg War in Hungary
1531 Swiss Civil War between Zürich and the Catholic cantons
1532 - 1546 Ottoman-Habsburg War in the Mediterranean
1533 - 1536 The Counts' War in Denmark
1537 - 1544 Renewed Ottoman-Habsburg War in Hungary
1546 - 1547 Schmalkaldic War
1551 - 1562 Ottoman-Habsburg War in Hungary
1551 - 1581 Ottoman-Habsburg War in the Mediterranean (Battle of Lepanto (1571))
1552 - 1555 Charles V's war with Maurice of Saxony
1554 - 1557 Great Russian War
1557 - 1571 Livonian War
1559 - 1560 Scottish Rebellion against the French
1562 - 1598 Wars of Religion in France, also called War of the Three Henries or Huguenot Wars

1562 - 1563 First War of Religion
1567 - 1568 Second War of Religion
1568 - 1570 Third War of Religion
1572 - 1573 Fourth War of Religion
1575 - 1576 Fifth War of Religion
1576 - 1577 Sixth War of Religion
1580 Seventh War of Religion (Lovers' War)
1585 - 1598 Eighth War of Religion
1589 - 1598 Franco-Spanish War
1562 - 1568 Ottoman-Habsburg War in Hungary
1563 - 1570 Northern Seven Years' War also known as Dano-Swedish War
1566 (or 1568) - 1648 Eighty Years' War (war of Dutch independence)
1566(or 1568) - 1609 First Phase
1621 - 1648 Second Phase
1567 - 1573 Scottish Civil War
1568 - 1571 Morisco Revolt in Spain
1570 - 1595 Twenty-five Years' War between Sweden and Russia
1577 - 1582 Livonian War (Poland vs. Russia)
1577 - 1590 Turkish-Persian War
1580 - 1583 Portuguese Civil War
1585 - 1604 Anglo-Spanish War (Spanish Armada, 1588)
1590 - 1606 "Long War" between the Empire and the Turks
1594 - 1603 Tyrone Rebellion in Ireland
1596 - 1597 The Cudgel War in Finland
1600 - 1611 Polish-Swedish War

1602 - 1612 Turkish-Persian War
1609 - 1618 Russo-Polish War
1610 - 1617 Ingrian War between Sweden and Russia
1611 - 1613 War of Kalmar between Sweden and Denmark
1613 - 1617 Russo-Swedish War
1614 - 1621 Polish-Turkish War
1616 - 1618 Turkish-Persian War
1617 - 1629 Polish-Swedish War
1618 - 1648 Thirty Years' War across Europe, ends with the Peace of Westphalia.
1618 - 1625 Bohemian/Palatine Phase
1618 - 1629 Austro-Transylvanian War
1625 - 1629 Danish Phase
1625 - 1630 Anglo-Spanish War
1626 - 1630 Anglo-French War
1627 - 1631 War of the Mantuan Succession
1630 - 1635 Swedish Phase
1635 - 1648 French Phase
1635 - 1659 Franco-Spanish War (ending with the Treaty of the Pyrenees)
1645 Renewed Austro-Transylvanian War
1623 - 1638 Turkish-Persian War
1625 - 1629 Huguenot Uprising in France
1632 - 1634 Russo-Polish War
1634 Polish-Swedish War
1637 Pequot War
1639 - 1652 English Civil War

1639 First Bishops' War
1640 Second Bishops' War
1641 - 1650 Irish War
1642 - 1646 First Civil War
1648 Second Civil War
1650 - 1652 Scottish Uprising
1640 - 1656 Catalan Revolt
1640 - 1668 Portuguese War of Independence
1645 - 1670 Turkish-Venetian War
1648 - 1653 The Fronde
1648 - 1649 First Fronde
1650 - 1653 Second Fronde
1648 - 1660 The Deluge/Northern Wars, A series of wars involving Poland, Sweden, Brandenburg, Russia and Transylvania and Denmark
1648 - 1654 Cossack Revolt against Poland
1654 - 1656 Russo-Polish War
1655 - 1656 Swedish-Brandenburg War
1655 - 1660 Polish-Swedish War
1656 - 1658 Russo-Swedish War
1656 - 1660 Danish-Swedish War
1657 - 1660 Dutch-Swedish War
1658 - 1667 Russo-Polish War
1652 - 1654 First Anglo-Dutch War
1656 - 1659 Anglo-Spanish War
1657 - 1662 Turkish-Transylvanian War
1662 - 1664 Austro-Turkish War

1665 - 1667 Second Anglo-Dutch War preceded by the capture of New Amsterdam, renamed New York City
1667 - 1668 War of Devolution
1671 - 1676 Polish-Turkish War
1672 - 1678 Dutch War
1672 - 1674 Third Anglo-Dutch War
1672 - 1679 War between Brandenburg and Sweden
1675 - 1679 Scanian War between Sweden and Denmark
1675 - 1676 King Philip's War
1678 - 1681 Russo-Turkish War
1682 - 1699 War of the Holy League (Austria, Venice, and Poland vs. Ottomans
1685 Monmouth's Rebellion
1688 - 1697 War of the Grand Alliance
1689 - 1691 Irish Jacobite Uprising
1695 - 1700 Russo-Turkish War
1700 - 1721 Great Northern War between a coalition of Denmark/Norway, Russia and Saxony/Poland on one side and Sweden on the other side
1710 - 1711 Russo-Turkish War, 1710-11, a part of the Great Northern War
1715 - 1717 Polish revolt against King Augustus II
1701 - 1714 War of Spanish Succession
1702 - 1713 Queen Anne's War The North American part of the War of Spanish Succession
1703 - 1711 Hungarian Revolt
1714 - 1718 Turko-Venetian War
1715 - 1716 Jacobite Rebellion also known as "The Fifteen"
1716 - 1718 Austro-Turkish War
1718 - 1720 War of the Quadruple Alliance

1722 - 1723 Russo-Persian War 1722-1723
1722 - 1727 Turco-Persian War
1727 - 1729 largely bloodless Spanish war with England and France
1730 - 1736 Turco-Persian War
1733 - 1738 War of the Polish Succession
1736 - 1739 Russo-Turkish War
1737 - 1739 Austro-Turkish War
1740 - 1748 War of the Austrian Succession
1739 - 1748 War of Jenkins' Ear
1740 - 1742 1st Silesian War
1741 - 1743 Hats' Russian War between Sweden and Russia
1744 - 1748 King George's War The North American part of the War of Austrian Succession
1744 - 1745 2nd Silesian War
1744 - 1748 First Carnatic War
1745 - 1746 "The Forty-five"
1743 - 1747 Turco-Persian War
1749 - 1754 Second Carnatic War
1756 - 1763 Seven Years' War, known as the French and Indian War in the United States, and also 3rd Silesian War
1761 - 1763 Spanish-Portuguese War
1763 - 1766 Pontiac's Rebellion
1768 - 1774 Russo-Turkish War
1768 - 1776 War of the Confederation of Bar in Poland
1773 - 1774 Pugachev's Rebellion
1774 - 1783 First Anglo-Maratha War
1775 - 1783 American Revolutionary War

1778 - 1783 Anglo-French War
1779 - 1783 Anglo-Spanish War
1780 - 1784 Anglo-Dutch War
1777 - 1779 War of the Bavarian Succession
1785 - 1787 Dutch Civil War
1787 - 1791 Austro-Turkish War
1787 - 1792 Russo-Turkish War
1788 - 1790 Gustav III's Russian War also known as Russo-Swedish War
1791 - 1804 Haiti Revolutionary War
1792 War in defence of the constitution in Poland
1792 - 1802 French Revolutionary Wars
1792 - 1797 War of the First Coalition
1792 - 1795 Franco-Prussian War
1792 - 1797 Franco-Austrian War
1793 - 1795 Franco-Spanish War
1793 - 1795 Franco-Dutch War
1793 - 1802 Franco-British War
1798 - 1801 War of the Second Coalition
1798 - 1799 Franco-Russian War
1799 - 1801 Franco-Austrian War
1798 - 1801 Quasi War
1794 Kosciuszko Uprising in Poland
1795 - 1798 United Irishmen Revolt

Combined with this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period (Medieval Climate Optimum).[1] While it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into the scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[2] It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries,[3][4][5] or alternatively, from about 1300[6] to about 1850,[7][8][9] although climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. The NASA Earth Observatory notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming.[5] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.[10]



Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, an inherent variability in global climate, or DECREASES in the human population

The Black Europeans were all exterminated, absorbed, died or sent to the new world as slaves after and during all this happening. Then this happened:

Now you don't seem to understand the big picture of my theory/idea and the significance of it in explaining who these european albino's are. Otherwise you would realize just how relevant it is.

When we look at traditional "white groups" in Europe, such as Germans/Scandinavians/Irish/ etc etc etc, we find a confusing set of DNA patterns and genes.

First we find that even modern day Europeans have major non-white haplogroups as their primary DNA markers, and they are primarily from different areas of the globe. We find that they have afro-asiatic haplogroup R1b and Eurasian haplogroup R1a and a spattering of other african rooted black genes as well.

Accordingly they should be pretty dark and "normal" looking which they aren't. Except for areas in Southern Europe, even the Europeans with african or foreign haplogroups are extremely white looking or just not "normal" looking.

The obvious explanation is of course albinism, but what gets confusing is the combination of genes that they have and why White Europeans look distinct from even Dravidian and African albino's to an extent, which you can see if you look at pictures carefully.


It seems as though they are a distinct race of albino's that even the skeptic will find it hard to believe they are albino's just based on their distinctive looks alone. So there has to be an explanation; Cavorlli-Savofza and all the genetic studies proves the genetics of these "white groups" and how black rooted and dravidian rooted they are but still the puzzle remains as to their distinct appearance from other albino populations.

Yet these people are some of the most albino looking on earth and yet how did they come to be so white, despite carrying all these dark group genes like R1b and R1a? And how did they evolve as a distinct group themselves from the rest of the planet? Even the albino Nuristani, Kalash, and Afghans look kinda different from white Europeans despite sharing similar genes like R1a!

And how come there are so many of them in Europe today when albinism is rare? Surely the climate of Europe has to be favorable to someone with albinism as well as the geography.


So my explanation is the answer to all this:

Here is what happened in simple terms:

1)Europe was settled by Blacks from Africa, some of whom had albino's of their own, as seen by the blue eyes of the hunter gatherers there A MAJOR CLUE! They carried genetic haplogroup R1b and genes like I etc etc.

2) The favorable climate of Europe towards these albino's who carried R1b, allowed them to seek refuge in caves, in mountains and in the northern parts of Europe, allowing them to inbreed with each other and hide from black europeans. They breed a sizable population of themselves in Europe.

3) Europe still had a sizable black European population all over, and they start giving these Black European albino's, who carried R1b, the tanzanian treatment and start attacking and enslaving them and preventing them into their civilizations in Europe.

4) The Dravidian albino's have started settling Eurasia and Central Asia/Siberia in general, aka the Kurgan people; they start tearing down forests and just being expansionary people. They hear about more fertile places and better places in Europe, the Middle East, South Asia etc. Competition with themselves and Mongoloids bring them to arrive in these locations in waves with the horse.

These people carried haplogroup R1a, and are mostly R1a in genetic composition, they are the present day dravidian albino's of Eastern Europe and the Baltics who are also mostly R1a.

5) The first wave of Dravidian albino's arrive in Europe and immediately there is conflict between them and the Black Europeans. The Black Europeans are forced to accommodate the Dravidian albino's because they have superior cavalry in terms of how many horses they have brought with them. This results in the greek "centaur myth".

6) The Dravidian albino's breed and mix with the black Europeans AND WITH THE ALBINO BLACK EUROPEANS AS WELL! The Dravidian albino's allowed some of the black European R1b albino's some freedom.

7) There are still Black European albino's scattered across Europe, and in particular northern european since Europe is thickly covered in forests.

8) Fast forward several hundred years, civilizations and societies are popping up all over Europe with the expansion of the Greeks and the Roman empire. Black Europeans start increasing in population AS WELL AS THEIR ALBINO'S WHO CARRIED R1b AND SOME OF THE MIXED R1a/R1b Dravidian Albino/Black European mixed people!

9) Due to conflict, wars, need for more land and resources, more and more Dravidian Albino's start coming in waves like illegal mexican immigrants, INTO EUROPE, as a result of the expansion of the Hunnic/Mongolian empires of the Central Asia steppes, as well their failure to secure land in area in the Middle East due to defeats at the hands of people like the Assyrians.

10) This huge population influx of nomadic steppe barbaric dravidian albino's and the resultant conflict with the Huns/mongoloids, causes a disturbance of the status quo and black european civilizations in Europe.

11) By the time the waves of Dravidian albino's start arriving in Europe, there are already a large number of R1b Black European albino's as WELL AS MIXED R1a DRAVIDIAN/EUROPEAN BLACK MIXED OFF-SPRING!

12) The huge albino migrant population in Europe, hailing from Central Asia, are seen as how Mexicans are seen today in the U.S, by the black Europeans. They start demanding power and start to seek to usurp and take over Europe.

13) They ally with the mixed black Europeans and R1b Black European albino population of Europe and attack Black European society and civilization. They rampage and destroy most of black European civilization such as in the thirty years war and the fall of the Roman empire. THEY HOWEVER MIX WITH THE R1B BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO POPULATIONS!

14) The Dravidian/Black European Albino mix population have a demographic upperhand and a numerical upperhand in population due to the decline of black European civilization in Europe due to time by now.

15) Eventually the Black Europeans and the mixed non-albino Black Europeans are either exterminated, killed, or sent off to different places but particularly in the New world, by the combination of Black European albino's and Dravidian albino's.

16) This increases and whitens Europe's main demographics tremendously, and the Dravidian and Black European albino's have now bred with each other extensively RESULTING IN MODERN WESTERN/EUROPEAN POPULATIONS TODAY!

17) This explains how Western Europeans and even Central Europeans are so goddamn albino white today DESPITE CARRYING ALL THESE DIFFERENT AFRICAN/WOG GENES AND STILL BEING SO GODDAMN WHITE!

18) This explains the HUGE PRESENCE, of haplogroup R1b in Western Europe, WHICH THE DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S DO NOT HAVE! If we were to mix a Dravidian albino with a black European, the resultant admixture would be relatively swarthy as we can see in Southern Europe.

19) How does one explain then how North-Western European populations are so white today, despite genetically being the admixture of Black Europeans/and Dravidian albino's as seen by their sharing of haplo R1a and R1b?

The ANSWER IS OBVIOUS! THEY ARE THE RESULT OF BLACK EUROPEANS ALBINO'S AND DRAVIDIAN EURASIAN ALBINO'S MIXING AND BREEDING WITH EACH OTHER, THIS GENETIC DIVERSITY ALLOWED THEM TO BREED A LARGE POPULATION, WHERAS PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE TOO INBRED TO BREED A LARGE POPULATION! THE CLIMATE OF EUROPE ALSO HELPED THEM BREED A LARGE POPULATION OF ALBINO'S!

THE BLACK EUROPEANS WERE KILLED AND SENT OFF AWAY, ALLOWING THESE TWO ALBINO POPULATIONS TO SAFELY BREED AND CREATE A POPULATION OF THEIR OWN IN WESTERN/NORTHERN EUROPE!

So my example of whitening them up IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT ILLUSTRATES HOW MODERN NORTH-WEST EUROPEANS ARE SO ALBINO AND ARE AN ALBINO RACE, YET IT ALSO EXPLAINS HOW MODERN WESTERN EUROPEANS LOOK DISTINCT FROM DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S TODAY!

This distinct White European look of Western and northern Europeans, separate to that of albino's elsewhere, IS THE RESULT OF DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S BREEDING WITH BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO'S EXCLUSIVELY!

Understand everything now guys?

As proved by this:

Mike, you have proved time and time again that Europe had black european populations as evidenced by the picture, which I don't contest or argue against!

And you have proved that the albino Basque are extremely inbred and are distant from other white europeans genetically and maybe one of the oldest ancient groups in Europe today according to reports.

Now why is it so unbelievable to claim that the albino basque pictured above and WHO LIVE IN EUROPE TODAY, are actually remnants of Black Europe's unmixed albino populations?

The Irish and the Albino people from the British Isles have distinct genes and also have haplogroup R1b as a major component and are infact related to the Basque on a genetic level as do the albino French.

However the difference between the albino Irish and the albino French, and other albino British Isles from the albino basque people, is that all of them have A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF HAPLOGROUP R1A WHICH HAS ORIGINS IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH ASIA!

The albino's of Germany, Scandinavia, the British Isles, France seem to be a HYBRID POPULATION OF CENTRAL ASIAN R1A DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S AND ALBINO BASQUE R1B LIKE POPULATIONS FROM EUROPE'S ANCIENT PAST!

The Basque themselves don't really have central asian albino R1a admixture but are mainly R1b which is not really found in R1a heavy Central and South Asia in significant numbers.

Yet we can see in the picture today that the Basque are pretty albino looking as well. So why is it far fetched to claim that Black Europeans had their own albino's and groups like the Basque people with heavy R1b are the REMNANTS OF BLACK EUROPE'S ALBINO POPULATION FROM THE PAST?

How could the Basque not be proof that Europe had depopulation periods of Black Europeans, where the black European albino Basque were not affected or targeted by other albino's from Central Asia, and that they mixed with R1a Dravidian Albino's in Western Europe after this black depopulation period to create modern day albino Euro's like Germans, Brits, Swedes, French, Danes, Norwegians, Irish, Scottish, English, Austrians, Belgians, Dutch etc etc etc?

AND THERE IS PROOF OF THAT RIGHT HERE!


Notice the high percentage of haplogroup R1b in Western Europeans AS OPPOSED TO HAPLOGROUP R1a WHICH IS THE DRAVIDIAN ALBINO EURASIAN STEPPE HAPLOGROUP!

The R1b in Europe is more related to albino groups like Ancient European groups like Basque people who are more rooted in Europe then R1a Dravidian albino's from Central Asia and Eastern Europe.

Yet we see that modern Western Europeans ARE A HYBRID POPULATION OF DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S IN THE FORM OF HAPLO R1A AND BASQUE ALBINO'S IN THE FORM OF HAPLO R1B!

I'm not trying to contest or challenge you Mike, I just want to refine and expand on already key existing ideas and concepts discovered by you and people at Egyptsearch. And I'm claiming this and doing so, OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOU GUYS! I deeply admire and respect your work and other's work here which is why I don't mock or make fun of people's ideas here, especially yours.

So there is no need for the hostility and stand-offish tone.

www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=010772;p=2#000071

And voila! You get modern White Europe and the "west/Western civilization" and all the white people/ethnic groups in Europe today!

[djoser-xyyman]

As I said before. I am not into images and features. I based my conclusions on hard science. Dravidians on genetically more distant to modern "Africans" than we think. Dravidians do NOT carry R1b nor R1a and thus have very little connection to Europeans. Yes, Dravidians were probably part of the metapopulation that occupied Europe but they were essentially replaced by Neolithics and Bronze Age people IN Europe. Europeans are NOT Dravidian Albinos.

[mindovermatter]

Dec 1, 2015 22:20:32 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

As I said before. I am not into images and features. I based my conclusions on hard science. Dravidians on genetically more distant to modern "Africans" than we think. Dravidians do NOT carry R1b nor R1a and thus have very little connection to Europeans. Yes, Dravidians were probably part of the metapopulation that occupied Europe but they were essentially replaced by Neolithics and Bronze Age people IN Europe. Europeans are NOT Dravidian Albinos.

YES THEY ARE! THEY ARE LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME RACE! HAPLOGROUP R1A ORIGIN WAS IN SOUTH ASIA, FROM THERE IT TRAVELED TO CENTRAL ASIA THEN  TO EUROPE! THERE IS HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR THIS AS WELL AS GENETIC! 

HERE ARE INDIAN ALBINO'S:












THESE ARE INDIAN ALBINO's! THEY COULD BLEND IN ANYWHERE IN MODERN CENTRAL AND NORTHERN EUROPE TODAY! THIS IS A FACT! YOU HAVE EVIDENCE RIGHT HERE! I AM USING ACTUAL HARD SCIENCE EVIDENCE FOR MY CLAIMS! NOW THERE IS THIS:








HONESTLY WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED WHEN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE PINPOINTS TO THE ALBINO CONCLUSION? WHITE EUROPEANS CARRY ALL FOUR ALBINO CANDIDATE GENES TO BE CONSIDERED CANDIDATES FOR ALBINISM (OCA2, SLC24A2, TYR, TYRP1) ETC!

Why is it in the U.S and the world in general, that whenever you go north THE PERCENTAGE OF WHITE POPULATIONS INCREASE WHEREAS THE WHITE POPULATION DECREASES WHEN YOU GO TO HIGH TEMP AND HIGH SUNLIGHT AREAS? HOW COME WHITES CANNOT SURVIVE THE SUN AND HEAT AND HISTORICALLY NEEDED BLACKS/BROWNS TO DO THE WORK FOR THEM LIKE LABOR AND FARMING AND BUILDING? IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALBINO'S! IT IS OBVIOUS AS NIGHT AND DAY AND THE SKY BEING BLUE!

Now the only explanation needed for White Europe's population genes, is the mystery of Haplogroup R1b which is more of an Afro-Asiatic haplogroup; and for that my explanation is sufficient and explains everything.  

[mindovermatter]

Here is my simple explanation on how white europeans came to exist as R1b and R1a hybrids in Western Europe:

Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
[QB] Here is how i see it everyone; if you don't understand or comprehend what i'm saying, here is my idea:

When you mix this guy, genetically speaking:
African albino:

With either of these guys: Indian albino


or


you get these guys:





When you mix this guy


with this guy, genetically:


You get this guy


Why is this idea so hard to grasp? And genetic evidence does support me from the mixture of genes and genetic haplogroups such as R1b and R1a existing in Scandinavians and Germanics.

And why is it so hard to believe that an African/black albino would breed with a Dravidian/Central Asian albino or intermarry within each other's families, if they ever met each other in a place like Europe in the 1700's or later? ESPECIALLY in the presence of large numbers of black Europeans IN EUROPE at the time period? [/QB]

These mixtures created modern White Western Europeans today, and the genetic reports and charts indicate it so far....

[mindovermatter]

And Xyman, if you don't believe me that the Dravidians don't have a high R1a percentage check this map out:

That's a lot of high R1a packed in India over there!