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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 25, 2015 20:15:31 GMT -5
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The above painting of a slave market in Zabid in Yemen was produced in Iraq by the same person that painted the one above it. It may suggest many people north of Arabia including Yahyah, the painter himself, didn't know what Arabians looked like, or else it may have been meant to reflect the Persian presence in the region of Yemen. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FEAR OF BLACKNESS SERIES: Guide to the Ethnic Origins of the "Infernal" and “Black Saracen”
By Dana Reynolds
QUOTE Because of the Arab script used by peoples of Iraq, historians are inclined to call the people depicted herein "Arabs". A Baghdadi named Yahya ibn Mahmud painted this group of people of obviously Turkman or Turkoman origins, probably his own people then in control of Iraq and Syria. This is the Abbasid period when people of Turkish and Turko-Persian origin had taken over control the former Arab caliphate of the Ummayads. As is obvious from the painting the people depicted probably have of Turkoman or "Mongol" origin in Central Asia. From the Turkoman rulers of Central Asia issued many of the early Moguls of India and Shahs of Persia and the ruling class of the Abbasids, former slave-soldiers of the Arabs.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 25, 2015 20:16:28 GMT -5
May be Sage don't know what he is talking about. You don't usually blow smoke. Maybe you are still hot under the collar.
YES!! They are Turks
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Post by anansi on Mar 25, 2015 20:26:58 GMT -5
Ok so you didn't read the caption following the pic? look at the following: Abu Zayd from Saruj,a town in northern Syria ,as told by Al Harith (the seated Black man),a sober and slightly gullible merchant travelling from place to place.
The above seated Black man is not supposed to be there. Oh I thought you knew the above with caption was Mike111 of ES.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 26, 2015 4:39:27 GMT -5
I don't get it. What seated black man is not suppose to be there? This is the original, without the English translation Ok so you didn't read the caption following the pic? look at the following: Abu Zayd from Saruj,a town in northern Syria ,as told by Al Harith (the seated Black man),a sober and slightly gullible merchant travelling from place to place.
The above seated Black man is not supposed to be there. Oh I thought you knew the above with caption was Mike111 of ES.
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Post by anansi on Mar 26, 2015 5:27:17 GMT -5
I don't get it. What seated black man is not suppose to be there? This is the original, without the English translation Ok so you didn't read the caption following the pic? look at the following: Abu Zayd from Saruj,a town in northern Syria ,as told by Al Harith (the seated Black man),a sober and slightly gullible merchant travelling from place to place.
The above seated Black man is not supposed to be there. Oh I thought you knew the above with caption was Mike111 of ES. The yellow caption on Mike's 111 pic, he inserted the words seated Black man thus implying that the brother is Al Harith,while he have a great pic library it's stuff like that,that cause me to not use his stuff.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Mar 26, 2015 13:51:25 GMT -5
Truthteacher said:Not denying that in the least, but just warning of the fact that any pics of Blacks out side of the continent proper is automatically assumed to be of slave origin must be looked at critically. These pics are we to assume without any context that any of the above are slaves or slave of origins?? it could very well be that the pic depicting Blacks at the slave mart were indeed Slaves, but it is not an assumption or conclusion id jump to anymore as I previously did..btw X Man, stop using Mikes pics Al~Takruri is right he add stuff in that's not supposed to be there. The last pic is not from the Maqāmāt. The very white/lite skinned dude doing carpentry if he was black would we make the assumption slave or carpenter?,two guys on a camel is the assumption that they are both travelling merchants or is the Black the slave of the white, the Blacks crew and capt passenger whites are we to assume these are slaves or a crew made up of Swahili or Somali sailors. I fully agree with you and I never meant to imply that every depiction of an African is of a slave. It was not so cut and dry and simple. It would be foolish to deny that Arabs did indeed engage in the African slave trade, but it would be equally foolish to not acknowledge the fact that many Africans migrated to Arab lands and settled there because they were either merchants or students. As for the statement that was quoted saying that Arabs didn't make lithographs depicting humans, this is not true. In the early period of the Islamic Empires, it was indeed very common, especially in Baghdad. The style of dress and artistic style is very much in keeping with this time period. Also, lest we forget, the many miniatures that survive from Andalusian Spain. The total ban on such depictions didn't come about until a later date. Although it went out of vogue in the Arab world, it was very much alive and well in Turkey, Persia and Moghul India.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Mar 26, 2015 13:59:08 GMT -5
May be Sage don't know what he is talking about. You don't usually blow smoke. Maybe you are still hot under the collar. YES!! They are Turks So are all the Andalusian miniatures Turkish as well?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 26, 2015 18:29:46 GMT -5
I am all for an intelligent discussion. We have to understand context. I assume you have some level of intelligence. Give me the translation of the "mianitures" and we can talk like adults. Nevertheless, the picture I posted. OP. The blacks are buying the slaves. THEY ARE NOT SLAVES...per the translations. So my followup question is 'were there REALLY African slaves'? Or is it all made up BS. For those who don't know. The current genetic evidence shows African lineage have been in Yemen since the Helocene. that is , over 12,000ya!!! I didn't hear you! May be Sage don't know what he is talking about. You don't usually blow smoke. Maybe you are still hot under the collar. YES!! They are Turks So are all the Andalusian miniatures Turkish as well?
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 26, 2015 22:57:41 GMT -5
I had always been under the impression that Islam, prohibiting idolatry, had no place for realistic 3D and 2D art that is more or less presenting '3D'. When I first saw the miniatures I chalked them up to heterodox Persian artists because of the eyes but still wondered about that since the average Irani eye is not epicanthic. But with discussion on al~Hariri's Maqamat illos I finally know the facts of Mongol- Turk inspiration onto former Christian Iraqi art. As far as I know, the originally Arabic speaking Arabs in the peninsula (Yemen Oman Saudi) only simulate the form of living things via calligraphy shaped like a creature. Iraqis speak Arabic today but it was not their pre-Islam language. It's no revelation Syrians, Lebanese, Gaza Strip 'Phillistines' were all Syriac Aramean language speakers so they are neither Qahtan nor Adnan they are 'Arab ul-Musta'ribah, i.e. people with no Arab bloodlines who have adopted the ways of the Arabs. SIDEBAR: pre-2500 BCE ---- al-'Arab ul-'Aribah or pure Arabs (South Arabian Kushites of the oldest purest blood lines and civilization c. 1800 BCE ------ al-'Arab ul-Muta'aribah or mixed Arabs (northern invaders on southern indigenees c. post-500 BCE -- al-'Arab ul-Musta'ribah or wannabe Arabs (arabized settlers not originally of any Arab ethnicity thenile.phpbb-host.com/phpbb/sutra4112.php&highlight=ulmustaribah#4112
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Post by MorolongDithabeng on Mar 27, 2015 3:06:24 GMT -5
It is not comforting but these are the facts of history no matter how unpalatable they are. We have to face facts unless we want to turn our history into a fantasy that in the end will be more harmful than the lies and distortions of our histories fabricated by Eurocentrics and the other ignoramuses and haters. True
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 27, 2015 4:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Mar 27, 2015 22:29:17 GMT -5
Sorry Xyyman have to wait for an Arabic speaker/reader to chime in,I pounded the key board looking for a translation for the above pics.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 28, 2015 19:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Mar 28, 2015 20:35:17 GMT -5
Oh Okey thanks as always.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 29, 2015 4:47:16 GMT -5
[quote author=" Tukuler al~Takruri" source="/post/12017/thread" timestamp="1427589271 A xlation was given on ES by [/quote] I repeat ...for those who can read.. Anyone have the translation for the ***FOLLOWING*** I am still waiting on the translation. I am yet to see an African "slave" in Yemen/Arabia. In the OP the blacks are NOT Slaves. ANYONE??!!
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