Are the ancient people of the Levant and Arabia of African

[history91]

origin? Bedouins, people from Saudi Arabia and Yemen as well as Hebrews what is there connection to Africa? 

[djoser-xyyman]

egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1978/bedouins-arabia-origins

[djoser-xyyman]

The most striking characteristic of the Dead Sea sample is the high prevalence of R1*-M173 lineages (40%), contrasting with the lack of them and of its derivates R1b3-M269 in Bedouin from Nebel et al. (2001) and its low frequencies in Amman. It is worth mentioning that until now, similar frequencies for R1*-M173 have only been found in northern Cameroon (Cruciani et al. 2002). The possibility that the Dead Sea and Cameroon are isolated remnants of a past broad human expansion deserves future studies.



To SUM UP, this Alu population analysis reinforces the genetic distinctiveness of Bedouins suggesting that they have had an important role in the peopling of Jordan AND PROBABLY CONSTITUTE THE ORIGINAL SUBSTRATE OF THIS POPULATION.



Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1978/bedouins-arabia-origins#ixzz4HRtrvbEl

[history91]

What about the people from Yemen? They are connection to Africa.

[djoser-xyyman]

I am not sure if you are geographically challenged or not. But Yemen is actually IN Arabia. But Yemenese are MORE related to South Saharan Africans than North Africans. The pattern emerging is that South Sahara Africa and Yemen were land connected. While Arabia and North Africa were land connected.

Of course there wasn’t any wall so people flowed freely across the lands. If fact South Arabia also borders Persia/Iran. That is why there are groups in Iran that carry a high frequency of South Saharan ancestry.

Sources cited throughout this Forum, so don’t ask me how do I know. I don’t’ have the time to baby sit anyone. I debate my equals all others I teach. All information is on this site backed up by data and studies.

[history91]

That's interesting because I was always told black got to Arabia only through the slave trade, but you are saying they have been there much earlier.

[djoser-xyyman]

don't "always" believe everything you are "told". Read sometimes! I don't have the time..Find someone else to irritate..
here! I am throwing you a bone!

Aug 19, 2016 19:10:52 GMT -5 history91 said:

That's interesting because I was always told black got to Arabia only through the slave trade, but you are saying they have been there much earlier.

[zarahan]

LOL, love the fake "halting Engleesh" (as if this is fooling anyone)
posts of this guy who says he was "told" or "heard" this and that..



^^Good info anyhow..

[history91]

My question wasn't just posed to you, but thanks for the info. And I don't know how asking a honest question is irritating.

[jethro]

ARABIANS AND YEMENI PEOPLE ARE EURASIANS AND ALWAYS WERE! Any black African DNA they carry comes from recent slavery!

[melanitex]

Aug 19, 2016 12:44:07 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

I am not sure if you are geographically challenged or not. But Yemen is actually IN Arabia. But Yemenese are MORE related to South Saharan Africans than North Africans. The pattern emerging is that South Sahara Africa and Yemen were land connected. While Arabia and North Africa were land connected.

Of course there wasn’t any wall so people flowed freely across the lands. If fact South Arabia also borders Persia/Iran. That is why there are groups in Iran that carry a high frequency of South Saharan ancestry.

Sources cited throughout this Forum, so don’t ask me how do I know. I don’t’ have the time to baby sit anyone. I debate my equals all others I teach. All information is on this site backed up by data and studies.

I'm not sure if one could call them African the people of Yemen don't carry E Haplogroups at very high frequencies. In a matter of fact the people of Yemen carry some of the highest frequencies of the J Haplogroup even higher then people from Northern and Middle portions of Arabia this to me indicates they could be the "pure" Arabs?

[history91]

Here is email I received from someone who studied DNA when I questioned him about Haplogroup J/J1:


Hi, you should look at the YFull tree (www.yfull.com). We clearly see there that hg. J arrived in Middle East recently, not more than 5000 years ago, whereas a sample of 13000 years ago has been found at Satsurblia in the Caucasus and also in Karelia. I am expecting that an old J1 is found also in Italy.
Clearly J1 and J2 are old in the Caucasus from where expanded to India and Western Europe, but Western Europe has old subclades, because J was very likely with hg. I amongst the Western European hunter-gatherers.
Thus Arab J1-s descend from an ancestor came from elsewhere about 5000 years ago and a second subclade only 3300 years ago, perhaps from Caucasus but I wouldn't discard Italy too.
All that dislikes the previous idea that hg. J was born in Middle East (don't consider the J* from Socotra, who are a remnant of old subclades that aren't the ancestors of our samples).
In fact hg. J hasn't been found in Middle East, in Natufians.
Of course some Jews may descend from some old haplogroup J, but I think that any case should be examined deeply and per se: I demonstrated that many subclades introgressed in the Jewish pool in Europe, above all when the MRCA is old not more than 1000 years.They say that that is due to a bottleneck, I think to an introgression.
But I study above all hg. R1b, and there is only one Jewish clade of R-M269* (beyond an R-L277 and surely old R-L584, but the Spyra cluster derived very likley from Yamnaya and Visigoths from Iberia), but emerged from a bottleneck of 19 SNPs. We don't know so far if they come from Old Jews. I never excluded that some Europen haplogroups may have entered the Jewish pool also before the diaspora through the Sea Peoples or others, but that should be demonstrated. Unfortunately Jewish aDNA cannot be tested for religious reasons, but we are waiting that the Philishtim discovered are, and it will be interesting to know their hgs.
Regards, Gioiello/Maliclavelli/Rathna/Claire etc.

[djoser-xyyman]

Common courtesy is to site sources when posting. An oppinion...is exactly that....an oppinion without data..

I cited sources and you posted from a blogger who "studied" DNA. Not sure what that means...."studied"

But you made some valid points. Natufians thus far do NOT carry hg-J. An judging from the age of hg-J I would think it would be found in the Natufians since it is so pre-valent in the middle East today. Which may seem that it is new to the" middle East" although it is a relatively old haplgroup. That will be resolve when more aDNA is tested in Africa North and South of the Sahara. Also interesting is that it is NOT associated with the Neolithic farmers IN Europe(West And East). Meaning it most likely camemuch later. Into Europe.

I am not sure hg-J should be assocated with Judiasm either and certainly not R1b-M269. What makes you think R1b-m269 is associated with Judiasm. Sources?