Post by africurious on Jan 13, 2018 0:15:11 GMT -5
Africurious said.I don’t disregard the accounts of early euros. But their descriptions don’t imply the idea you’ve put forth. Having very dark skin is quite within Native American variation. And again where’re the genes from this “black” population?]
The specific gene that made some darker than the average Native Americans or 1st world people I cannot answer for.
But that's exactly what some of the earliest Euros implied before the massive trade in slaves, that they were black enough to be confused with Africans.
{There were other sightings in the Americas that were reported. One sighting was by Peter Martyr who reported that Vasco Nunez de Balboa in September 1513 saw two black men in Panama. Native Americans reported to him that they were at war with a large settlement of these black men. It was believed these black men were ship wrecked.
Another sighting was by Lopez de Gomara who described the people as identical to Africans seen in Guinea. The next sighting by Labbe' Brasseur de Bourbourg reported two indigenous peoples in Panama, the Mandinga (black skin) and the Tule (red skin).
Also Fray Gregoria Garcia reports on blacks sighted in Cartagena, Columbia.
Michael Coe even reported that Alonzo Ponce spoke of a boatload of "Moors" who landed off Campeche and terrorized the natives.}
for a translation of the Columbus original journal go here
NARRATIVE OF THE THIRD VOYAGE OF COLUMBUS AS CONTAINED IN LAS CASAS’S HISTORY May 30-August 31, 1498
www.gutenberg.org/files/18571/18571-h/18571-h.htm#voyage
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{Ekchuah
Also spelled Ek Chuah, the "black war chief" was the patron god of warriors and merchants, depicted carrying a bag over his shoulder. In art, he was a dark-skinned man with circles around his eyes, a scorpion tail and dangling lower lip. In early modern studies of Maya art and iconography, he was sometimes referred to as God M before his identity was firmly established.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Maya_gods_and_supernatural_beings
Ek Chuah is the sixth most commonly depicted deity in the codices, and is portrayed 40 times. He has a thick, pendulous lower lip and is generally painted in black, in the Tro-Cortesian codex, or partially black, in the Dresden codex. In the former, his mouth is always surrounded by a dull red circle which makes his thick lips stand out. The hieroglyph of his name is an eye with a black ring. He was beneficial god for traveling merchants. As a beneficent god, he appears carrying a bundle of goods on his back, like a traveling merchant, and in some places he is shown with the head of Xamán Ek, god of the North Star, who, as we will see, is said to have been "The Merchants' Guide"}
Back to the original premise, Blacks in the Americas today are African descendants, whatever native American blacks there were , seemed to have long been absorbed by other natives and newcomers.probably weren't that many to begin with.
I didn’t mean what is the gene that gave them their skin color. But for example adna analysis has revealed there’re at least 3 different genetic ancestral populations in Asia that gave rise to native Americans. 1 of these populations only makes up on average 2% of Native Am dna. This suggested black population would’ve been differentiated from these other populations and impart some of its genes on its Native American descendants. No dna has been detected that could’ve come from this supposed black population and this is despite the fact that Polynesian and SE Asian dna has been compared to Native Am dna to check for ancestry.
I’ll check out some of those quotes you posted in further detail some day. They’re very interesting.