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Post by history91 on Feb 4, 2017 16:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by history91 on Feb 4, 2017 20:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 4, 2017 22:11:47 GMT -5
quote:
aul Schneider
6/4/04
1. I retract my statement that the latest book of Marianne Luban, "The Exodus
Chronicles" is "a cut and paste job". I have not read this book nor do I have
any specific knowledge of its contents.
2. I apologize for posting the only negative review accessible at Amazon.com
for Marianne Luban's book, "The Samaritan Treasure" and for maintaining this
was the only review that should be taken into consideration as the others were
written by biased reviewers sympathetic to the Holocaust.
3. I apologize for having brought the personal life of Marianne Luban into
this newsgroup by informing about her past litigation and subjecting her to
ridicule and scorn thereby. The case had no relevance to opera whatsoever. I
apologize for my uninformed legal remarks and for inciting the same from those
who responded to my message introducing the subject.
4. I apologize for going along with, and adding to, the false premise that
Marianne Luban is romantically involved with Leonard Tillman and for alleging
that she is "humorless" because she does not find this funny. I have no
knowledge whatsoever about the private or romantic associations of Marianne
Luban.
Paul Schneider
(per legal advice)
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 4, 2017 22:13:34 GMT -5
not to be taken seriously
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Post by history91 on Feb 5, 2017 20:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by southernpanther on Feb 7, 2017 2:56:06 GMT -5
not to be taken seriously Looks like you're looking to go to court like that Paul dude. Don't you know that lady discovered the mummy of Nefertiti? Since you've been doing so much research on her, you must have missed that part that repeats itself about a million times on Google. Who should take you seriously, man, and why? |
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Post by southernpanther on Feb 7, 2017 3:04:13 GMT -5
Did you even read the book or the paper? I didn't notice where either one said anything about Ramesses III not being E1b1a. I didn't see where the book went into what populations the Amarna royals were related to or not. What page or pages did you see this stuff on? |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2017 9:00:12 GMT -5
Being a straight shooter. I admit when I missed something. 1. Yes, I googled her. Never heard about her before. WHO the person writing is very important. You will before- hand where they are coming from. 2. Agreed, I did not know she discovered the mummy of Nefertiti. 3. Agreed, I did not read her book. So the claim of Rameses III and Man-E NOT being SSA or E1b1a should not be taken seriously by the poster Finally, I did read her claim that some AEians were blondes which is absolute hilarious. Even the Turks living in Egypt today are not blondes. And please, do google some pics of blond Turks living in Egypt(sic) not to be taken seriously Looks like you're looking to go to court like that Paul dude. Don't you know that lady discovered the mummy of Nefertiti? Since you've been doing so much research on her, you must have missed that part that repeats itself about a million times on Google. Who should take you seriously, man, and why? |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2017 9:12:36 GMT -5
Again. I am confused. Is Marianne Luban a liar also or are you the liar? Do I need to read a book written by a delusional psycho? She discovered …WHAT!!? It seems that many have “claimed” to discovered Nefertiti, including the lunatic babbler about blonde AEians. Lol!
Quote:
‘University of York archaeologist Joann Fletcher studied three mummies that had been found in 1898, within the tomb of Pharaoh Amenhotep II. Fletcher announced that one of the bodies, nicknamed “the Younger Lady,” was, in fact, the mummy of Queen Nefertiti.”
It seems only the Hawass JAMA study CONFIRMED the mother of King Tut, prior to that it was all speculation. And you know the JAMA data package confirmed that the Amarnas( ALL OF THEM!!!!) were Sub-Saharan Africans?
Now…should I read a book that will waste my time?
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Post by southernpanther on Feb 7, 2017 10:41:44 GMT -5
"Again. I am confused. Is Marianne Luban a liar also or are you the liar? Do I need to read a book written by a delusional psycho? She discovered …WHAT!!? It seems that many have “claimed” to discovered Nefertiti, including the lunatic babbler about blonde AEians. Lol!" Quote: ‘University of York archaeologist Joann Fletcher studied three mummies that had been found in 1898, within the tomb of Pharaoh Amenhotep II. Fletcher announced that one of the bodies, nicknamed “the Younger Lady,” was, in fact, the mummy of Queen Nefertiti.” You forget to say "Or am I maybe the liar?" because even the editor of Archaeology Magazine acknowledged that Luban originated the theory and not Fletcher. There's hardly a site on the entire Web that doesn't say the same. archive.archaeology.org/online/reviews/nefertiti/linkSo you're standing alone in the dark. "It seems only the Hawass JAMA study CONFIRMED the mother of King Tut, prior to that it was all speculation. And you know the JAMA data package confirmed that the Amarnas( ALL OF THEM!!!!) were Sub-Saharan Africans? You seem very confused, man. I like talking science like Neil deGrasse Tyson but you more like Mike Tyson here with his shiny gold tooth. The Cairo study, published in JAMA, said nothing about the mother of King Tut being Nefertiti--because Z. Hawass never liked the idea. But that doesn't mean it's not true. So that study confirmed nothing except the relationships of some of the royal mummies to one another--like King Tut and his mama. You know damn well it never said anything about "Sub-Saharan Africans". The only one who ever did a test confirming that was that same lady, Luban, who you so busy talking s**t about. How ignorant is that? Lookee here! thetimetravelerreststop.blogspot.com/2012/12/18th-dynasty-predicted-ethnicity.htmlMeanwhile I read several times that the mummy, Unknown Man E, has blond hair. So they all crazy babblers who wrote that? You ever see that mummy yourself? I don't think so. E1b1a means what? It's nothing but a haplogroup attached to some guy's yDNA, handed down through the entire male line of his family. But you don't know anything about the mitochondrial haplogroup, right? You don't know what kind of women those pharaohs married or how much mixed blood any of them were especially as time went on. Marianne Luban figured some of that out because she belongs to the Neil deGrasse Tyson school of DNA and not the Mike Tyson one you seem like you got your education from. Dude, some of those alleles the 20th Dynasty got are never even seen in the modern Egyptian population and you got to accept they are foreign. Unless you got some different information. So step up Gold Tooth and give out with some of that and quit using the ad hominem (look it up) ignorant talk dissing people. I read that book by Luban, "My Quest For Nefertiti" and she's the only one I ever read suggested there that King Tut had a black wife. That's right! She's shown in that same tomb you got a picture of all over this site. [/quote] |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2017 12:48:45 GMT -5
Sage? Anyways good discussion . You peaked my interest. I'll be back
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2017 13:49:16 GMT -5
Ok. You got game! But you are wrong or mis-led on a few things.
1. I said “the data from the JAMA report” NOT that the JAMA report stated they were SSA. The data was published. Any fool can populate the data in any CODIS type database. I have done it. Result. All are SSA African!!!!
2. Are you using “fuzzy logic” because this fantasy about “foreign” women marry local men is exactly that…a fantasy. Why? Same as no.1 above. Amarna Male, female, men and women were SSA based upon STR. They were NOT even closely related to MODERN Egyptians neither Amazigh. So that story you cooked up about foreign women and men is …delusional.
3. Again NOT even Modern Egytpians have “blonde” hair. Far less for SSA 4000ya. More stuff you cooked up ie …delusion
4. Alleles=Swenet. JAMA report had nothing about alleles or SNP. It was based upon Autosomal STRs. So again you are BSing.
5. I diss people when they talk flack and can’t back it up with data. So where are the blond Egyptians? Lol! Please don’t show me a picture. Show me analytical results. And Rameses II has been debunked.
6. You got me on who discovered Nefertiti. But I need to do more research there.
You got one more attempt at correcting your BS! Lol!
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Post by southernpanther on Feb 7, 2017 14:26:39 GMT -5
"1. I said “the data from the JAMA report” NOT that the JAMA report stated they were SSA. The data was published. Any fool can populate the data in any CODIS type database. I have done it. Result. All are SSA African!!!!" You can't do it right because there aren't enough STR's. It can't be accurate but did you notice Ms. Luban try denying when she got SSA in her experiment? "2. Are you using “fuzzy logic” because this fantasy about “foreign” women marry local men is exactly that…a fantasy." That's ridiculous. Egyptian texts are full of the pharaohs marrying foreign women with foreign names. They were the ones in the position to do it on account of foreign diplomacy. This is not about the average Egyptian male, whatever he did. You hair is fuzzy, not my logic. " Why? Same as no.1 above. Amarna Male, female, men and women were SSA based upon STR. They were NOT even closely related to MODERN Egyptians neither Amazigh. So that story you cooked up about foreign women and men is …delusional." Unbefrickinlievable. Amarna? You're jumping back and forth between the 18th and the 20th Dynasties like there was no difference. E1b1a has nothing to do with the Amarna royals. But you are so wrong if you think all those people related to King Tut don't have anything in common with modern Egyptians when it comes to their DNA. "3. Again NOT even Modern Egytpians have “blonde” hair. Far less for SSA 4000ya. More stuff you cooked up ie …delusion" This is some logic you got. First you say "nothing in common with modern Egyptians" and then you say "not even modern Egyptians have blonde hair". So who got the blonde hair? Just Marilyn Monroe? OJ Simpson's daughter, the one with Nicole, had blonde hair when she was little because her mom not black. Simpson not Egyptian but only a fool can't get the picture there. If your mama is not Egyptian, you can have any kind of hair. You need to study the alleles of the blond hair mummy and the populations in which they are common. Luban collected the data for you, so that should be simple. "4. Alleles=Swenet. JAMA report had nothing about alleles or SNP. It was based upon Autosomal STRs. So again you are BSing." Can I even contact your planet? There are no alleles involved in automsomal DNA? Ha, ha, ha, HA! "5. I diss people when they talk flack and can’t back it up with data. So where are the blond Egyptians? Lol! Please don’t show me a picture. Show me analytical results. And Rameses II has been debunked." Who mentioned Rameses II but you, Gold Tooth? Blonde hair among the ancient Egyptians would have been quite rare, as Luban WROTE, too. You don't want a picture? I don't blame you because the camera does not lie. What color do these dreds look like to you? This was not an old man white-haired mummy like Rameses II dyed with henna to be yellow--but a young man with his own hair color.  "You got one more attempt at correcting your BS! Lol!" As far as I can tell, you've made over a thousand attempts here but the smell of BS is still strong. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2017 16:05:38 GMT -5
You seem to miss the salient points. I will break it down for you.
What is it you are showing me? “decayed” hair? Discolored hair? What is the MC1R content? I am not like some Afro-centrics trying to prove Africans have blond hair. Some may have but it is very rear. . I am saying that is NOT the color of his hair when he was A-LIVE. I repeat. Even modern Turks who now dominate Egypt DO NOT have blond hair. Blond and Red hair is not survivable in AE. Don’t you get it? Next you will tell me he had straight hair so he a European. Right? Come on man….put up or shut up.
There is no proof AEians had blond hair or red hair. Next you will tell me the “bogs” had black skin. Tic! Tic! Tic!
Regardless, IF he had blond hair. What is your point? He was European. European somehow back-migrated to Africa and formed the Nation State of AE? What were you drinking? Lol! Harry Putter is not real. really! SMH
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2017 16:10:19 GMT -5
Or next you will tell me since his DECAYED skin is white he was a white European man? You people need to stop! Please lol!. Let me repeat it.
1. White skin and blonde hair CANNOT survive in the hot and tropical regions of Africa. It just cannot. sorry. I did not make the rules. It is only in your dreams.
2. The STR profile based upon ALL databases put the Armanas DEEP in southern Africa.
These are facts that cannot be changed.
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