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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 23, 2017 6:18:31 GMT -5
I did not write this….honest. He! HE! HE!
1. San Peoples probably occupied all of Africa maybe into Europe
2. Modern West Africans are probably new to West Africa
3. Modern West African carry very archaic admixture(Dienekes and I).
4. Europeans are a sub-set of Africans
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SUMMARY
We assembled genome-wide data from 16 prehistoric Africans. We show that the anciently divergent
lineage that comprises the primary ancestry of the southern African San had a wider distribution in
the past, contributing approximately two-thirds of the ancestry of Malawi hunter-gatherers 8,100–
2,500 years ago and approximately one-third of the ancestry of Tanzanian hunter-gatherers 1,400
years ago. We document how the spread of farmers from western Africa involved complete replacement
of local hunter-gatherers in some regions, and we track the spread of herders by showing that the
population of a 3,100-year-old pastoralist from Tanzania contributed ancestry to people from northeastern
to southern Africa, including a 1,200-year old southern African pastoralist. The deepest diversifications
of African lineages were complex, involving either repeated gene flow among geographically
disparate groups or a lineage MORE deeply diverging than that of the San contributing more to some western
African populations than to others. We finally leverage ancient genomes to document episodes of
natural selection in southern African populations.
INTRODUCTION
Africa harbors more genetic diversity than any other part of the world (Cann et al., 1987; Tishkoff et al., 2009). This is reflected
both in a higher average number of differences among sub- Saharan African genomes than among non-African genomes
(Cann et al., 1987; Ramachandran et al., 2005) and in the fact that the ancestry found outside of Africa is largely a subset of
that within it (Tishkoff et al., 2009). Today, some of the earliest branching African lineages are present only in populations with
relatively small census sizes, including the southern African Khoe-San (see STAR Methods for terminology), central African
rainforest hunter-gatherers, and Hadza of Tanzania (Gronau et al., 2011; Schlebusch et al., 2012; Veeramah et al., 2012).
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 23, 2017 6:22:03 GMT -5
That is the problem with you white people. "Forest for the trees". You go in with pre-conceived notions without looking at the data. Like that new paper on ancient North Africans you people are quoting.
The data shows that North Africans and Levantines and at least southern Europeans were black skinned up to 4000bc. Carrying African ancestral forms of pigmentation. Now this paper prove I am right about Africa. I should be paid for this shyte. lol!
The problem is you people can't read the data and analyze it. You rely on lying Europeans to put their spin on it. Europeans have been historical liars. That is why I am on to their spin and lies.
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Here is more spin and BS…First the 3100BP Tanzanian carried as much as ****40%***** Levantine (not Iranian or Turk) AIM. So what do they do? They increase the age of Pre-Pottery in the Levant to 10,000years!!! Thus trying to visualize a very ancient origin in the Levant. But yet admit….talk about “Fake News”.
Liars had to admit the , yes, there is a possibility this Eurasians AIM found in ancient Tanzanians may be African after all
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Anyone understand what they are saying on page 65 2nd paragraph? Reading through their spin. Are they saying that the 1200year old South African already had “west Eurasian” ancestry. BEFORE modern colonial Europeans entered south Africa. When Pickerell et al published his paper I wondering where they were going with that, now I know. They already knew that “Eurasian” ancestry was indigenous to Africa. They were setting up the scenario to BS when more results came out. Guess what Eurasians are a subset of Afrcans. It existed in Africa BEFORE Eurasians existed.
Quote: “We found that the _3,100 BP individual (Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP), associated with a Savanna
Pastoral Neolithic archeological tradition, could be modeled as having 38% ± 1% of her ancestry related to the nearly 10,000-
year-old pre-pottery farmers of the Levant (Lazaridis et al., 2016), and we can **exclude **source populations related to early
farmer populations in Iran and Anatolia. These results could be explained by migration into Africa from descendants of pre-pottery
Levantine farmers or alternatively by a scenario in which both pre-pottery Levantine farmers and Tanzania_Luxmanda_
3100BP descend from a common ancestral population that lived thousands of years earlier in Africa or the Near East. We fit the
remaining approximately two-thirds of Tanzania_Luxmanda_ 3100BP as most closely related to the Ethiopia_4500BP
(p = 0.029) or, allowing for three-way mixture, also from a source closely related to the Dinka (p = 0.18; the Levantine-related
ancestry in this case was 39% ± 1%) (Table S4).”
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 23, 2017 6:25:27 GMT -5
They are re-inventing multi-regionalism in Africa. This is a bomb shell. Anyone want me to explain this? This is where the rubber hits the road.
Quote:” In particular, we find that ancient southern Africans, who have NONE of the eastern African admixture
that is ubiquitous today, share significantly more alleles with present-day and ancient eastern Africans (including Dinka,
Hadza, and Ethiopia_4500BP) than they do with present-day western Africans (Figure 3B; Table S6). Even within present day
western Africans, the genetic differences between Yoruba from Nigeria and the Mende from Sierra Leone are inconsistent
with descent from a homogeneous ancestral population isolated from ancient southern Africans. The asymmetry between
Yoruba and Mende is ALSO OBSERVED WITH NON-AFRICANS but is no stronger than in eastern Africans (the most closely related Africans
to the ancestral out-of-Africa population), and thus these signals are not driven by admixture from OUTSIDE Africa and
instead likely reflect demographic events entirely WITHIN Africa (Figure 3C; Table S6).”
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 23, 2017 6:26:07 GMT -5
Wow!! This is what I have been waiting for.
I said – there was never a Bantu Expansion. That modern west Africans are a misture of East African and another set of Africans that existed in West Africa. They are related to WHG. If they test Cape Verde they will carry the highest ancestry of this type of all West Africans. I said West Africans are primarily Neolithics
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“The first posits that present-day western Africans harbor ancestry from a basal African lineage that contributed more to the
Mende than it did to the Yoruba, with the other source of western African ancestry being related to eastern Africans and non-
Africans (Figures 3D, S4, and S5; Table S7). The second model posits that long-range and long-standing gene flow has connected
southern and eastern Africa to some groups in western Africa (e.g., the ancestors of the Yoruba) to a greater extent
than to other groups in western Africa (e.g., the ancestors of the Mende) (Figure 3E) (Pleurdeau et al., 2012). The possible basal
western African population lineage would represent the earliest known divergence of a modern human lineage that contributed
a MAJOR proportion of ancestry to present-day HUMANS. Such a lineage must have separated BEFORE the divergence of San
ancestors, which is estimated to have begun on the order of 200–300 thousand years ago (Scally and Durbin, 2012). Such a
model of basal western African ancestry might support the hypothesis that there has been ANCIENT STRUCTURE in the ancestry of
present-day Africans, using a line of evidence INDEPENDENT from previous findings based on long haplotypes with deep divergences
from other human haplotypes (Hammer et al., 2011; Lachance et al., 2012; Plagnol and Wall, 2006). One scenario consistent
with this result could involve ancestry related to eastern Africans (and the out-of-Africa population) expanding into western
Africa and mixing there with more basal lineages. Our genetic data do NOT support the theory that this putative basal lineage
diverged prior to the ancestors of Neanderthals, since the African populations we analyze here are approximately symmetrically
related to Neanderthals”
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 23, 2017 6:28:42 GMT -5
BTw- Anyone looked at Table 1. Notice no E1b1a. Also they used BT. Which includes ALL yDNA haplogroups except A & B. Do you want to know why? They have the results. Trust me! They want to let you Euronuts down first. Don’t want you jumping off the ledge. If I am a betting man. It is some earth shattering result like R1b-V88 or something like that. Come on Euronuts…calm down. He! HE! The best is yet to come.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 23, 2017 6:31:06 GMT -5
Capra @ ES posted this..It is something important and I should reply to. Since I cannot at ES I will address it here.
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from Capra- If you were a betting man, xyyman, you'd be living in a cardboard box. Table S4, the Malawian Y haplogroups are BT(xCT), so B or some extinct relative, not C, D, E, or F. It would be nice to know what kind exactly; B2b predominates in Mbuti and Hadza and is common in San and others, so would fit.
The Cape foragers have A1b1b2a, like the Ballito Bay men from the previous paper, quite far away. Wonder where the A1b1a1a and B2b were lurking.
What's Eurasian in the Malawians? A bit in ADMIXTURE at low K, but that doesn't mean much.
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i have to go back to the paper to respond. Give me some time
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Post by zarahan on Sept 23, 2017 11:05:21 GMT -5
Below you said:
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But where do they admit that R-V88 is older in Africans vs Europeans?
Can you post a "money quote" from some other study as to this?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 24, 2017 19:55:46 GMT -5
Since I can no longer post at ES...in response to Capra's BT (xCT)comment. Looking at S4 as you suggested. Yes, the haplopgroup of all these male individuals are most likely yDNA-B. What is interesting is as I stated before no E1b1a. So We have E1b1b, A and B. All of these ancient Africans carried these lineage. Look like A and B were widespread along East Africans and southern Africa up to 3000BC,
@z-man. There will NOT be any MONEY statement. Understand the game being played. This data "released" has the intention of maintaining the status quo. They are suggesting (without genetic that R-V88) originated in the Near East. (They are going with pop-culture). The paper is focused on R-V88 IN Africa.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 24, 2017 20:04:12 GMT -5
A good example is that new paper on North Africans. They provided data that these ancient North Africans carry ancestral genes for pigmentation....just as Nigerians and La Brana. Bronze age Levantines ALSO carried the similar genetic ancestral makeup. Get the picture. You do not need a European to give you the visuals and the money statement. Levantines, North African and Southern Europeans at about >3000bc. Were all BLACK in pigmentation. In fact even Villabruna the 17,000year old Italians was BLACK with tropical body proportion. No money statement needed. They will not give it to you. YOU need to put it together. They provide the data
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 26, 2017 4:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 26, 2017 4:27:28 GMT -5
Notice 61000bp Malawi individual carries "European" ancestry. That is right 6100BP with European and traces of Asian(Japanese) ancestry. Why? Africans carried "Eurasian" ancestry long before Eurasians existed.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 26, 2017 19:45:47 GMT -5
from that other thread. The 81000BP Malawi HG ALSO carried "Eurasian" ancestry. lol!
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Can’t wait for the aDNA on that LSA Malawian…if it comes out. Can’t wait for the “spin” . They will have to push that “Eurasian” BACK-MiGRATION , lol! Further back.!
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From nature.com, Skoglund said that his team had examined the genomes of 15 ancient individuals who lived as long as 6,000 years ago in eastern and southern Africa. He described a detailed analysis of 11 of them.
“That is what a team led by Pontus Skoglund and David Reich, population geneticists at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, has now done. In a talk on 3 July at the Society for Molecular Biology’s annual meeting in Austin, Texas, Skoglund said that his team had examined the genomes of 15 ancient individuals who lived as long as 6,000 years ago in eastern and southern Africa. He described a detailed analysis of 11 of them.
Highly mobile
The results showed that ancient humans moved around on the continent much more than was appreciated. The genome of a 3,000-year-old individual from Tanzania bore the ancestry not only of ancient East African hunter-gatherers but of early farmers from the Middle East. That supports past studies that documented a ‘back to Africa’ migration several thousand years ago: these migrants were closely related to early farmers from the Levant region in the Middle East.
The Tanzanian fossil was found at an archaeological site linked to animal herding, or pastoralism, and some of its genetic signatures have also been found in present-day pastoralists in southern Africa, Skoglund said. This suggests that East Africans took herding to southern Africa.
The ******unpublished study****** from Skoglund’s team revealed additional movement. The genome of a 2,000-year-old individual from southern Africa was related to those of contemporary southern African hunter-gatherers known as the San. It was also related to ancient genomes that the team had sequenced from hunter-gatherers whose remains were found in Malawi and Tanzania — but not to the DNA of the current inhabitants of East Africa.”
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 26, 2017 19:50:35 GMT -5
These lying Europeans need to make up their minds. Were these Levant Neolithic farmers in Africa 81000BP?  !!!!!(sic) Even modern Nilo-Saharan Mbuti carry Europeans ancestry!!! lol! |
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Post by clydewin98 on Sept 27, 2017 7:05:03 GMT -5
But where do they admit that R-V88 is older in Africans vs Europeans? Can you post a "money quote" from some other study as to this? Europeans will never admit that R-V88 originated in Africa. In fact they are claiming that V88 is M269. It is the geneticists who make up lies to deny the genetic history of African people. The aDNA of the CHG and EF of Europe is R1b1a2. Although ISOGG 2016 makes it clear this haplogroup is V88, in the research literature they are referring to this clade (R1b1a2) as R1b-P312/M269 , eventhough M269 is R1b1a1a2. Clearly, R1b1a2 is downstream to R1b1a1a2 or R1b-M269. R1b1 is an African genome. Africans carry R1b1, the name for this haplogroup was changed to R-L278.Kivisild chart is a lie. .  . Look at ISOGG 2016 here it is made clear that R1b1 is upstream of M269, not downstream to R1b-M269. R1b-M269=R1b1a1a2, this is downstream to R1b1. This Figure by Kivisild, illustrates how Eurocentrist have no limit to their blatant and stealthily rewriting of history to "whiteout" Black and African people. The aDNA of the CHG and EF of Europe is R1b1a2. Although ISOGG 2016 makes it clear this haplogroup is V88, in the research literature they are referring to this clade (R1b1a2) as R1b-P312/M269 , eventhough M269 is R1b1a1a2. Clearly, R1b1a2 is downstream to R1b1a1a2 or R1b-M269. As a result, if you hope to see Eurocentrists admit V88 originated in Africa--its never going to happen because the so-called Indo-Europeans is a myth and the there is no such thing as Eurasian Dna based on the anatolians, because the Anatolians were Kushites. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 27, 2017 8:16:46 GMT -5
Anyone with any objectivity knows these researchers are lying and playing the status quo game. The way they sample, the reference populations used, the analytical methods (statistics) used is all geared towards deception. The ultimate goal is maintain the belief that Europeans are not a subset of Africans. That modern Europeans are the be it all. They know it is a lie based upon the results from aDNA studies emerging. That is why they are skewing results and data. They will lie and mislead as long as possible and forums like Davidski, Dienekes play a part with members whose role is to keep the myth going. Dienekes has come around and don’t post bs anymore
Eg look at the new paper on aDNA on prehistoric Africans. They hypothesize that the “ near Easterners backmigrated” into Africa. But used modern Sardinians as the reference population. They cannot use modern Near Easterners because these people there now are essentially Ottoman Turks. And these Turks in the Levant are NOT related to the ancient Levantines who were essentially Africans(North mixed with SSA just as they are today). The researchers know this that is why they switched to Sardinians. But The researchers screwed up because they focused their discussion on 3000bp Tanzanian to draw their hypothesis but forgot that their chart shows that the 81000BP Malawian_Hora carried “European” ancestry(just as I speculated BEFORE the paper was released). TheMalawi_Hora had European ancestry BEFORE the Hunter gatherer European La Brana (5000bp). Do you see the “pickle” these lying Europeans are in. They cannot used modern Levantines(because they are Turks and it will screw their hypothesis), The Bedoiuns may also be a gamble because we know Natufians/Bedoiuns are NOT ancestral to modern West Europeans. They had no other choice but to use Sardinians and then lying about the relation with Levantines withOUT providing data. But I am onto their games now.
LOOK AT THE CHARTS!!!!!!
The paper is fascinating at many levels. Eg up to about 2000bp South Africans carried no Eurasian(European and Asian-Japanese) ancestry. Yet 8100bp_Hora from Malawi carried mostly European(neglible Asian) ancestry. Before European ancestry entered Europe. lol! This proves there was indeed some substructure in Africa. But South Africa was the last hold out(we may have to wait on aDNA from West Africa) of an ancient African population. A00 In South Africa?
Do you understand what I just said. EUROPEAN ANCESTRY IN AFRICA “BEFORE” IT ENTERED EUROPE!!!!!!! lol!
Davidski should do some runs with Hora_8100BP, La Brana, Onge and Natufians? Lol!
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!!!!!(sic) Even modern Nilo-Saharan Mbuti carry Europeans ancestry!!! lol! 
