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Post by Kalonji on Apr 2, 2010 11:36:56 GMT -5
^I'm ending this discussion with you, since it's clear you're the one who is being argumentative. I was balanced from the get go, and agreed that notifing bystanders was the right thing to do. I also debunked your notion that she was engaging in public stunts. I will save you the embarassment of going through being educated on how ''morality'' factors into proper ''social conduct'', which was your exact choice or words.
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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 11:47:45 GMT -5
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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 11:51:58 GMT -5
From the woman's own tweet, verbatim:
Erikah: “I heard people yelling diff things @ me but i held my head up and kept moving. there were children there.i prayed they wouldnt b traumatized…”
LOL!! This was my argument all along and this woman knew exactly what she was doing. She could care less about traumtizing the children, otherwise she would has ASKED PERMISSION - that simple! She had NO RIGHT imposing her politics on people like that, especially when it concerns children.
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Post by Kalonji on Apr 2, 2010 12:00:08 GMT -5
You know someone is a loon when he uses the media as a source. Of all institutions, he chooses the ones who are in it to create sensation. You should try logic for once She didn't even look at the people she passed by, but instead used them for her video. When someone engages in a publicity stunt, the only purpose is to attract attention from others in a designated environment. What Erykah Badu has done with her latest video is totally unrelated to that.
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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 12:10:16 GMT -5
^for starters, here is your previous statement: "I'm ending this discussion with you, since it's clear you're the one who is being argumentative." Obviously my last retorts forced you to renig on that stance (LOL)! Yea, I know... I layeth the smacketh on ya!
Now... What is a publicity stunt?
Main Entry: publicity stunt Part of Speech: n Definition: an event staged to get public attention or for marketing purposes
Source: DICTIONARY! (LOL)
You see, Badu's public stunt was to generate attention to her latest album; it's all part of marketing - generate maximum controversy to peak the market's interest, hence, generate sells.
Also, notice the definition does not specify the target audience. That debunks your ridiculous, "someone engages in a publicity stunt, the only purpose is to attract attention from others in a designated environment" (Kalonji, 2010) LOL!!!!!!!!
Those pedestrians were obviously used as a pawn in her greater marketing scheme. They only served as a natural backdrop, to keep the video effect as naturally REAL as possible.
Now, go back to the corner and learn what a public stunt is. GAME OVER.
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Post by Kalonji on Apr 2, 2010 12:41:23 GMT -5
^for starters, here is your previous statement: "I'm ending this discussion with you, since it's clear you're the one who is being argumentative." Obviously my last retorts forced you to renig on that stance (LOL)! Yea, I know... I layeth the smacketh on ya! Now... What is a publicity stunt? Main Entry: publicity stunt Part of Speech: n Definition: an event staged to get public attention or for marketing purposes Source: DICTIONARY! (LOL) You see, Badu's public stunt was to generate attention to her latest album; it's all part of marketing - generate maximum controversy to peak the market's interest, hence, generate sells. Yes, good boy I see you're catching up and moving away from your original argument, which was a public stunt directed towards and I paraphrase: ''people in public fora, like streets''. And BTW, if we go by that definition, which was modified after realising you had no foundation to stand on, all music videos would be public(ity) stunts, and that is clearly not a connotation that is associated with a music videos, at least in the head of sensible people. And my definition does target a specific audience, explain? someone engages in a publicity stunt, the only purpose is to attract attention from others in a designated environmentAnd note that even if it did, it still wouldn't be wrong. If I say a transport vehicle is a car, it might be a limited description, specific description, but it'd still be correct. Perhaps, but that should not be your biggest worry. What your biggest worry should be, is explaining your flip flopping, and why your current ''beef'' is infact a complete contradiction with what you said earlier, which is: ;D You're laughable, Recovering Afrocentrist
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Post by truth on Apr 2, 2010 13:01:34 GMT -5
Yes, good boy I see you're catching up and moving away from your original argument, which was a public stunt directed towards and I paraphrase: ''people in public fora, like streets''. Are you that crass? Who changed their argument? I was addressing your lame attempt to rebut me on her actions not being a public stunt. You were proven wrong by A)showing how the media views it as a public stunt. If I am wrong, then I guess all those educated writers and reporters are wrong for not knowing YOUR [made-up] definition of a public stunt. And B)supplied an official definition on what a public stunt is, thus demonstrating that her actions fit the description of a public stunt. You are crass individual. A stunt is an unusual act, an act outside the norm of public conduct, which is contrived and calculated in order to gain attention. DO YOU GET IT?! A damn music video is usually created within confines and away from the public. And if it is done within the vicinity of the public, its intent is NOT to gain the public's immediate attention. I think I'm thru as it is evident you are getting off being a contrarian. Now you are rationalizing (LOL)! Didn't you take part in a debating team, back in high school? This is a rather miserable comback attempt. I am finished w/you. The readership will see who is obviously in err.
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Post by Kalonji on Apr 2, 2010 13:51:54 GMT -5
Your first ''beef'' was the fact that it was done on the streets, without a proper warning, then, all of a sudden, your conjured up a definition of publicity stunt, that was in fact describing what I said, and agreed with earlier, with some kind of perverted intention of using it against me. This is what I wrote:
Every artist is concerned with marketing her/himself, so I won't say there is no element of marketing in it. Calling it a publicity stunt though, that is your opinion
Moving on..
Lol, Look at this nobody He doesn't even realize that they exaggerate for a living.
Like I said, if we go by that definition you gave:
Definition: an event staged to get public attention or for marketing purposes
all music video's are public stunts, since they ALL are made with the intention to garner attention, and are made for marketing purposes. This is something radically different from what you originally meant:
It is a public stunt because she performed the streaking in public.
There is a difference between undressing to express oneself in a videoclip And undressing in order to get the attention of the people who are in that immediate environment
The latter is what one might call a publicity stunt. The first is simply expressing one self by undressing in front of people who just happen to be there, and who's reactions to said behaviour are ''used'' for a specific goal. If there is a publicity stunt element involved in what she did, it would be directed towards the world when she published the clip, not towards the people that were present in the environment where and when she undressed herself.
Translation: I'm wrong, he's right. I couldn't point out what he requested, nor could I respond to his car metaphor, since they're both correct, so I'll just use ad hominems.
Yes, run off Just like you did with MOM's ''Caucasian'' quiz. You'd rather cuss the hell out of me, but you know you can't because his forum is moderated, lol. Dumbo.
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Post by homeylu on Apr 3, 2010 10:35:42 GMT -5
Saw the video, interesting, but surely controversial, and of course controversy does sell cd's. She claimed she was trying to reenact Kennedy's assassination by comparing it to her own 'character assassination." Well the latest is, she has been charged with disorderly conduct by the Dallas police. "Neosoul singer Erykah Badu faces a disorderly conduct charge for her nude music video shoot in downtown Dallas' Dealey Plaza, officials announced Friday. Badu, a Dallas native, performed a walking striptease in front of tourists and pedestrians during the March 13 shoot for Badu's "Window Seat" music video. The performance ended with a nude Badu acting out receiving a fatal gunshot to the head at the spot where President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963. Sgt. Warren Mitchell said Friday the decision to cite Badu for disorderly conduct — a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $500 — came after witness Ida Espinosa, 32, of Vernon, offered a sworn statement to police Thursday. Espinosa declined to comment to The Associated Press on Friday." abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=10274263
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Post by Kalonji on Apr 3, 2010 12:37:46 GMT -5
LOL @ Espinosa I can't believe they didn't calibrate and forewarn her, where are her advisors/manager. Or maybe they did calibrate and took the risk knowing they prolly wouldn't get permission...
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 13:20:05 GMT -5
Badu was once respected for her so-called "Afrocentric conscious" music. Now she will go down in infamy as the artist who performed a striptease stunt (which btw... reinforces and validates the hyper-sexualize stereotype of Black women) before children. But then again, what to expect from the likes of her caliber.
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