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Post by clydewin98 on Nov 2, 2017 19:46:28 GMT -5
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Post by nebsen on Nov 2, 2017 21:13:16 GMT -5
I liked this video, because it reminds me of my own discovery about who the ancient( Kimites) Egyptians were. I to loved the Filed Museum of Chicago which is my home town . I was taken there as a kid in the 50's at lest twice a year. As an adult ; even took a bus load of Black kids there on a field trip when I was a community organizer in the 60's. I remember when King Tuts exhibition was in town. I was going out with one of my best buddies & his girl friend, they came by to pick me up in his ride & his girlfriend was kind of tipsy , I got in the back seat , she kept turning around looking at me, than with a puzzled look on her face said," you look like King Tut" ! we all had a laugh, & went on our way. I never forgot that . Later in the 70's I discovered Diop , which became my bible, which confirmed what I had always knew about our ancestors that we were ONE ! Thanks, for sharing your video which brought back fond memories from my past , Nebsen.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Nov 3, 2017 11:11:01 GMT -5
We need to slow down. The AEians were indigenous Black Africans from the Nilo-Sahara. I am not sure where Aframs are from because of lies told in European history books. But if the genetics and history books are true. AFRAMs are distantly(3rd) related to AEians compared to Great Lakes Africans/Nilo-Saharans and South Africans. Of course surprisingly the are NOT closely related to Berbers or Levantines. And cluster with West African before Ethiopians. Europeans are not in the discussion.
The theme? Spamming pictures and eye-ball anthropology can be misleading. Don’t believe me? Ask the Euronuts who believe the AEians are Europeans!!!!!
Oh! I did not look at the video but I will. The title caught my eye ........
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Post by nebsen on Nov 3, 2017 18:31:25 GMT -5
We need to slow down. The AEians were indigenous Black Africans from the Nilo-Sahara. I am not sure where Aframs are from because of lies told in European history books. But if the genetics and history books are true. AFRAMs are distantly(3rd) related to AEians compared to Great Lakes Africans/Nilo-Saharans and South Africans. Of course surprisingly the are NOT closely related to Berbers or Levantines. And cluster with West African before Ethiopians. Europeans are not in the discussion. The theme? Spamming pictures and eye-ball anthropology can be misleading. Don’t believe me? Ask the Euronuts who believe the AEians are Europeans!!!!! Oh! I did not look at the video but I will. The title caught my eye ........ well i figured that their might be some push back on Clyde's video in some respect. It is very anecdotal I understand, but many circumscribe to ancient Kemet being a federation composed of many groups coming into ancient Kemet from many direction from within Africa. I included the video of Anthony Browder who i have great respect for. He is doing the actual work on the ground in Egypt( archeological) that is. He is not an arm chair historian or geneticist, but is actually in the field in Egypt & Sudan. In this video which is long for many, he at about 13:43 talks about a find in a tomb of Sankofa symbols, & the work he & others are doing to uncover more information about this find; which he states to be unveiled to the public later. Which i find very exciting !! I find the whole video thrilling, but that's me, but I hope others check this video out. For we are really scratching the surface of all the interaction & relationships that the ancient (Kimites) Egyptians had with other groups in Africa, even DNA as it is today, does not tell the whole story; as the tools (DNA) develops along with less biases in the field, we might learn & uncover more than we do at present.a open mind is required !
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Post by clydewin98 on Nov 3, 2017 19:21:46 GMT -5
We need to slow down. The AEians were indigenous Black Africans from the Nilo-Sahara. I am not sure where Aframs are from because of lies told in European history books. But if the genetics and history books are true. AFRAMs are distantly(3rd) related to AEians compared to Great Lakes Africans/Nilo-Saharans and South Africans. Of course surprisingly the are NOT closely related to Berbers or Levantines. And cluster with West African before Ethiopians. Europeans are not in the discussion. The theme? Spamming pictures and eye-ball anthropology can be misleading. Don’t believe me? Ask the Euronuts who believe the AEians are Europeans!!!!! Oh! I did not look at the video but I will. The title caught my eye ........ The video is not about "eye-ball " anthropology it is based on the archaeological evidence that selected nomes of ancient Egypt were occupied by West Africans, like the Fulani who came to the United States as slaves. LOL. If the ancient Egyptians were Nilo-Saharan, what is the linguistic, archaeological, and toponymic evidence supporting this connection. Diop and others have presented such evidence supporting a relationship between West Africans and Egyptian. Cite the books that present specific evidence supporting an Egyptian-Nilo-Saharan connection.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Nov 4, 2017 7:26:11 GMT -5
The AEians are NOT really West Africans. Yes, there is a relation like all Africans are related. But the scientific evidence of LIVE data shows West Africans are 3rd in line not 1st in line. Agreed modern West Africans are from the same stock that headed West. But they are not DIRECT descendants of AEians.
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Post by clydewin98 on Nov 4, 2017 13:17:03 GMT -5
The AEians are NOT really West Africans. Yes, there is a relation like all Africans are related. But the scientific evidence of LIVE data shows West Africans are 3rd in line not 1st in line. Agreed modern West Africans are from the same stock that headed West. But they are not DIRECT descendants of AEians. You keep saying this but you have not presented any evidence that West Africans are less related to ancient Egyptians. In addition, you have cited no evidence disputing the fact that the West Africans were the ancient Egyptians. Without evidence your comments are only your opinion. Stop making stuff up.
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Post by anansi on Nov 6, 2017 2:33:02 GMT -5
Ultimately all west Africans were former East Africans, but Egypt was a political state, just like many other states from the Nile and beyond, yes they shared many bio-cultural aspects but this is what made the ancient Egyptians Africans,rather than making Africans Egyptians, subtle but important distinction.
look we know that the ppl of Yam shared a joint trading station some six hundred mls to the west of the Egyptians,they themselves live beyond that,so we know contacts were being made and cross cultural and material items exchanged, but the Yamites were not Kemites in a political sense, what became the Akan were formally folks who lived on the savannah before penetrating the forest, they most likely resembled the people of the Wagadu in cultural terms..
similarities in culture?? …pls refer to any pre- European trade map.
AAs are not descendant from any Pharaonic state,as those political entities closed out waay before the existence of the trans Atlantic trade.
AAs are related to all other Africans in much the same way Ancient Egyptians are related to all other Africans and us to them... Xyyman is correct in this.
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Post by clydewin98 on Nov 6, 2017 9:17:57 GMT -5
Ultimately all west Africans were former East Africans, but Egypt was a political state, just like many other states from the Nile and beyond, yes they shared many bio-cultural aspects but this is what made the ancient Egyptians Africans,rather than making Africans Egyptians, subtle but important distinction. look we know that the ppl of Yam shared a joint trading station some six hundred mls to the west of the Egyptians,they themselves live beyond that,so we know contacts were being made and cross cultural and material items exchanged, but the Yamites were not Kemites in a political sense, what became the Akan were formally folks who lived on the savannah before penetrating the forest, they most likely resembled the people of the Wagadu in cultural terms.. similarities in culture?? …pls refer to any pre- European trade map. AAs are not descendant from any Pharaonic state,as those political entities closed out waay before the existence of the trans Atlantic trade. AAs are related to all other Africans in much the same way Ancient Egyptians are related to all other Africans and us to them... Xyyman is correct in this. You and Xyyman are incorrect. There is specific mention of West African populations in ancient Egypt. We are not talking about some generic migration of East Africans into West Africa, we are talking about specific populations. These tribes still exist. Members of these tribes were sold into slavery in the United States. Since the Fante, Wolof and etc., are direct descendants of their Egyptian forebears . And these people are our Afro-American ancestors we are the Ancient Egyptians.
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Post by anansi on Nov 7, 2017 6:23:53 GMT -5
As was said, shared cultural concepts in no way meant same population, look at it this way, the Buddha is worshipped from India to Japan and the isles in between,along with words and even similar religious architecture, do that mean that they are of the same population?? off course not.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Nov 7, 2017 9:37:03 GMT -5
^ "Shared" is the key word!! West Africans are 3rd in line.
-- Keeping in mind the genetic analysis done with the Amarna’s showed they were indigenous “East” Sub-Saharan Africans. This was done using STR’s. The Abusir mummies also confirmed the same using SNPs and mtDNA. The authors spun and titled the Abusir mummies as “less” SSA using mtDNA L as the ONLY SSA marker!! Which is deceptive on their part. They deliberately left out the indigenous SSA population when using SNPs. But when an INDEPENDENT analysis is done using the indigenous populations of East Sub- Saharan Africa the picture changes. Understand the game!!!!!
Also they stated the ABusir were “less SSA” but within their own published data they are tripping over themselves. Because in the Affinity maps THEY published the Abusirs are NOT related to Europeans or modern Near Easterns!!!!!! Like Syrians, Khazar Jews Saudis Lebanese etc. They are closest to Bedoiuns, Yemenese and Tunisians…out of the populations they included in their sample set. I repeat “out of the populations in their sample set”. In other words they deliberately left out populations to skew the results. Or bias the results!! Get it??!! Understand the tricks being played.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Nov 7, 2017 12:16:27 GMT -5
That is why we as black people need to start doing our own analysis and testing. Europeans lie and mis-direct. Once you understand that then it all becomes easy.
Eg. When the author stated the Abusir were less Sub-Saharan many brothas threw a tantrum because we are conditioned to think only West Africans are Sub-Saharans. And the authors knew you brothas will go into a tizzy. But Ugandans, Tanzanians, Kenyans even Horners of East Africa are…sub-saharans. When I did a deep dive of the Abusir data…I came to the conclusion the Abusirs were indeed from Tanzania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya and not necessarily West Africa!!!
AND TO MY ASTONISHMENT AFTER MY ANALYSIS!!!! Nina Hollfelder published a paper a few months later coming to the same conclusion as I!! Don’t want to blow my own horn. But I told you so!!!! See my threads here on ESR.
Title : Northeast African genomic variation shaped by the continuity of indigenous groups and Eurasian migrations - Nina Hollfelder, Published: August 24, 2017
The indigenous groups were …you guessed it…… Tanzania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya and not necessarily West Africans. A rebuttals to the Abusir papers??!!
Also astonishing, is the incursion of the “Eurasians” were about the time of the Ottoman Turks.
I will leave you with this, another prediction, They are spending a lot of time in Botswana and Malawi….the mouth of the Great Lakes Africa. Something is going on!!! They are digging and spending a lot of research there. Don’t’ be surprised if Malawi_Hora-82000BP carried the “original” European ancestry.
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Post by melanitex on Nov 7, 2017 16:01:33 GMT -5
That is why we as black people need to start doing our own analysis and testing. Europeans lie and mis-direct. Once you understand that then it all becomes easy. Eg. When the author stated the Abusir were less Sub-Saharan many brothas threw a tantrum because we are conditioned to think only West Africans are Sub-Saharans. And the authors knew you brothas will go into a tizzy. But Ugandans, Tanzanians, Kenyans even Horners of East Africa are…sub-saharans. When I did a deep dive of the Abusir data…I came to the conclusion the Abusirs were indeed from Tanzania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya and not necessarily West Africa!!! AND TO MY ASTONISHMENT AFTER MY ANALYSIS!!!! Nina Hollfelder published a paper a few months later coming to the same conclusion as I!! Don’t want to blow my own horn. But I told you so!!!! See my threads here on ESR. Title : Northeast African genomic variation shaped by the continuity of indigenous groups and Eurasian migrations - Nina Hollfelder, Published: August 24, 2017 The indigenous groups were …you guessed it…… Tanzania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya and not necessarily West Africans. A rebuttals to the Abusir papers??!! Also astonishing, is the incursion of the “Eurasians” were about the time of the Ottoman Turks. I will leave you with this, another prediction, They are spending a lot of time in Botswana and Malawi….the mouth of the Great Lakes Africa. Something is going on!!! They are digging and spending a lot of research there. Don’t’ be surprised if Malawi_Hora-82000BP carried the “original” European ancestry. How would brothers go about doing our own analysis? How could we fund such a project?
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Post by clydewin98 on Nov 7, 2017 17:58:32 GMT -5
As was said, shared cultural concepts in no way meant same population, look at it this way, the Buddha is worshipped from India to Japan and the isles in between,along with words and even similar religious architecture, do that mean that they are of the same population?? off course not. I am not talking about cultural traditions.This has no analogy to Fulani living in Egypt during the Middle Kingdom, and existing today in West Africa. This shows a family relationship and continuity between this population in ancient and and modern times. Buddhism has nothing to do with ethnology, this is a philosophy open to anyone interested in adopting this way of life.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Nov 7, 2017 20:59:36 GMT -5
There are two options available. 1. Setup a lab and get samples and do our own testing and publishing. The internet is very useful. We do not need to rely on conventional media anymore. 2. Access the raw data which are most times free to institutions "in the circle". eg The European Genome-phenome Archive (EGA) and other such databases, The tools are freely available but the data is not. It is like breaking into Forth Knox. It is closely guarded. eg as ElMaestro or Capra , cant remember which, the STR profile fro the ABusirs was either not tested or not disclosed!!!!! Getting the and using the right tools may resolve the issue since the BAM were disclose a lot more information than they think. That is why we as black people need to start doing our own analysis and testing. Europeans lie and mis-direct. Once you understand that then it all becomes easy. Eg. When the author stated the Abusir were less Sub-Saharan many brothas threw a tantrum because we are conditioned to think only West Africans are Sub-Saharans. And the authors knew you brothas will go into a tizzy. But Ugandans, Tanzanians, Kenyans even Horners of East Africa are…sub-saharans. When I did a deep dive of the Abusir data…I came to the conclusion the Abusirs were indeed from Tanzania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya and not necessarily West Africa!!! AND TO MY ASTONISHMENT AFTER MY ANALYSIS!!!! Nina Hollfelder published a paper a few months later coming to the same conclusion as I!! Don’t want to blow my own horn. But I told you so!!!! See my threads here on ESR. Title : Northeast African genomic variation shaped by the continuity of indigenous groups and Eurasian migrations - Nina Hollfelder, Published: August 24, 2017 The indigenous groups were …you guessed it…… Tanzania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Sudan and Kenya and not necessarily West Africans. A rebuttals to the Abusir papers??!! Also astonishing, is the incursion of the “Eurasians” were about the time of the Ottoman Turks. I will leave you with this, another prediction, They are spending a lot of time in Botswana and Malawi….the mouth of the Great Lakes Africa. Something is going on!!! They are digging and spending a lot of research there. Don’t’ be surprised if Malawi_Hora-82000BP carried the “original” European ancestry. How would brothers go about doing our own analysis? How could we fund such a project?
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