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Post by anansi on Dec 26, 2017 23:53:19 GMT -5
Recently I was going over the Almoravid dynasty, and happened on an interesting connection with a specific Ghanaian dynasty ruling in Spain. As we all know, the Almoravid started on the banks of the river Senegal under the leadership of the Sanhaja , after inflecting a mortal wound on the Wagadu empire aka Ghana, later to be undone by ecological disaster and the rise of Mali. we also know that troops, of the defeated nation volunteered themselves into the Almoravid empire, but what was surprising to me was ,they seemed to have kept their distinct ethnic identity among the Almoravid and having a dynasty under that ethnic name of the Banu Ghaniya or people/ Children of Ghana. matter of fact their dynasty founder was none other than Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Yusuf Ben Ghaniya. Who ruled the Balearic islands of Spain. {Following the collapse of the Almoravid power at the hand of the Almohads in the 1140s, the Banu Ghaniya continued to govern the Balearic Islands as independent emirs until about 1203, with a brief interruption in the 1180s. Later leaders (Ali ibn Ishaq and Yahya) made a determined attempt to reconquer the Maghreb (and in particular Ifriqiya), taking Bougie, Constantine and Algiers, and conquering most of modern Tunisia from about 1180 onwards. They were influential in the downfall of the Almohad Empire in Eastern Maghrib.[5] In Tunisia Ali ibn Ishaq adhered to the Abbasid Caliphate and was formally appointed by Al-Mustadi with the title of "heir of the Almoravids".[6]} en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_GhaniyaSo in essence we are looking at,atleast a partially Sonniki / lamtuna or Sanhaja dynasty here, a good rebuttal for those folks who want to tell the world that "sub Saharan Africans" had little to do with the Moors or were merely peons.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 27, 2017 11:29:09 GMT -5
So you are saying that this dynasty might have some influence in Moorish Spain, thus extending "sub-Saharan" influence into Europe during that era?
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Post by anansi on Dec 27, 2017 12:05:59 GMT -5
So you are saying that this dynasty might have some influence in Moorish Spain, thus extending "sub-Saharan" influence into Europe during that era? It would seem so, but actually as for sub Saharan influence in Spain, we cannot emphasize enough that the Almoravid dynasty started on the Senegalese river, that's about as Sub Saharan as you can get, next stop would be the forest zones, and the Sanhaja themselves are a Sub Saharan people who ranged far and wide. let's not forget the tight relationship between this expire with that of emergent Mali coming about roughly the same time. The Almoravid literally built their empire on the ashes of Ghana, but they in turn connected themselves with reformist Islam, in this the Benu Ghaniyah held on to their ethnicity in Spain and rose to power even after the Almoravid power structure all but collapsed.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 7, 2018 19:12:48 GMT -5
This is some GOOD info! But I thought the Almoravids bringing about the destruction of Ancient Ghana is a myth? But anyways THANKS! Again this is some juicy info.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 7, 2018 19:52:31 GMT -5
Also is it possible to get sources outside of Wikipedia on this dynasty and Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Yusuf Ben Ghaniy? Because I'm hungry to know more. We already know Western Sudanese aided the Moors in their invasion, again I NEVER knew they actually ruled parts of Spain.
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Post by anansi on Jan 7, 2018 23:56:43 GMT -5
This is some GOOD info! But I thought the Almoravids bringing about the destruction of Ancient Ghana is a myth? But anyways THANKS! Again this is some juicy info. They did not brought about the destruction of Ghana,but they mortality wounded it, ecological changes and Mali did them in. On the question of Ibn Ghaniya , I do need a non wiki source, but I can't give sources I haven't thoroughly read through although ,there are books on him, like the History of Africa by John Fage.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 8, 2018 17:50:36 GMT -5
This is some GOOD info! But I thought the Almoravids bringing about the destruction of Ancient Ghana is a myth? But anyways THANKS! Again this is some juicy info. They did not brought about the destruction of Ghana,but they mortality wounded it, ecological changes and Mali did them in. On the question of Ibn Ghaniya , I do need a non wiki source, but I can't give sources I haven't thoroughly read through although ,there are books on him, like the History of Africa by John Fage. Does that book thoroughly cover him?
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 9, 2018 15:39:16 GMT -5
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