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Post by nebsen on Mar 3, 2018 2:36:27 GMT -5
www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/black-panther-and-the-invention-of-africawell, I finally saw the film Black Panther, & i will say I really loved this film,still processing because it was for me layered with many affirmative messages. It worked on many levels. yes, it is a comic book character in an action film ; but at the time, so much more. There was a pride that I walked out of the movie house with . I'm still thinking about this film after 3 days. my main criticism is I wanted more. I have included these video's from Democracy Now & I think some fair criticism about the film . I also have include a link to a article about the Black Panther, Black Panther & The Invention Of Africa by Jelani Cobb which I felt was thought provoking. i have read some criticism of this film which i knew would be out there; some just mean spirited, others ,that for me, missed the main point, of the film. I can see why The Black Panther is so beloved & embraced by Black people, not just in America , but around the world, where it is playing. But, what I never forgot about this film 1st,& foremost that it is entertainment, & not some heavy bogged down didactic, overly intellectual film ,with to much brain & not enough heart . The thought "Where there is no vision, the people parish " kept going around my head. Black Panther gives enough vision for those that thrust to see some possibilities during these dark times.
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Post by anansi on Mar 3, 2018 5:09:32 GMT -5
Will be off to see it tomorrow Sun, my time , Iam pumped, everyone who had seen it loved it, some are planning to see it again. Did you see the IMAX version.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 3, 2018 21:38:39 GMT -5
Will be off to see it tomorrow Sun, my time , Iam pumped, everyone who had seen it loved it, some are planning to see it again. Did you see the IMAX version. Anansi, thought you might like to hear a brother who lives in Japan talk about the Black Panther. No I did not see it in IMax being in my 70's I'm old school, so regular 2D was fine with me, even though I found the sound & sound affects overwhelming at times ;I renumber the time when such things as sound & affects would not bother me at all ; went to the one of the 1st showing of" Star Wars" in S.F.ca at the famous Corana theater in 1978 ? where Dobly Sound was premiered,so I guess old age is letting me know I no longer enjoy such ear drum shattering sound, LOL . can't wait for the DVD, so I can enjoy it in my leisure.what was a pleasant surprise was the number of us Black Elders men, that was in the theater that I went to, we all kind of greeted each other with smiles & nods; with an undertone of( well we made it to see this day! ! ) I hope you report back about your insights about the film , I have a feeling you will enjoy this film very much. One thing I'd like to point out is that I always thought it would be a film about Black Kemet that would do what Black Panther has done for the global Black diaspora, but it is a film about about West, South & East Africa (all the different people of Africa that populate this film )that is the entry into Africa but ancient Kemet is featured very prominently in this film, with out it being obvious, or in you face, which I thought was pure genius, I'd like to also hear your take on this ! |
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Post by anansi on Mar 4, 2018 8:48:55 GMT -5
Ooh just saw it, like as I'm typing just now saw it!! and no surprise here, loved it, soo many layers to peel back,Aficentered folks, would recognized much in this movie, and yes I do think this will change things,the locals that saw it With me got it.and is looking fwd for more...will add more later.
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Post by kel on Mar 4, 2018 13:24:42 GMT -5
yes the film is multi-layered with themes. The Director is a genius. He clearly is a conscious black man. He knew he had to make a film that pleased and pandered a bit to the the white/jew paymasters at Disney/Marvel but he did it in way that allowed him to also slip completely subversive elements right under their noses that they would never pick up - being white.....
I too will see it again ....
The homage to Kemet is clear: Isis, Horus, Osiris, Set, Maat ......... he wove this into the film without going all "Hotep".
The obvious theme is the Malcom X/MLK or Magnet/Professor X debate........ But he uses this to slip in a bunch of much more powerful stuff.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 5, 2018 22:16:30 GMT -5
Great interview with Chadwick Boseman & Trevor Noah !
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Post by nebsen on Mar 11, 2018 3:48:31 GMT -5
O.K. since I have waited a couple of days to see if nay one would write about, which i noticed right away, the written African scripts they used in Black Panther; I found out they used 3 African scrips, which are Adinka, Nsibidi, & Bamam .the 1st two I'm familiar with ,but not with Bamam.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 12, 2018 0:49:09 GMT -5
Here is a excellent video on African Scripts by" Home Team" which he did awhile back. .
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Post by anansi on Mar 12, 2018 7:07:09 GMT -5
Oh seems like the movie is doing well in China also,BTW saw some comments from Chinese folks, their reviews are mostly positive, and seemed to have a positive effect images wise, it is hard for folks living in the U.S to understand the effects of movie or media on the impressions of non Americans without much contact with AAs or Africans, they said as much in interviews, that they walked away with more positive attitude of Black ppl, the characters were strong and regal, like we have been saying all along we should be responsible for the images we put out about ourselves, as that one line from B.P (the world is watching).
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Post by nebsen on Mar 12, 2018 18:41:17 GMT -5
Oh seems like the movie is doing well in China also,BTW saw some comments from Chinese folks, their reviews are mostly positive, and seemed to have a positive effect images wise, it is hard for folks living in the U.S to understand the effects of movie or media on the impressions of non Americans without much contact with AAs or Africans, they said as much in interviews, that they walked away with more positive attitude of Black ppl, the characters were strong and regal, like we have been saying all along we should be responsible for the images we put out about ourselves, as that one line from B.P (the world is watching). Yes,Anansi I saw a article about how Black Panther racked in $20 million in one day alone in China. But folks seem to forget how Asians in including the Chinese : The Chinese exclusion act (late 1800's I believe) were made into horrible stereotypes of Chinese; having lived on the West Coast I'm well aware of how they were treated & viewed; including the Japaneses during WW2 . But also I'm aware how most Africans seem to welcome others from other races, into there countries , & seem to view others as just different kinds of people, some have said this has been Africa's down fall. As a child of the 60's we carried Chairman Moas "little Red book" with pride, knowing that the Cultural Revolution had Africa's back & understood our fight AA in this country at the time. But how times changes things. |
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Post by nebsen on Mar 21, 2018 17:53:41 GMT -5
Well, there have been some bad reviews of Black Panther coming out of China, I knew that would be the case at some point. Surprised, not really, but it does highlight the racism & build in biases that many, not all Chinese people have towards Black people world wide. I have posted some video;s that talk about this ,2 by Black people, & 1 buy a white, guy about this film in China & one by an American Chinese guy to be fair.
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Post by anansi on Mar 21, 2018 19:15:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the links, some folks hates some loved it, but it's some of the so called professional reviewers, that have problems with it and may drive the movie downwards.
But whatever, Black Hollywood should keep pumping out quality flicks that appeal to black folks first and foremost and if it catches on among a wider audiences then more better, I mean when was the last time most folks reading this thread,saw a Chinese made flick or even care to, I bet not since the era of Bruce Lee, so yeah BP broke ground in China regardless.
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Post by kel on Mar 21, 2018 21:43:32 GMT -5
The most popular Western entertainment product on China is NBA Basketball.
Hip-Hop is becoming so popular in China that the government was forced to BAN it.
Therefore, Black hero/action films will become just as popular once they get more used to seeing them.
Negro sport, music, and drama will be the dominant entertainment forms for the forseeable future. The only reason the film form isnt already more popular is due to the excessive control that a certain ethnic subset have over finance and distribution of film - said group has purposely suppressed black representation in action/hero film for a long time. But the competitive pressures are building up due to technology and they are now forced set aside the worst of their racism for the time being in order to make money.
Fast and Furious ( a "black" film in disguise) and Black Panther have gone over the billion dollar mark easy. The message is clear. America and the World want Black entertainment product as their preferred product of consumption.
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Post by anansi on Mar 22, 2018 6:23:38 GMT -5
@ Kel, I agree it's a process not an event, but the Chinese can be influenced by colorism, the preferred "Black" is called Obama black and are usually associated with AAs, continental Africans are assumed to be much darker,but here is the rub, it is among Africans that they are banking their future on and with whom they have the most contacts at the moment at home or abroad.
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Post by nebsen on Apr 4, 2018 23:19:57 GMT -5
The most popular Western entertainment product on China is NBA Basketball. Hip-Hop is becoming so popular in China that the government was forced to BAN it. Therefore, Black hero/action films will become just as popular once they get more used to seeing them. Negro sport, music, and drama will be the dominant entertainment forms for the forseeable future. The only reason the film form isnt already more popular is due to the excessive control that a certain ethnic subset have over finance and distribution of film - said group has purposely suppressed black representation in action/hero film for a long time. But the competitive pressures are building up due to technology and they are now forced set aside the worst of their racism for the time being in order to make money. Fast and Furious ( a "black" film in disguise) and Black Panther have gone over the billion dollar mark easy. The message is clear. America and the World want Black entertainment product as their preferred product of consumption. Yes, somewhat correct as I see it. One thing that the Chinese along with other Asians love both secretly &overly when it comes to Black folks is our " athleticism "they love it; it's like a " aphrodisiac ' esp Basketball, is very , very, popular in China along with Black players & the fact that there was a Chinese player in the NBA for a short time who helped popularize basketball in China. Like many white Westerners they love to eroticize the Black body. What the Black Panther had as a film about Black people that was different was it was not only about our physical strength, but our Brain power to manipulate highly advanced technical tools . I believe many Chinese could not reconcile the two in the Black body, along with that, add " Power" & "self determination" it was like "cognitive dissonance" for many Asian just like for some whites.They are used to believing the "stereotype" that Black people could only play, sports, dance & sing, but had no real intellectual, cognitive capabilities; that's only reserved for Asians & Westerners( whites ) That was a step to far for many Chinese & it than became about" being to dark to see' etc. In another words, there egos would not allow them to see another narrative about Black people ! |
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