Mitochondrial DNA profile of the Djehutynakht mummy

[panafrica88]

Just found this article of dna of 12th dynasty mummy Djehutynahkt from euroloons. I wonder if it’s legit i’ve looked this up & have found no further info. BUT of course your YouTube trolls phony7 & astupidegyptian are grasping at straws... I know you guys don’t give these trolls attention . do you guys have any further info on this? Is this another pawn from Eurocentrics, what is the breakdown? Thanks
www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/9/3/135/htm
youtu.be/lbuTPV8WgUg

[mike111]

Thank you for posting something worth thinking about panafrica88 - on your first try no less!

At first as I was reading the study, I was wondering what your interest was, until they got to their purpose.

That being to suggest that ancient Egyptians were not related to Sub-Saharan Africans, but rather, were related to Middle-Easterners and Asians. panafrica88, I don't know your background, but you will find this quite common, that is to say, White and Mongol scientists of substantial education, making up the most ludicrous lies about their fellow humans. And depending only on the ignorance of their readers to get away with it.

You might ask, well why would these people put their reputations on the line to propagate a lie, or series of lies?

For the same reason that most of these Forum boards are owned and moderated by White people.

For the same reason that most of these Forum boards are peopled by White people with Black icons, or otherwise making believe that they are Black. For the same reason that this thread will likely be deleted.

But in the meantime, gather what you can.

[mike111]

panafrica88 - First of all, you should always try to make people aware of who the LIAR scientists are: in this case they are.....

Odile Loreille 1,*, Shashikala Ratnayake 2, Adam L. Bazinet 2Orcid, Timothy B. Stockwell 2, Daniel D. Sommer 2Orcid, Nadin Rohland 3Orcid, Swapan Mallick 3, Philip L.F. Johnson 4Orcid, Pontus Skoglund 5, Anthony J. Onorato 1, Nicholas H. Bergman 2, David Reich 3,6 and Jodi A. Irwin 1

They set up their lie in this paragraph: "4.2. Eurasian mtDNA Haplogroups in Ancient Egyptians"

They say THIS:

Quote: On top of this historical information offering an explanation for the observed mtDNA data are now additional, recently published, mtGenomes from Africa, and Egypt in particular. MtDNA haplotypes recently obtained from ancient human remains from sub-Saharan Africa belong only to haplogroup L subgroups [65,88]. However, nearly all of the remains excavated in the Northern part of the continent belong to Eurasian mtDNA lineages [63,67,74,89,90]. In fact, of the 114 mtDNA genomes now available from northern African ancient human remains, only one belongs to an African lineage (L3 observed in a skeleton from Abusir el-Meleq [74]).

The full answer to this lie would require way more time than I am willing to contribute; but this statement and a haplogroup map of Africa should sufficiently inform you.

If the pictures don't show, here are the links:


http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Book%20quote.JPG

http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Prehistoric_Art/Mtdna_africa.jpg

[mike111]

panafrica88 - Their lie may seem a big deal to you, but let me assure you that it is a very minor matter.

The real question is WHY White people and White Mongols all over the world, are invested in creating and perpetuating these "RACE" lies.

[djoser-xyyman]

Biological Sexing of a 4000-Year-Old Egyptian Mummy Head to Assess the Potential of Nuclear DNA Recovery from the Most Damaged and Limited
Forensic Specimens - Odile Loreille 1 , David Reich


250km South of Cairo


Mitochondrial Haplotype
The mtGenome profile independently obtained from the tooth by the FBI and HMS laboratories
were identical and can be found in Table S2. The haplotype (deposited in GenBank under accession
number MG736653) belongs to mitochondrial DNA lineage U5b2b5, but the specific sequence has
not been previously reported in the ***35,942 mtGenomes**** stored in the NCBI GenBank database (as of
October 2017). The sequence closest to the mummy’s belongs to a contemporary individual from
Lebanon (KT779192 [67]); however, the two haplotypes still differ at five positions, three of them in the
control region (CR). A comparison between the mummy CR and the 26,127 CR sequences from the
EMPOP database produced no match.


To better understand the mtDNA lineage of the mummy in the context of known Egyptian
mtDNA diversity, the mummy haplogroup was compared to the mtDNA haplogroup distribution
of 668 Egyptians from various modern populations [68–73]. The dominant haplogroups among this
dataset were haplogroup T (11.98%) and L3 (11.23%; Table S3). Out of the 64 individuals who belonged
to haplogroup U, seven belonged to *****haplogroup U5 (1.05%)******, and three (0.5%) belonged to one of the
U5b subgroups (U5b1c; U5b1d1a; U5b2a5).
The Djehutynakht sequence was also compared to available ancient human DNA sequences
(Table S4). Not surprisingly, no direct matches to the Djehutynakht sequence have been reported.
However, related U5b2b sequences have been observed in ancient human remains from Europe, and
a haplogroup U5b2c1 haplotype was recently discovered in 2000-year-old remains from Phoenicia [67].
When only the mtDNA sequences recovered from ancient Egyptian human remains are considered,
the Djehutynakht sequence most closely resembles a U5a lineage from sample JK2903, a 2000-year-old
skeleton from Abusir el-Meleq
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Xyyman comment
Very Interesting paper. Since Reich steered this study we will expect a lot of “Eurasian” this and “Eurasian” that . But we know what is called Eurasian autosomal DNA originated Africa and has confirmed to be in DEEEEEP Sub-Saharan Africa (Malawi) about 8000 years ago with Hora individuals and other ancient sub-saharan African !!!!! Even Mota. Eurasian DNA is found through-out sub-saharan Africa because it is NOT of Eurasian/or European origin.

Looking at this mummy I am not sure if he is anything but a modern horner thick lips and all. I am sure the Forensic artistic impression will have him look like….(xxxxx)insert a googled picture of your choosing. Lol! But I am not into picture spamming.




But nevertheless I assume the results is authentic because it was performed by two independent labs. What is fascinating this lineage is indeed found in the “Western” Europe hunter gatherers. But it also found in North Africa and the Sahel amongst African Fulanis. What is even more interesting is that I did not know the Egyptians carry such a high frequency if the “underived” version of mtDNA U5*, 1.05%. This is not found in Europe as far as I know. The underived. Now correct me U5 can split into U5a and U5b. Again this is clear evidence of the bifurcation taking place in Africa near or in the Sahara.

What is also interesting is this specific sub-group is NOT found amongst Europeans 26,127 + 35,942 = 62069 Europeans and the “Lebanese” sample is off by 5 mutations. Of course African DNA was not included and why should it be? After all Eurasian AIM was NOT found in DEEEEEP sub-saharan Africa 8000years ago.(Insert sarcasm).

When his STR profile comes out I would surprise if he is NOT sub-saharan African ……………….just like the Amarnas.

[djoser-xyyman]

Quote “MtDNA haplotypes recently obtained from ancient human remains from sub-Saharan Africa belong only to haplogroup L subgroups [65,88].” Nice catch Mike.
“Thank you for posting something worth thinking about panafrica88 – on your first try no less!” lol! Witty as ever.

Try to make like mtDNA L is the ONLY African haplogroup. Nice to see you recognized the players. David Reich being the number culprit. Mr “Off with tier heads and unto their women” Steppe overlord.

[panafrica88]

Thanks for the reply guys, like I have said I’ve seen this thrown around by few eurocentrics not that I take their manipulation Or falsities as truth but rather more lies perpetuated by them that we have to debunk lol. They(euro/arabcentrics) are using this to lessen the african influence & or Southern orgins of Egyptians by claiming them to be Eurasians. personally the word is very off-putting to me as if it is a slick and dubious way of saying they are closer to Europeans & some would think that way after hearing it multiple times. Mike I spotted that lie right away LOL “most northern African mtdna lineages are Eurasian” they are hell bent on claiming north Africa as some mythical non African non black people that spawned up outta of nowhere. I have been on ES using some of you guy’s references in debates etc which is very much indeed helpful. ps DNA ,haplogroups is not my strong-suit I only know the basics Which is why I come here to get a better understanding.

So basically all this Eurasian mess is really just ancient african dna haplogroups that have spread out to what they refer today as Mideast or Asia. Sort of like the abusir genome study most of these dna lineages were found in sub Saharan Africans that’s exactly one of the reasons the left east and Central Africans our of it amh more lies and deception.

thank you guys. Hopefully when more of this study comes out I would love for guys to discuss and breakdown the data. I’m going to be saving this and reading more up on it.

[mike111]

Mar 5, 2018 15:29:22 GMT -5 panafrica88 said:

thank you guys. Hopefully when more of this study comes out I would love for guys to discuss and breakdown the data. I’m going to be saving this and reading more up on it.

This link will aid you in understanding DNA:

"The Nonsense of White Genes"

http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/European_DNA_table.htm

[djoser-xyyman]

For the record and from Wiki.

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Quote:
U5b arose between 19,000 and 26,000 years ago[32] and has polymorphisms in 150 7768 14182 ( + U5 polymorphisms). Found among Siwa Berbers of the Siwa Oasis.[33]
U5b1 arose between 11,000 and 20,000 years ago[34] and has polymorphisms in 5656 ( + U5b polymorphisms).
U5b1a has polymorphisms in 5656 15097, 16189 and has lost its polymorphism in 7028 (backmutation) ( + U5b1 polymorphisms).
U5b1b: has been found in Saami of Scandinavia, Finnish and the Berbers of North Africa, which were found to share an extremely young branch, aged merely ∼9,000 years. U5b1b was also found in Fulbe and Papel people in Guinea-Bissau and Yakuts people of northeastern Siberia.[35][36] It arose around 11000 years ago and has polymorphisms in 12618 16189 ( + U5b1 polymorphisms).
U5b1c has polymorphisms in 5656 15191, 16189, 16311 ( + U5b1 polymorphisms) and arose about 13,000 years ago
U5b1d has polymorphisms in 5437 5656 and has lost its polymorphism in 16192 (backmutation) ( + U5b1 polymorphism

U5 is rarer in South Caucasus (3.5%), Iran (3%), Turkey (3%), Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Egypt (all around 1.5%). It is only found at trace frequencies (<1%) in Jordan and the Arabian peninsula. In North Africa, U5 peaks in Morocco (4%), followed by Libya (3.5%), Tunisia and Algeria (both 2%).

). "The Complex and Diversified Mitochondrial Gene Pool of Berber Populations" - C. Coudray; A. Olivieri;

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As I said. We as brothas need to take a deep understanding of DNA. This is where the lies are being told not….get involved

1. So the U5b underived, the ancestral form is found in Africans Siwa
2. U5b1b is found in African Fulbe and Guinea Bissau. Amazingly common in distant populations like Yokuts, Finnish and Papel of Guinea-Bissau.

If the ancestral form of U5b and the major sub-clade U5b1a are BOTH found in Africans. My money is Djehutynahkt(U5b2b5) is an indigenous African. La Brana (U5b2c1 of La Brana). U5b2c1 less than 8,000 years ago.[43] Found in a Carthage individual from Tunisia

[anansi]

Let's say they are being factual about this mummy, so what?? the Levant was fill With black or black enough ppl not of recent African origins ,matter of fact their presence reach the Zargos MTS, hell there are Black folks there today who have always been there, a genotype can only get you so far eg Albert Einstein and Barack Obama shared some genetic feature from Africa, do the look the same or carry the same cultural history??

[moromoro]

I think the issue is the white- or middle eastern-washing of the origins

[djoser-xyyman]

[djoser-xyyman]

Here is white European woman with mtDNA L2a carrying close to 60% EUROPEAN ancestry. You can’t get more African than L2a…right? Lol! SMH

[mike111]

Mar 9, 2018 15:07:10 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

Here is white European woman with mtDNA L2a carrying close to 60% EUROPEAN ancestry. You can’t get more African than L2a…right? Lol! SMH

When you used the term "Berber" in the previous post, you doomed yourself.

As you know, the White man uses his control over media: Books, Encyclopedias, Newspapers, Magazines, Museums, Movies, T.V. internet forums like this one, etc. to control knowledge and what we believe is fact.

And with that power he tells us that (Staying in North Africa) Egyptians were White, Arabs were White, Berbers were White, etc.

As a matter of fact, if you Google "Who are berber people?"

Answer provided by - Britannica.com
Berber, self-name Amazigh, plural Imazighen, any of the descendants of the pre-Arab inhabitants of North Africa. The Berbers live in scattered communities across Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Mali, Niger, and Mauretania.

AND THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT YOU GET!

[mike111]

^Now of course common sense would tell you that there is no way that "Un-melaninated" humans could be native to North Africa - The Sun would of course kill them before they could sufficiently cloth and house themselves.

But still the question remains as to exactly WHO those White people are, where did they come from - and WHEN?

To answer that I'm going to have to start a new thread.