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Post by clydewin98 on Mar 10, 2018 18:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by nebsen on Mar 11, 2018 4:01:35 GMT -5
Great information, but many say they are not African, but is that a play on origin , could one say technically they are of African decent ? |
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Post by mike111 on Mar 11, 2018 10:47:07 GMT -5
Melanesian's are Africans. Great information, but many say they are not African, but is that a play on origin , could one say technically they are of African decent ?
It is settled science that ALL of the worlds people are descended from Africans of the out of Africa migrations (OOA): circa 100,000 - 50,000 years ago.
Study: New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution
Date: May 10, 2007
Source: University Of Cambridge
Summary:
New research confirms the "Out Of Africa" hypothesis that all modern humans stem from a single group of Homo sapiens who emigrated from Africa 2,000 generations ago and spread throughout Eurasia over thousands of years. These settlers replaced other early humans (such as Neanderthals), rather than interbreeding with them. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070509161829.htm |
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Post by mike111 on Mar 11, 2018 10:51:06 GMT -5
^That was over ten years ago, so of course it doesn't have all of the most current information.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 12, 2018 1:14:44 GMT -5
^That was over ten years ago, so of course it doesn't have all of the most current information. Well, you sound defensive & righteous on the matter. I'm well aware of the information that you link is about. what my query was, how do we make a distinction with many different treads of information both academic & otherwise . I tend to go with the research that of Runoko Rashidi; who has been doing research for the past 30 + years ; & is about the time I became aware of his work & writings; starting with" African Presence In Early Asia ". Since Clyde Winters is another researcher, who has been in the field for years I just wanted some clarification of his position on the matter. For the uninitiated this information can be confusing. I think some refinement on the subject of Melanesians is in order ; new information genetics,oral histories, etc. So if one is sharing, giving, information I believe one should come equipped, for other on the opposing side, sure will ! We are on the same side, I believe ; so a little less defensiveness & more sharing of information for the growth of all, is always a good thing, Nebsen www.vice.com/en_au/article/5gq3vd/dna-shows-aboriginal-australians-are-the-most-ancient-culture-in-the-world A link article on the Aborginal of Australian genome. |
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Post by mike111 on Mar 12, 2018 8:02:50 GMT -5
^That was over ten years ago, so of course it doesn't have all of the most current information. We are on the same side, I believe ; so a little less defensiveness & more sharing of information for the growth of all, is always a good thing, Nebsen Defensiveness?  Are you serious? You asked a question which clearly indicated that you didn't know. I responded with information which was intended to alleviate your lack of knowledge. Now you want to play like you knew all along, and was merely playing "Devils Advocate". No I don't buy that, like many here, you want to act like you know much more than you actually do, So you spend your time "Fronting" rather than asking questions and learning. Which is fine with me, I teach those who want to be taught, and ignore those who don't. Just don't try that simple Negro sh1t with me, that's all. |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 12, 2018 10:59:55 GMT -5
^That was over ten years ago, so of course it doesn't have all of the most current information. Well, you sound defensive & righteous on the matter. I'm well aware of the information that you link is about. what my query was, how do we make a distinction with many different treads of information both academic & otherwise . I tend to go with the research that of Runoko Rashidi; who has been doing research for the past 30 + years ; & is about the time I became aware of his work & writings; starting with" African Presence In Early Asia ". Since Clyde Winters is another researcher, who has been in the field for years I just wanted some clarification of his position on the matter. For the uninitiated this information can be confusing. I think some refinement on the subject of Melanesians is in order ; new information genetics,oral histories, etc. So if one is sharing, giving, information I believe one should come equipped, for other on the opposing side, sure will ! We are on the same side, I believe ; so a little less defensiveness & more sharing of information for the growth of all, is always a good thing, Nebsen www.vice.com/en_au/article/5gq3vd/dna-shows-aboriginal-australians-are-the-most-ancient-culture-in-the-world I don't see why Mike11 is getting on the high horse, he who claims to be out to "teach" people. You did not ask about general migration out of Africa. You wanted more specifics on precisely what SPECIFIC parameters were being used to define Melanesians as Africans. Is it just a labeling game, or are specific parameters at work? If DNA, what DNA specifically, based on what time depth and definition? And how does it correspond with the movement of Asiatic peoples in the region, who have also added their genetic influences to groups throughout the region, including Polynesian and Papuan links? Are they African as well? Based on what parameters? If Melanesians are just Africans, simply based on relabeling their DNA, then why arent' Aztecs, or Chinese, or white Europeans called Africans as well based on this mode of reasoning? At what level do they cease being African? And when do they cease? Hopefully you will get specific, answers that add value to your query. |
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Post by mike111 on Mar 12, 2018 11:46:40 GMT -5
I don't see why Mike11 is getting on the high horse, he who claims to be out to "teach" people. You did not ask about general migration out of Africa. You wanted more specifics on precisely what SPECIFIC parameters were being used to define Melanesians as Africans. Is it just a labeling game, or are specific parameters at work? If DNA, what DNA specifically, based on what time depth and definition? And how does it correspond with the movement of Asiatic peoples in the region, who have also added their genetic influences to groups throughout the region, including Polynesian and Papuan links? Are they African as well? Based on what parameters? If Melanesians are just Africans, simply based on relabeling their DNA, then why arent' Aztecs, or Chinese, or white Europeans called Africans as well based on this mode of reasoning? At what level do they cease being African? And when do they cease? Hopefully you will get specific, answers that add value to your query. Are you asking a question? Or are you just trying to sound like you know something? The questions I can answer, your other problem, I can't help you with. |
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Post by nebsen on Mar 12, 2018 17:25:01 GMT -5
Well, you sound defensive & righteous on the matter. I'm well aware of the information that you link is about. what my query was, how do we make a distinction with many different treads of information both academic & otherwise . I tend to go with the research that of Runoko Rashidi; who has been doing research for the past 30 + years ; & is about the time I became aware of his work & writings; starting with" African Presence In Early Asia ". Since Clyde Winters is another researcher, who has been in the field for years I just wanted some clarification of his position on the matter. For the uninitiated this information can be confusing. I think some refinement on the subject of Melanesians is in order ; new information genetics,oral histories, etc. So if one is sharing, giving, information I believe one should come equipped, for other on the opposing side, sure will ! We are on the same side, I believe ; so a little less defensiveness & more sharing of information for the growth of all, is always a good thing, Nebsen www.vice.com/en_au/article/5gq3vd/dna-shows-aboriginal-australians-are-the-most-ancient-culture-in-the-world I don't see why Mike11 is getting on the high horse, he who claims to be out to "teach" people. You did not ask about general migration out of Africa. You wanted more specifics on precisely what SPECIFIC parameters were being used to define Melanesians as Africans. Is it just a labeling game, or are specific parameters at work? If DNA, what DNA specifically, based on what time depth and definition? And how does it correspond with the movement of Asiatic peoples in the region, who have also added their genetic influences to groups throughout the region, including Polynesian and Papuan links? Are they African as well? Based on what parameters? If Melanesians are just Africans, simply based on relabeling their DNA, then why arent' Aztecs, or Chinese, or white Europeans called Africans as well based on this mode of reasoning? At what level do they cease being African? And when do they cease? Hopefully you will get specific, answers that add value to your query. Yes, this is pretty much what I'm asking for. At this time I do feel that a coherent synopses would help greatly for those who want up-date information for there understanding on the peoples of & decedents of Melanesians. As you know Dr.S. Ketia also has his take on the subject, which I found fascinating African migration is not in dispute with me, but as you outlined there are other variables ,that need to be taken in account for a coherent understanding . |
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Post by nebsen on Mar 12, 2018 18:00:41 GMT -5
We are on the same side, I believe ; so a little less defensiveness & more sharing of information for the growth of all, is always a good thing, Nebsen Defensiveness? Are you serious? You asked a question which clearly indicated that you didn't know. I responded with information which was intended to alleviate your lack of knowledge. Now you want to play like you knew all along, and was merely playing "Devils Advocate". No I don't buy that, like many here, you want to act like you know much more than you actually do, So you spend your time "Fronting" rather than asking questions and learning. Which is fine with me, I teach those who want to be taught, and ignore those who don't. Just don't try that simple Negro sh1t with me, that's all. You know I really don't know you, or have I engaged with you on any important topics. I saw the post,( your venomous post,) at Anansi about being censored for some prier posts, & than using a post (my post) as an example of nonsense. So I know why you are so angry & defensive. But being angry & name calling only, highlights your immaturity & silliness. Last year there seems to have been an influx of young people on this site with ( some I believe to be trolls) a lots of bravado,& frankly disrespectful attitudes which I fond disturbing. There can be heated debates & much passion about a given topic without the disrespectful tone, & animus . I have been with E.S. & now ESR for years now & have seen my share of heated disagreements( self included) but lately the tone parallels the toxic tone of this country at this time, even when the topic is not political . So I will not respond to any of your post for you seem to be in a very toxic space & therefor I don't want to play the game of who can be more toxic! I'm OUT ! |
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Post by mike111 on Mar 12, 2018 19:04:47 GMT -5
I saw the post,( your venomous post,) at Anansi about being censored for some prier posts, & than using a post (my post) as an example of nonsense. That was in the General Studies section: Chinese, Japanese, & Korean Emperors thread. Yes, I should have found a nicer way to say that the thread was ill conceived. But as you noted, my ire was really directed at the censor anansi. If you are really Black, then you should also be wary of him, they don't start these forums for nothing. They took control of ES ancient Egypt, which was the only truly open forum. Now here and there, input contrary to their interests is censored. And those who won't play along are banned. ES ancient Egypt went from being the cutting edge of racial anthropological discussion to a forum of poorly educated High Schoolers talking about why Whites adopt Black babies. No doubt that makes the White moderators very happy: Blacks can't expose the wickedness of Whites, when the discussion is limited to such nonsense. |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 13, 2018 0:06:15 GMT -5
If you are unhappy with the forum or Anansi, why are you still here posting?
Why not just move on and back to your own wwracehistory website,
where you can carry out your mission to expose white wickedness
and teach people? You are not adding any value here, and rather than
add substantial detail on the topic at hand, you have spent most of the time
attacking other posters with inane charges. If you don't like the forum or mods,
simply move on. No need for dramatic declarations or manifestos. Just go and
spare everyone the inevitable end game.
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Post by clydewin98 on Mar 13, 2018 6:17:18 GMT -5
Great information, but many say they are not African, but is that a play on origin , could one say technically they are of African decent ? I think we can call them Africans, just like we call whites in Australia and New Zealand Europeans. |
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Post by anansi on Mar 13, 2018 6:59:07 GMT -5
Dr Winters said [I think we can call them Africans, just like we call whites in Australia and New Zealand Europeans. Why?? based on their appearance?? That's really dated thinking here is why. Denisovan DNA retained in Melanesians. science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6282/183.3Way back when, I thought along those same supposedly self-evident lines, based off casual eyeballing, but data is data,and we must follow where it leads,and it says different at least for the moment. And listen it in no ways say we cannot connect on a shared similar experience , I've met Melanesians and still consider them brothers and sisters Black folks is Black folks. |
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Post by clydewin98 on Mar 13, 2018 7:12:30 GMT -5
I saw the post,( your venomous post,) at Anansi about being censored for some prier posts, & than using a post (my post) as an example of nonsense. That was in the General Studies section: Chinese, Japanese, & Korean Emperors thread. Yes, I should have found a nicer way to say that the thread was ill conceived. But as you noted, my ire was really directed at the censor anansi. If you are really Black, then you should also be wary of him, they don't start these forums for nothing. They took control of ES ancient Egypt, which was the only truly open forum. Now here and there, input contrary to their interests is censored. And those who won't play along are banned. ES ancient Egypt went from being the cutting edge of racial anthropological discussion to a forum of poorly educated High Schoolers talking about why Whites adopt Black babies. No doubt that makes the White moderators very happy: Blacks can't expose the wickedness of Whites, when the discussion is limited to such nonsense. I miss the Ancient Egypt section, at Egyptsearch as well. I wrote a Requiem to the Ancient Egypt Forum of Egyptsearch Forums on my blog @ bafsudralam.blogspot.com/2017/07/requiem-to-ancient-egypt-forum-of.html I have had several post on ES deleted and they edit any post that do not support the Eurocentric or status quo view.As a result, I only make limited post at ES. I am sure the traffic at ES has declined without Mike111. The posters there don't understand that population genetics is based on "inferences", not hypotheses testing. As a result, the inferences must be supported by archeaological evidence. Population Geneticists as they attempt to make the Neolithic Europeans white, have abandon writing articles based on archaeogenetic data, in favor of descriptive Bayasian inferential articles. They had to do this once V88 was identified in Europe as the oldest Neolithic and hunter-gather Y-chromosome. Given what happened at Egyptsearch I can understand why Mike111 might fear the same thing will happen here. I have been posting here since the site opened and my post have not been edited or deleted. Granted, my post did not catch on fire because most posters here have come here to learn --but there were no posters like Mike111, and other regular Afrocentric ES posters here to supplement what I posted.Things might change if more former ES posters come over here. Some of the ES posters did not post here because it appeared that some of the Admin did not want to call a spade a spade because they wanted to be "responsible". Although, researchers may have felt this way, up to today, I have not seen my own work edited on deleted. The average Afro-American is waiting for whites to pat them on the head--so you have to be weary about any Afro site because the Admin may at anytime become conservative in the hope they are being "fair".I pray that ES Reloaded will continue to be an open forum |
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