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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:04:18 GMT -5
from a commentor "Share › − Avatar Shi Huang • a day ago Why no discussion at all on Y and mtDNA data? May be something inconvenient? Why were Y chr haplotype A and BT so commonly found in ancient Turkmenistan (in supplementary table), when only CT are thought to have left Africa in the OOA model?"
-------- make up your mind! schock and jive?
Quote: “ From the author
This is a first? "*****In the spirit of open science****,
"*****In the spirit of open science****, the authors of this study are inviting anyone who wishes to look carefully at this manuscript to write to us to let us know (a) if you find any errors, and (b) if you have any suggestions for changes that we could incorporate in the revision. We are also posting the data for the 362 newly reported ancient samples on our website and are open to suggestions for new analyses to include in our final submitted manuscript. If you wish to access the full analysis dataset including previously published samples some of which require a signed letter affirming certain conditions before for data release, please write to David Reich (reich@genetics.med.harvard.edu)"”
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:04:51 GMT -5
an you link/source or blow that up? Can't read it.
Here is an interest post on the blog…to you “scholars” on linguistics and “documented” text and history. This is where you come in. What this guy is saying. Is it true. If what he is saying is true then we should not even have discussion. Sage, DJ, Lioness, Capra, Swenet, T-Rex etc.
Did the ancient text originate in the south and not the north of India. The south is dominated by blacks. Did farmers it come from the “Near East”/Africa?
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Avatar Abhijit Adhikari Vagheesh Narasimhan • 2 days ago Dr. Narasimhan, Respectfully submitting my two bits, some may not stand your scrutiny but a few may.
1. "While we do not have access to any DNA directly sampled from the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC)". 2. 3. 4. Brahmins and Bhumihars are not the same. Bhumihars may not be the custodians of ancient texts, they were just landlords. North Indian Brahmins have nothing to do with South Indian Brahmins in the context of sharing the writing of ancient Sanskrit texts. The ancient Sanskrit texts, were all supposed to have been written in Southern India, therefore there can be no linkage proved between the arrival of Iranian agriculturists, Steppe_EMBA, Steppe_MLBA, their mixing with IVC to create ANI and using that to prove that Sanskrit language was passed on to Indians as part of IE language sharing. The texts were written much earlier and in South India, where no admixture sharing was found with the west asian or central asian immigrants. Thus if anything, this proves that the ancient knowledge originated within peninsular India. In any case, Sanskrit has more than 90% of the IE language words as compared to any other language in the world (ancient or modern), and so this very strongly suggests that the IE language moved outward from India and not moved in from outside.
5. South Asians have Steppe ancestry due to Steppe_MLBA cluster, and also high frequency of R1a haplogroup, both of which are absent in Yamnaya, which were of the Steppe_EMBA descent. So how does this lead to a suggestion that Late Proto-Indo-European was the language of the Yamnaya? This is no proof at all that IE was the language of the Yamnaya. And from there the authors go on to suggest that this proto-IE language was the precursor of the advanced Sanskrit language developed in Indian peninsula because of the arrival of the Steppe population in India? 6. 7. 8. This is the theory being propounded for South Asia:
West Asian agricultural technology spread from an origin in the Near East in the 7th and 6th millennia BCE via the Iranian plateau
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:05:19 GMT -5
Blowing smoke again ElMaestro? Not sure where this is going but….. You are becoming a suspicious dude. Just saying. Shi Huang BS. in Genetics, Fudan Univ.; Ph.D. in Biochemistry, UC Davis; Faculty previously at SBP Institute San Diego, and now Central South Univ., China
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:06:09 GMT -5
Nice try ElMaestro. As I said you may be young enough to be my son. I am uncle to a 22year old. Your erratic strategy will not work, I teach my young ones they don’t teach me. First off – the author never denied these were yDNA A. He is convinced may be yDNA A. The “read” is correct. The spin he gave is it may be contamination or aDNA damage. Maybe a Khoi-San or Sudanese was one of the lab technicians pulling the sample. Lol! May be they did not do due diligence and confirm aDNA (degradation) as most modern research labs started doing? Reich Labs is top notch....supposedly
Are you are lawyer or student ElMaestro? Really?! The author did not deny the reads are correct. He said possible contamination etc. You moved from “low reads” to …”we may never know” SMH. You know I have you figured out? Don’t you?
And yes, I saw the Chimp the first time I looked at the data. Also a modern Irula(hence my picture of the Irula). So the data is correct it is an ancestral form of YDNA either A or A00 or earlier. But since it is from a HUMAN that is only about 4000year old. We have to assume yDNA A or A00 or the like but definitely xBT.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:06:48 GMT -5
I am really happy I dug deeper. Man! This is some astonishing stuff. This is a remarkable coincidence. BOTH two advanced civilization Persia and IVC has the heaviest African presence in Asia. WOOOWWWWW!!!!! This is no chance occurrence. My God! We have been lied to for how long?. Holy Shit! Now we see these ancient peoples are carrying African DNA. Man they had us going for hundreds of years. But give credit to Sergi and Coon to a lesser extent.. He(Sergi) figured it out over 100years ago. I was fortunate to read his book which trained me to look for clues. DNATribes sealed the deal.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:07:28 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:08:29 GMT -5
]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] @ Mensa The E-Z830's are those Paki samples and are just a lineage in the old migration(s) from continental NE Afr to AME* who stayed there, deriving AME born and bred descendants, no longer continental having only had local mates to choose from for generations. This study just looks like a report on one of their late expansions to me. * AME = Africa Middle East (x TurkeyIran) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:09:01 GMT -5
"If you ran the genome of corn, yes the crop, corn... It would be assigned haplogroup A by YHaplo. The absence of reads causes the program to Auto-assign to Haplogroup A."
Dr Huang misunderstood...... No the reads are xBT. Human!!!! SMH
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Post by kel on Apr 7, 2018 19:04:51 GMT -5
"I am really happy I dug deeper. Man! This is some astonishing stuff. This is a remarkable coincidence. BOTH two advanced civilization Persia and IVC has the heaviest African presence in Asia. WOOOWWWWW!!!!! This is no chance occurrence.
My God! We have been lied to for how long?. Holy ish!"
Yes. Whites lie.
Mike111 put this out there at realhistoryww.com a while ago. This just puts the nail in the coffin.
Africans founded the all the ancient civilizations.
The old school Afrocentrics and Clyde Winters and rest werent so crazy after all.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 19:48:45 GMT -5
About Reich's book
Who We Are and How We Got Here
a reviewer
ByS. Groseon April 2, 2018 Format: Kindle Edition|Verified Purchase I'm not sure what to think of this book. It is dense, recursive, repetitive. Yet, I read every page with interest. It held my interest. It is mostly an argument rather than a discussion about modern genetics. The author makes statements about 23&me genetic tests but has not taken the test. He assumes there are no surprises hiding within his genetics. He is an authority in the field of ancient genetics but brushed off taking a simple test to give weight to his opinions. He emphasized that the study of modern populations are important to understanding ancient ones, yet he is Jewish but seems to skirt actual Jewish genetic interests. He talks about power between men and women in coded terms, fearful of saying what he's not saying. His indirectness frustrated me. I ended up not trusting the author though the book is valuable.
The reponse
ByS. Groseon April 2, 2018 Format: Kindle Edition|Verified Purchase I'm not sure what to think of this book. It is dense, recursive, repetitive. Yet, I read every page with interest. It held my interest. It is mostly an argument rather than a discussion about modern genetics. The author makes statements about 23&me genetic tests but has not taken the test. He assumes there are no surprises hiding within his genetics. He is an authority in the field of ancient genetics but brushed off taking a simple test to give weight to his opinions. He emphasized that the study of modern populations are important to understanding ancient ones, yet he is Jewish but seems to skirt actual Jewish genetic interests. He talks about power between men and women in coded terms, fearful of saying what he's not saying. His indirectness frustrated me. I ended up not trusting the author though the book is valuable.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 14, 2019 13:37:52 GMT -5
Bump
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