Ancient Egyptian Munny Genome ??

[nebsen]

www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Just came across this abstract titled Ancient Egyptian Mummy Genome , It sounds very fishy to me, but wanted to get those here on ESR who could better break this down than myself. What i did understand they are making the claim that African Black DNA is more in the post Roman period than in dynastic periods of ancient Egypt , & by this guys abstract ancient Egypt is more Levant, than African,i know some have talked about the importance of the Levant ,but I think he is claiming that his DNA mummies prove this from ancient Egypt

[anansi]

Quick rely it's the same misleading study they did last yr, nothing new, they found a town in lower Egypt whose Mummies had connections to the Levant, starting around the middle kingdom, they did not carry out any comprehensive study from upper Egypt where the bulk of the population lay in ancient times, the original report said as much, it's like going to a grave site in Harlem and using the genome therein to prove that AAs were the majority or the ruling class
American society or they were the original Americans.

[nebsen]

Apr 14, 2018 14:00:07 GMT -5 anansi said:

Quick rely it's the same misleading study they did last yr, nothing new, they found a town in lower Egypt whose Mummies had connections to the Levant, starting around the middle kingdom, they did not carry out any comprehensive study from upper Egypt where the bulk of the population lay in ancient times, the original report said as much, it's like going to a grave site in Harlem and using the genome therein to prove that AAs were the majority or the ruling class
American society or they were the original Americans.

Thanks Anansi,that why I love being a member of ESR ,for I have grown so much over the years esp. from veterans like yourself

[melanitex]

Apr 14, 2018 14:00:07 GMT -5 anansi said:

Quick rely it's the same misleading study they did last yr, nothing new, they found a town in lower Egypt whose Mummies had connections to the Levant, starting around the middle kingdom, they did not carry out any comprehensive study from upper Egypt where the bulk of the population lay in ancient times, the original report said as much, it's like going to a grave site in Harlem and using the genome therein to prove that AAs were the majority or the ruling class
American society or they were the original Americans.

Hmm I honestly didn't know that......where is the proof of that or is it just something that is common sense?

Also anansi do you think they will ever conduct any studies on Upper Egypt during earlier periods?

[kel]

"Hmm I honestly didn't know that......where is the proof of that or is it just something that is common sense?"

mostly common sense....usual tricks. But the details on the studies reveal it. nothing new really.

[nebsen]

kemetexpert.com/

Just got this in my email today form Admin about an article that I had read last week which i think ties in to the earlier post of Abstract.

[anansi]

melanitex said:{ Hmm I honestly didn't know that......where is the proof of that or is it just something that is common sense?

Also anansi do you think they will ever conduct any studies on Upper Egypt during earlier periods? }
Yes part of the study [ In their paper, the researchers acknowledged that "all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt." In the south of Egypt, the authors wrote, sub-Saharan influences may have been stronger.

This study left two gaps in the Egyptian timeline that Krause wants to fill, he said. It is not clear when the African gene flow, present in modern Egyptians, occurred. Nor could the study determine the origin of the Egyptians. " ]
www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/05/30/dna-from-ancient-egyptian-mummies-reveals-their-ancestry/

Pls note some articles leave out the above, they put that disclaimer in there for a reason, if anyone challenged their Bull sht, they can say they put it in there and folks overlooked it not their fault, never mind most folks will not do much reading beyond the loud headlines.

Do I think they do a study of Upper Egypt?? "Sigh' donno, but what I do know is upper Egyptians and folks south of them plotted closely on the phenotypic map, and also material neolithic culture.

[zarahan]

Yeah, its a retread of the same old BS. They say they "didn't find much sub-Saharan" ancestry.
Of course, because (a) the sampling deck is stacked towards LATE PERIOD ROman times when there was
more foreign influence, and (b) the samples are taken in the north, where foreign influence was most
dominant, not the historic "darker" south. Its the same kind of stacked deck BS approach they use with
crania- sampling cemeteries far to the north near Cairo, again, areas with more foreign influence, and
calling them "representative" of all Egypt, while excluding the historic south, from which the dynasties
sprung. Its not just web bloggers pointing this out. Even conservative mainstream Egyptologist Barry Kemp,
a sometimes critic of so-called "Afrocentrics" points out this skewed approach on scientific grounds.
If you are doing a credible study that is supposed to be "representative" of something, you use
balanced sampling, not card stacking. Note what Kemp says as to the CRANID database below- re crania:

EGYPTOLOGIST BARRY KEMP ON HOW ANCIENT EGYPTIANS ARE MISREPRESENTED BY SKEWED STUDIES

[zarahan]

RECAP ON ABUSIR STUDY FROM THE DATABASE - YES WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING IT TO EDUCATE NEW
FOLK AND REINFORCE REGULARS, SINCE THE "SPIN" DISTORTERS ARE RELENTLESSLY WORKING 24/7 AGAINST A BALANCED
VIEW OF AFRICAN HISTORY AND THE NILE VALLEY.
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2017 study finds sub-Saharan influence around Roman period. Ancient samples drawn from later period
of Dynastic Egypt -taken from the farther north- downplaying the south, and excluding nearby Nubia & Sudan


Ancient samples from Abusir, near Faiyum in the north


Limitation 1: Samples from Late period-of Egypt- which have more foreign influence quote:

“According to the radiocarbon dates .. the samples can be grouped into three time periods:
Pre-Ptolemaic (New Kingdom, Third Intermediate Period and Late Period), Ptolemaic and Roman Period."


Limitation 2: Sampling from the far north- quote:
Written sources indicate that by the third century BCE Abusir el-Meleq was at the centre of a wider region that comprised the northern part of the Herakleopolites province, and had close ties with the Fayum.. We aim to study changes and continuities in the genetic makeup of the ancient inhabitants of the Abusir el-Meleq community .. since all sampled remains derive from this community in Middle Egypt and have been radiocarbon dated to the late New Kingdom to the Roman Period..”




Limitation 3-summary: Limitations of study candidly admitted by authors - Quote:

“However, we note that all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt. It is possible that populations in the south of Egypt were more closely related to those of Nubia and had a higher sub-Saharan genetic component, in which case the argument for an influx of sub-Saharan ancestries after the Roman Period might only be partially valid and have to be nuanced. Throughout Pharaonic history there was intense interaction between Egypt and Nubia, ranging from trade to conquest and colonialism, and there is compelling evidence for ethnic complexity within households with Egyptian men marrying Nubian women and vice versa 51,52,53. Clearly, more genetic studies on ancient human remains from southern Egypt and Sudan are needed before apodictic statements can be made."
--Schuenemann 2016 Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods.

[zarahan]

This info below is repeated from the database, so new folk get educated, and veteran fighters can use
these resource to hit hard at assorted distortions, misrepresentations and racists.

Their strategy is constant skewing and stacked decks across the board, using various skewed studies
to pound home the propaganda narrative. Naturally, the duller mass of sheeple like Anansi says will
not read beyond the "spin" headlines, which is what they count on. It is up to places like ESR and
folk on the case to likewise keep a counter-narrative going, contradicting the BS.

But in any event they fail on a second count. the closest people ethnically to Egyptians are Nubians
as credible studies have shown for almost a century. They can talk all the want to about "sub Saharan"
African- they can;t get around the fact of the Nubians.






















No matter how much "spin" and word games are played over so-called "sub-Saharan" Africans, to deny or downplay the African
character of Kemet, the Nubians are still in place, and still the closest people ethnically to the Egyptians, "sub-Saharan"
word game spin or no..



^^Per subtle insinuations of the "spin" doctors using ancient DNA studies, people looking like the above
were "non existent" in Kemet..

Don't just passively read this info. Go to Facebook, go on the web, go to Youtube and post this data, and share real
data with others, rather than the usual fluff. Keep hitting the distorters hard, where ever they may be.