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Post by kel on May 8, 2018 12:21:51 GMT -5
This thread is error tho.
Most so called a-rabs are not a-rabs at all but are Turks and turk mulattoes OR in the case of the the "arab" slave trade - arabicized Africans .....
So it would make sense that these Egyptian fake arabs/ and turk mulattoes are racist. Like their White Euro counterparts they have a fake identity and the presence of true Africans makes them self conscious........
They treat the so-called Nubians the same way - problem is that the so-called Nubians are true Black Egyptians - it is a case of invaders assuming the cultural identity of true owners and then trying to mistreat the indigenous occupants.
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Post by mellomusings on May 8, 2018 17:22:37 GMT -5
This thread is error tho. Most so called a-rabs are not a-rabs at all but are Turks and turk mulattoes OR in the case of the the "arab" slave trade - arabicized Africans ..... So it would make sense that these Egyptian fake arabs/ and turk mulattoes are racist. Like their White Euro counterparts they have a fake identity and the presence of true Africans makes them self conscious........ They treat the so-called Nubians the same way - problem is that the so-called Nubians are true Black Egyptians - it is a case of invaders assuming the cultural identity of true owners and then trying to mistreat the indigenous occupants. No this thread isn't "error", and if you're so concerned about the original inhabitants of Egypt how do you plan on going about solving such issues? Invaders or not history as is life itself as it goes on today is ripe with struggle, conflict, and constant competition for resources, war does not care who is right or who has the moral argument it only cares who is the victor. So in this case the original inhabitants stand as the conquered unless you yourself have some grand scheme of organizing a standing army to usurp these "foreigners".
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Post by kel on May 8, 2018 19:09:38 GMT -5
huh
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Post by zarahan on May 8, 2018 19:36:55 GMT -5
Mello musings said: If I'm not mistaken there were West Africans that came and settled in the area as well, I recall reading a pdf article discussing the cosmopolitan nature of West Africans and how to and from the pilgrimage to Mecca they would often times settle in various places such as modern day Sudan and start communities
Do you have an abstract you can post and link to that pdf article you mention? What were the economic influences brought about by the various movements?
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Post by mellomusings on May 8, 2018 20:15:44 GMT -5
huh Ultimately your post had little to do with this thread although it has some relevance. It's just whenever people rant about things like that I'm always curious as to what their solution would be, because Egypt is pretty much Arab or as in your case "Turkish", territory.
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Post by mellomusings on May 8, 2018 20:27:59 GMT -5
Mello musings said: If I'm not mistaken there were West Africans that came and settled in the area as well, I recall reading a pdf article discussing the cosmopolitan nature of West Africans and how to and from the pilgrimage to Mecca they would often times settle in various places such as modern day Sudan and start communities Do you have an abstract you can post and link to that pdf article you mention? What were the economic influences brought about by the various movements? Yes as a matter of fact I do but that will have to wait until I can gain access to an internet connection I'm currently using phone data.
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Post by mellomusings on May 12, 2018 20:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by kel on May 12, 2018 20:53:44 GMT -5
good stuff
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Post by mellomusings on May 13, 2018 11:23:45 GMT -5
Each one teach one, just trying to help spread information. If you're interested I have postings from the Tarikh-al-Fattash one of the few known historical chronicles of West Africa it isn't that old but I don't concern myself over the antiquity of the work it's just the fact it exists contradicts the claim Africans have no written history.
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Post by africurious on May 14, 2018 0:27:58 GMT -5
So I wasn't exactly sure where to post this but since it's concerning religion (Islam to be specific) so I'll just rant from here. More often times than not do I notice most "Afrocentrics", or any other assortment of pro-black types when discussing African history rail against Islam which is understanble to an extent. They sing the praises of Mansa Musa yet he was noted as a pious and devout Muslim, cling to the scholarly legacy of Timbuktu despite it's overt Islamic influence, quote Malcom X all day, and go on about how the Moors ruled over Europe (Southern Europe to be extact i.e. Spain) even though it was obvious that they were overwhelmingly Muslim. Of course some of the predictable responses I'm going to get is the Muslim slave trade which Africans themselves participated in and if anyone is actually aware of history would know that the trade in African slaves only intensified only after Muslims were cut off from areas such as parts of Eastern Europe and other parts as well but this isn't to diminish what took place just to point out obvious facts that both sides (Afrocentrics & Eurocentrics) like to cherry pick and use conveniently when they see fit in an argument. I would add more but that's all I got for now, but when discussing the matter let's try to keep it half-way civil please. If I'm following your question/argument right I believe the reason some of them are anti-Islam is that they tend to not be Muslim. A similar proportion would likely be anti-Christian if not for the fact that most blacks in the Americas were raised Christian. Being Christian allows them to separate the religion from the mass enslavement of Africans by Christians while they can't do so with Islam as its foreign to them. Also the way some history books are written the trans Saharan and East African trades are intertwined with Islam while of course the same is not done for Christianity with the trans Atlantic trade cuz of course the books in the west where written by Christians or ppl brought up in Christendom who've follow conventions of historiography there.
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Post by mellomusings on May 14, 2018 19:13:38 GMT -5
So I wasn't exactly sure where to post this but since it's concerning religion (Islam to be specific) so I'll just rant from here. More often times than not do I notice most "Afrocentrics", or any other assortment of pro-black types when discussing African history rail against Islam which is understanble to an extent. They sing the praises of Mansa Musa yet he was noted as a pious and devout Muslim, cling to the scholarly legacy of Timbuktu despite it's overt Islamic influence, quote Malcom X all day, and go on about how the Moors ruled over Europe (Southern Europe to be extact i.e. Spain) even though it was obvious that they were overwhelmingly Muslim. Of course some of the predictable responses I'm going to get is the Muslim slave trade which Africans themselves participated in and if anyone is actually aware of history would know that the tradI African slaves only intensified only after Muslims were cut off from areas such as parts of Eastern Europe and other parts as well but this isn't to diminish what took place just to point out obvious facts that both sides (Afrocentrics & Eurocentrics) like to cherry pick and use conveniently when they see fit in an argument. I would add more but that's all I got for now, but when discussing the matter let's try to keep it half-way civil please. If I'm following your question/argument right I believe the reason some of them are anti-Islam is that they tend to not be Muslim. A similar proportion would likely be anti-Christian if not for the fact that most blacks in the Americas were raised Christian. Being Christian allows them to separate the religion from the mass enslavement of Africans by Christians while they can't do so with Islam as its foreign to them. Also the way some history books are written the trans Saharan and East African trades are intertwined with Islam while of course the same is not done for Christianity with the trans Atlantic trade cuz of course the books in the west where written by Christians or ppl brought up in Christendom who've follow conventions of historiography there. That's a good point, but I would add regardless if they view Islam as forgein or not Islam is tied to our history and there is a good chance they may have a Muslim ancestor or two. As African Muslims found themselves bound for the Americas with some leaving records, there could be possibly more records that haven't surfaced yet, I know of Ibn Umar Said and some others yet we're lead to believe that Europeans found us languishing in ignorance before they arrived.
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Post by nebsen on May 14, 2018 19:42:16 GMT -5
I also read this article when it came out, I found it some what disingenuous in that they state," I was glad to see that they embraced my countries deity Bast" . For one I doubt that her "country" being the Arabs/Semitic world would embrace or come up with such a deity as Bast which is very African & came from the consciousness of Black people. They pull a slight of hand with this comment, still not acknowledging that ancient Kemet is a African invention ;bottom line those in Egypt today are only " custodians "of a much, much, older civilization which is African, & they are not the inventors of this culture & civilization which includes its profound spiritual systems !
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Post by africurious on May 14, 2018 22:13:53 GMT -5
If I'm following your question/argument right I believe the reason some of them are anti-Islam is that they tend to not be Muslim. A similar proportion would likely be anti-Christian if not for the fact that most blacks in the Americas were raised Christian. Being Christian allows them to separate the religion from the mass enslavement of Africans by Christians while they can't do so with Islam as its foreign to them. Also the way some history books are written the trans Saharan and East African trades are intertwined with Islam while of course the same is not done for Christianity with the trans Atlantic trade cuz of course the books in the west where written by Christians or ppl brought up in Christendom who've follow conventions of historiography there. That's a good point, but I would add regardless if they view Islam as forgein or not Islam is tied to our history and there is a good chance they may have a Muslim ancestor or two. As African Muslims found themselves bound for the Americas with some leaving records, there could be possibly more records that haven't surfaced yet, I know of Ibn Umar Said and some others yet we're lead to believe that Europeans found us languishing in ignorance before they arrived. Yea a lot of them might not even know that many Muslims were taken as slaves including maybe some of their ancestors. But when I said foreign I meant more so that it’s not personal to them as Christianity is (they and their families practice it) so it’s easier to vilify the other religion that they don’t know. It’s inconsistent thinking and contradiction as you say but that’s human emotions.
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Post by nebsen on May 15, 2018 3:03:19 GMT -5
Dr.Rudolph Bilal Ware is a Islamic scholar who area of expertise is Islam & West Africa, I had posted some video's a bout a year ago but something happened to the sound which I will repost again here.
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Post by mellomusings on May 15, 2018 5:10:40 GMT -5
I also read this article when it came out, I found it some what disingenuous in that they state," I was glad to see that they embraced my countries deity Bast" . For one I doubt that her "country" being the Arabs/Semitic world would embrace or come up with such a deity as Bast which is very African & came from the consciousness of Black people. They pull a slight of hand with this comment, still not acknowledging that ancient Kemet is a African invention ;bottom line those in Egypt today are only " custodians "of a much, much, older civilization which is African, & they are not the inventors of this culture & civilization which includes its profound spiritual systems ! Do you have a link to that article? And also I haven't forgotten to view that video you sent me concerning race during the Obama presidency just haven't had the time to watch it. Anyway I'm not an expert on Ancient Egypt/Kemet (West Africa being my stomping grounds.) and is of little interest to me but it isn't hard to see the overlapping similarities between Ancient Egypt and a number of other cultures found above and below the Sahara and only god knows what the Sahara is hiding beneath her sand. And if these are the supposed "custodians", they're doing a bad job because if I'm not mistaken the Pyramids were almost lost twice once because it was almost completely swallowed by the desert and the second time being when they proposed to destroy them to build a highway system.
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