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Post by anansi on Jun 12, 2018 7:15:07 GMT -5
Because this was a part of my youth, it will necessarily smack of nostalgia.. But like I will explain, it may have been a bubble, but my bubble.
I really missed my Afro centered bubble of the 80ts to the 90ts in NYC, especially Brooklyn, yes we were hit with the crack epidemic and the raw violence that came with it, Spike Lee movies was hot,the music of
Digitable Planets.
De La Soul.
Eric B. & Rakim.
Arrested Development.
The Fugees.
A Tribe called Quest.
Public Enemy.
These are among the many, just before the West coast Gangsta Rap dominated the scene, initially I enjoyed it for it's edginess and the raw truth about police violence, but increasingly the tracks became Niggahs and Hoes.
30 plus yrs later , here we are , the crassness has gone full blast,the young and not so young, twerking..now gentrified, and before some one say it ,yes! I know such was always a part of our culture, but it was kept on the down low, the crudeness that is, but it never became the dominant theme in the culture.
Gone were the days of the Kente cloth, the happy to be nappy, dread locs as kool, dethroning the greasey perm in a bottle called Jerry Curl, that threatened to make a come back not seen since the 50ts.
The African leather map around our necks, at times adorned with cowrie shells , came in all kinds of creative styles,the Coptic crosses, the incense and oils ,this was as close as I imagined 60ts to be ,but which I wasn't a part of.
Black businesses catered to a certain Afro-centeredness, K Napps near Grand army plaza, was a treat to go and spend money , they gave such refined and respectable greetings and conversations , the décor was unquestionably Afro-chic , at one beef patty joint on Fulton ave, they had the great kings and Queens of Africa series that remind kids of African greatness and connectedness.
I felt we were moving in a certain direction,and then somewhere we got distracted, but how?? who were responsible, the gold chains showed up no more African maps made of leather, we stopped with calling our sisters, queens and turned them into collective bitches and hoes ,a deep distrust crept in between the sexes, we eyed each other with deepening suspicion, Black Hebrew Israelites hating on Africans, Africans and Caribbeans being judgemental of old line AAs, old line AAs returning the favor, again I can't place my finger on when exactly that came to be or why.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 12, 2018 11:30:34 GMT -5
Hmm, I remember the Afro-ferment of the early 1990s- that was when Bernal and Lefkowitz came
out and were going toe to toe, and the post-Reagan regime culture wars were in
full swing, and Leonard Jefferies and Farrakhan were on a tear, along with right-wingers
like DInesh Dzouza who was busy writing a book filled with bogus claims and distortions
called "The End of Racism" and so on. I remember being part of a Black Men's Study group
at local university at that time- which really did not get off the ground after 3-4 meetings
but still there was a lot of ferment,
But it was sadly also the crack era, and the Clinton era which saw a massive increase in
incarceration under the so-called "America's First Black President." This of course followed
the groundwork of the "War On Drugs" laid by the Reagan regime.
Conscious rap began to morph into the more vulgar, violent "thug" style-part of which
was the product of corporate America which saw good profits from "thug life" -
the image of the black community be dammned. Right wingers had a field day talking
but "black thugs" and played up violent "black gangsta" menance. Many blacks handed the right
wing "kultur warriors" an absolute propaganda gift that still keeps giving to this day.
Things were going downhill though since the 1980s and single motherhood expanded to arund
60% (later almost 70%) of black babies born put of wedlock, with all the attendant problems,
negativity and social breakdown. This was intensification of trends gojng on since the late
1970s as blacks became fully urbanized, and deepened int he 1980s, with even more fallout in
the 1990s. The old-line Black nationalists got some press, but fundamentally they were marginalized
as far as real influence. Yeah SOME people talked Afrocentrism and nationalism, but what
was the bottom line on the street- with drugs, broken families, gun violence etc etc..
Farrakhan got lots of press with the Million Man March, but did it really move the needle
overall in any significant way aside from some limited local successes?
again I can't place my finger on when exactly that came to be or why.
Some possible trends:
--Corporate manipulators seeing profits from "black thuggery" and associated imagery
-- Right wing distorters who seized on the negatives to drive "kultur war"
--Possible socio-politico manipulators pushing various agendas- right wing and left
--Breakdown of black family and community structures
Anyone have any DETAILED info on contribute on the above, besides a 3-4 line post bout how
the white man, or black man is to blame? FOr example:
What were the trends that you saw?
WHat was the feeling- hope? hopelessness?
WHat trends do the history books relate?
Were the kukture wars bad or good?
How did Million Man March help? Not help? No effect?
Did afrocentrism help? not help? influence?
What about the music? Good influences? Bad influences?
and so on..
Any additions of SUBSTANCE folks on some of these topics- (not 3 liners)?
Pick a topic - and open up the subject in a detailed way with some references and links..
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Post by anansi on Jun 12, 2018 12:11:35 GMT -5
@ Zarahan , I don't think conscious rap morphed into Gangsta, it was more like, conscious Rap got replaced, because crudeness plays well like a train wreak, it's like watching the rise of D J.Trump in a way, folks preferred intellectual porn over actual thinking.
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Post by kel on Jun 12, 2018 14:46:31 GMT -5
--"Corporate manipulators seeing profits from "black thuggery" and associated imagery"
"conscious Rap got replaced"
Jews
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jun 13, 2018 12:59:20 GMT -5
I really missed my Afro centered bubble of the 80ts to the 90ts in NYC, especially Brooklyn, yes we were hit with the crack epidemic and the raw violence that came with it, Spike Lee movies was hot,the music of Digitable Planets. De La Soul. Eric B. & Rakim. Arrested Development. The Fugees. A Tribe called Quest. Public Enemy. These are among the many, just before the West coast Gangsta Rap dominated the scene, initially I enjoyed it for it's edginess and the raw truth about police violence, but increasingly the tracks became Niggahs and Hoes. 30 plus yrs later , here we are , the crassness has gone full blast,the young and not so young, twerking..now gentrified, and before some one say it ,yes! I know such was always a part of our culture, but it was kept on the down low, the crudeness that is, but it never became the dominant theme in the culture. Gone were the days of the Kente cloth, the happy to be nappy, dread locs as kool, dethroning the greasey perm in a bottle called Jerry Curl, that threatened to make a come back not seen since the 50ts. The African leather map around our necks, at times adorned with cowrie shells , came in all kinds of creative styles,the Coptic crosses, the incense and oils ,this was as close as I imagined 60ts to be ,but which I wasn't a part of. Black businesses catered to a certain Afro-centeredness, K Napps near Grand army plaza, was a treat to go and spend money , they gave such refined and respectable greetings and conversations , the décor was unquestionably Afro-chic , at one beef patty joint on Fulton ave, they had the great kings and Queens of Africa series that remind kids of African greatness and connectedness. I felt we were moving in a certain direction,and then somewhere we got distracted, but how?? who were responsible, the gold chains showed up no more African maps made of leather, we stopped with calling our sisters, queens and turned them into collective bitches and hoes ,a deep distrust crept in between the sexes, we eyed each other with deepening suspicion, Black Hebrew Israelites hating on Africans, Africans and Caribbeans being judgemental of old line AAs, old line AAs returning the favor, again I can't place my finger on when exactly that came to be or why. Damn! I thought only OT's & OG's lamented. You used to use that Youth man image avatar. The wall in bed-stuy where it was painted now sports a pink poodle 'peticure' painting. We knew it was going nowhere since the early seventies. Civil rights won out over the Liberation Movement. And as a global people we lost our last prophet on 11 May 1981. Mass media makes sure no prophet will arise. There is no Mutual Black Network News on the radio since 1975. Realizing their mistake mass media even stopped reporting Existing While Black incidents this month after a 3 week rash of news. Conscious black people involved in the Struggle? Dead. Old. Ignored. We failed to make a popular music with the Message. We lost the youths. Innovator Jazz just wasn't cutting it. Conscious Roots Reggae combined the music with the message but Reggae moved on after a decade. I'm consoling myself to the fact of Black Obsoletion. After 320,000 years maybe African blacker's time on earth is up, just like the Tasmanian blacker no more walks this earth. Some of us don't know anything to do but continue the Struggle. Why? The Struggle is Continuous. If we stop, all gains will be reversed. Because there is no overt target colonialism JimCrow apartheid ColorBar we have a generation knows no collective struggle, only personal. Crass Materialism became their struggle. Campus youth are not clamouring to end slavery in Libya and Mauritania. Even the tearing families apart evokes no mass protest. Bread and circuses works! |
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Post by anansi on Jun 13, 2018 21:24:29 GMT -5
I really missed my Afro centered bubble of the 80ts to the 90ts in NYC, especially Brooklyn, yes we were hit with the crack epidemic and the raw violence that came with it, Spike Lee movies was hot,the music of Digitable Planets. De La Soul. Eric B. & Rakim. Arrested Development. The Fugees. A Tribe called Quest. Public Enemy. These are among the many, just before the West coast Gangsta Rap dominated the scene, initially I enjoyed it for it's edginess and the raw truth about police violence, but increasingly the tracks became Niggahs and Hoes. 30 plus yrs later , here we are , the crassness has gone full blast,the young and not so young, twerking..now gentrified, and before some one say it ,yes! I know such was always a part of our culture, but it was kept on the down low, the crudeness that is, but it never became the dominant theme in the culture. Gone were the days of the Kente cloth, the happy to be nappy, dread locs as kool, dethroning the greasey perm in a bottle called Jerry Curl, that threatened to make a come back not seen since the 50ts. The African leather map around our necks, at times adorned with cowrie shells , came in all kinds of creative styles,the Coptic crosses, the incense and oils ,this was as close as I imagined 60ts to be ,but which I wasn't a part of. Black businesses catered to a certain Afro-centeredness, K Napps near Grand army plaza, was a treat to go and spend money , they gave such refined and respectable greetings and conversations , the décor was unquestionably Afro-chic , at one beef patty joint on Fulton ave, they had the great kings and Queens of Africa series that remind kids of African greatness and connectedness. I felt we were moving in a certain direction,and then somewhere we got distracted, but how?? who were responsible, the gold chains showed up no more African maps made of leather, we stopped with calling our sisters, queens and turned them into collective bitches and hoes ,a deep distrust crept in between the sexes, we eyed each other with deepening suspicion, Black Hebrew Israelites hating on Africans, Africans and Caribbeans being judgemental of old line AAs, old line AAs returning the favor, again I can't place my finger on when exactly that came to be or why. Damn! I thought only OT's & OG's lamented. You used to use that Youth man image avatar. The wall in bed-stuy where it was painted now sports a pink poodle 'peticure' painting. We knew it was going nowhere since the early seventies. Civil rights won out over the Liberation Movement. And as a global people we lost our last prophet on 11 May 1981. Mass media makes sure no prophet will arise. There is no Mutual Black Network News on the radio since 1975. Realizing their mistake mass media even stopped reporting Existing While Black incidents this month after a 3 week rash of news. Conscious black people involved in the Struggle? Dead. Old. Ignored. We failed to make a popular music with the Message. We lost the youths. Innovator Jazz just wasn't cutting it. Conscious Roots Reggae combined the music with the message but Reggae moved on after a decade. I'm consoling myself to the fact of Black Obsoletion. After 320,000 years maybe African blacker's time on earth is up, just like the Tasmanian blacker no more walks this earth. Some of us don't know anything to do but continue the Struggle. Why? The Struggle is Continuous. If we stop, all gains will be reversed. Because there is no overt target colonialism JimCrow apartheid ColorBar we have a generation knows no collective struggle, only personal. Crass Materialism became their struggle. Campus youth are not clamouring to end slavery in Libya and Mauritania. Even the tearing families apart evokes no mass protest. Bread and circuses works! There is a small ray of hope , in this current political climate , at least some youngsters are beginning to get "woke" can they increase and flex tho?? The other side have powerful weapons of mass distraction. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jun 14, 2018 10:49:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry but 'woke' isn't 'conscious.' Liberation Struggle consciousness is as Nkrumah laid out in Consciousism. Conscious cannot be used to describe how a man wants his lady to be aware other men want to replace him as her lover. And don't get me wrong I love Redbone. I'd Rather Be With You is still a fave and I can't say which is #1 and #2. But yes ok there's always embers that can rekindle the fire. [Consistency from a non-African blacker. www.crixeo.com/mia/ ] Marcus say "Black people will never see/know themselves until their ass/back against the wall. " Sad but true. Now call me crazy. In 2000 years the wobble in Earth's orbit will cause the West African Monsoon to retreat ushering in the next Ice Age. Do you think Nordheimers will build more and better heaters and all year round winter wear? No. Their track record warns that they will conquer Southern lands and subjugate or exterminate Southern people, Voer Trekker style. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jun 14, 2018 13:33:50 GMT -5
Very nostalgic by Anansi, Zarahan and Sage
But keeping it in perspective
Took me while to figure out who the last prophet was. And I agree Bob transcended borders.
I agree we at risk of extermination. They can if they want to.
Does chattel slavery really exist in Libya and Mauritania?
Not only black families are being torn part Nordheimers are experiencing the same thing and they are more mentally fragile than us. Is the Opioid epidemic real? Karma for the crack epidemic? Is it intentional/international? We know there is a global plan for population control homosexuality being one of them?
The powerful weapons of mass distraction not only targets blackers. There is collateral damage ie friendly fire? In fact there is probably more damage to friend than foe
I never heard that the wobble will occur in less than 2000years. By that time we, or should I say they, will be off this planet. Hopefully they leave it to us.
But seriously look at this this at a global perspective. East Asians are now well respective and to some extent …feared by Nordheimmers. Why is that? Economic, Militarily and technological power. The East are beating them at their own game and system. Yes, the blacker are far behind. I dread the day when they are ready to take on Nigeria. Homeland Africans are so easy to manipulate. How do you think it will happen. Ghana vs Nigeria war?
As I told me nieces and nephews as they turn to young adults. Be on the right side. It is not so much about black and white. It is more rich and poor. Power brokers vs the ignorant. Don’t be the ignorant. Understand where the world is heading and try to be ahead of the game. Don’t be caught up in the Tsunami!!
We as adults and elders still need to nurture the young for the simple fact we need a few sane ones around.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 16, 2018 23:52:55 GMT -5
Damn! I thought only OT's & OG's lamented.
You used to use that Youth man image avatar.
The wall in bed-stuy where it was painted
now sports a pink poodle 'peticure' painting.
We knew it was going nowhere since
the early seventies. Civil rights
won out over the Liberation Movement.
And as a global people we lost our
last prophet on 11 May 1981.
Mass media makes sure no prophet
will arise. There is no Mutual
Black Network News on the radio
since 1975. Realizing their
mistake mass media even stopped
reporting Existing While Black
incidents this month after a 3
week rash of news.
Conscious black people involved in
the Struggle? Dead. Old. Ignored.
We failed to make a popular music
with the Message. We lost the youths.
Innovator Jazz just wasn't cutting it.
Conscious Roots Reggae combined the
music with the message but Reggae
moved on after a decade.
I'm consoling myself to the fact of
Black Obsoletion. After 320,000 years
maybe African blacker's time on earth
is up, just like the Tasmanian blacker
no more walks this earth.
Some of us don't know anything to do
but continue the Struggle. Why? The
Struggle is Continuous. If we stop,
all gains will be reversed.
Because there is no overt target
colonialism JimCrow apartheid
ColorBar
we have a generation knows no
collective struggle, only personal.
Crass Materialism became their struggle.
Campus youth are not clamouring to
end slavery in Libya and Mauritania.
Even the tearing families apart
evokes no mass protest.
Bread and circuses works! Yeah- what you say about the music strikes a chord. It was never saintly, but it was a diverse mix- with genuine entertainment, social political commentary, nationalism, capitalism, and the usual party -booty music cuts. IN other words a genuine mix Then it became excessively corporatized and the output volume started trending towards crass materialism, "gangstas", and hoes and biotches. Bob Marley had some prophetic moments indeed, and alas the same later trends assumed dominance- batties, loud dancehall, loud echoing that substituted for the tight riddims and crafted melodies, or even simpke but substantial roots music. Hell Marley could play an instrument and even that went by the wayside. Yes- bread and circuses- and materialism, always reliable. But what do you suggest as far as turnaround strategies? |
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Post by zarahan on Jun 17, 2018 0:15:41 GMT -5
Very nostalgic by Anansi, Zarahan and Sage
But keeping it in perspective
Took me while to figure out who the last prophet was. And I agree Bob transcended borders.
I agree we at risk of extermination. They can if they want to.
Does chattel slavery really exist in Libya and Mauritania?
Not only black families are being torn part Nordheimers are experiencing the same thing and they are more mentally fragile than us. Is the Opioid epidemic real? Karma for the crack epidemic? Is it intentional/international? We know there is a global plan for population control homosexuality being one of them?
The powerful weapons of mass distraction not only targets blackers. There is collateral damage ie friendly fire? In fact there is probably more damage to friend than foe
I never heard that the wobble will occur in less than 2000years. By that time we, or should I say they, will be off this planet. Hopefully they leave it to us.
But seriously look at this this at a global perspective. East Asians are now well respective and to some extent …feared by Nordheimmers. Why is that? Economic, Militarily and technological power. The East are beating them at their own game and system. Yes, the blacker are far behind. I dread the day when they are ready to take on Nigeria. Homeland Africans are so easy to manipulate. How do you think it will happen. Ghana vs Nigeria war?
As I told me nieces and nephews as they turn to young adults. Be on the right side. It is not so much about black and white. It is more rich and poor. Power brokers vs the ignorant. Don’t be the ignorant. Understand where the world is heading and try to be ahead of the game. Don’t be caught up in the Tsunami!!
We as adults and elders still need to nurture the young for the simple fact we need a few sane ones around. I agree the field has moved beyond the old black-white binaries and the well-worn models of the 1960s, 70s, 80s etc. Just the growing populations of Hispanics makes a lot of the old formulas obsolete, though certain things remain the same. The growth of African immigration to the US like the Nigerians and Ghanians, and their higher levels of education has also rendered may old verities shaky. For example the old talk about Black Americans going back to "guide" or "redeem" Africa has fallen by the wayside. And indeed- its more than black and white- rich vs poor is one of the key battleground issues. As far as the international front, the East Asian models are the most viable. I dont think we will be able to duplicate it fully- due to differing circumstances- but the same general relentless work outlook to improve is necessary. I think Africans can carve a different path under this umbrella. The unbridled, consumerist, resource-hogging materialism need not be duplicated. We don't need to pave over the continent in concrete, or kill off the fantastic natural heritage in the name of "development." There are intermediate models, "third-way" approaches that can be used to harvest resources and develop, without the strip-mining mentality of the Chinese (literally in some cases of African resource exploitation, extraction and mass environmental destruction). So there are "third way" approaches. That being said there is a massive waste of African resources and talent as corrupt elites line their pockets. Real progress has to be made on that issue. East Asia too is corrupt, but as many have pointed out, amid the corruption, things get done. The East Asians, CHina particularly have a role to play, especially in delivering quick infrastructure (with its problems), rather than being held hostage to Western paternalism and manipulation in some areas. They also are role models in the areas of education skill building etc, within limits. They have to be on tap though- not on top.
EUropean "third way" models should also be studied. The Nordic countries for example have used both basic raw material sales (iron ore, timber, oil) etc to develop, plus internal manufacturing. Some of the Balkan countries re making good use of state enterprises. Others like the Ireland in the 1990s ahve hitched their wagons to a big dog- the European Union and on balance have seen positive results (though with various dangers and problems). SO certain European "Third Way" models should be looked at, as to where they can apply, not only East Asian. Only relentless work and study will move the needle. Yes, the blacker are far behind. I dread the day when they are ready to take on Nigeria. Homeland Africans are so easy to manipulate. How do you think it will happen. Ghana vs Nigeria war? What do you mean Ghana -Nigeria War? War between those countries, or East Asian wars in Africa? and what's your take on --Corruption? --Third way approaches and models? East Asian and small/intermediate European --Waste of talent and time by today's youth
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jun 17, 2018 2:52:07 GMT -5
I will just add this then shutup.
Prophet Marcus Garvey's Back to
Africa message was never simplistic
as reduced above, especially with
the idea of American superiority.
From Niyabinghi to Kawaida. Either
one was part of it or else one
does not know and can't find out
on the 'net. There are few still
alive from the stage of Struggle
when Africa was not all nominally
independent. The Black youth refuses to
listen or learn from past generations.
This more than anything is why there's
no real collective progress for Blacks
while others build on what their fore
going generations left them.
All my life, Back-to-Africa entailed
Blacks returning to Africa in meals,
clothes, names, music, language and
other cultural accoutrements. Physical
repatriation hasn't been one of the goals since
the failed Black Starliner affair 80 yrs ago.
Another aspect of Back to Africa is
nobody has solutions for Africa's
issues except Afrikans themselves.
No outside models will work for us
any better than a Canadian engineered
air conditioner in Kinshasha.
There's too much to consider to reduce
to post volleys in a thread. I can't be
brief but solutions for this millennia
must come from those born after 1990.
You consider us old outdated unfit and
scoff at what we offer and offered. You
know so much better and have nothing but
negative criticism of our work and effort.
The world is yours now. Forge it. Inna
couple a decades we old heads will all be
ancestors. Who will wet their rug for us?
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Post by zarahan on Jun 17, 2018 23:13:28 GMT -5
No man, keep adding your observations and comments. They make sense.
Re- I would have to disagree in part. Garvey's message was simplistic in SOME
ways, mostly EXECUTION, though his OVERALL vision of independence, self-
determination, etc was a noble one that made some sense. I agree with you on
Part 2- the overall vision part.
Execution was a big part of the problem- and Garvey's management was oft poor,
as even his supporters acknowledge. Given the many enemies, he simply could
not afford that kind of sloppiness. Contrast with the careful calculations of Booker
T Washington, and his maneuvering. Furthermore, as WEB DUbois noted, Garvey too
often telegraphed his moves, giving his enemies time, knowledge and leisure to sandbag
and destroy. And his erratic way on some things didn't help. He also made a blunder
by publicly linking with the racist KKK elements- a big no-no in the black community.
The same blunder was made by Elijah Muhammed as Malcolm X pointed out in his critique.
All of the above are not merely hindsight but criticisms by folk in the Garvey's heyday, and
many of these problems were FIXABLE AT THE TIME, and could have been, but for Garvey's
bullheaded, stubborn, and too often erratic "Messiah" approach.
The above being said, it must also be noted that Garvey was dealt a very harsh opening
hand to work with, a much harsher hand than ML King 40 years later - coming off WW2,
and a Cold War that saw relentless SOviet use of the race issue to bash American democracy.
These were some of the things that forced white America to make concessions that a generation
earlier, it had fobbed off, ignored or suppressed.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 17, 2018 23:44:24 GMT -5
The Black youth refuses to
listen or learn from past generations.
This more than anything is why there's
no real collective progress for Blacks
while others build on what their fore
going generations left them.
I agree -a large segment of black youth (can;t say all) refuse to listen
and learn from past generations. They think thy know everything, and persist
in some behaviors that only aid the enemies and scorners of black people.
There is a lot of lip service floating, but some of the same folk nodding
to "FIght the Power" back in the day, were not doing any serious work on
self-building implementation. Others in the black establishment category
dismissed or poo-poohed self-strengthening in favor of hitching the wagon
to neo-liberalism, and gained Bill CLinton's mass incarceration policies,
even as they touted the putative "First Black President."
Fast forward and many still scornfully dismiss the conscious side of the house, or pay lip
service, but little substantial execution, or resources put down on the street, at the grassroots,
for implementation. They mostly still have eyes for neo-liberalism.
So folks, what is to be done for an alternative to the neo-liberal paradigm?
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Post by zarahan on Jun 18, 2018 0:01:40 GMT -5
Another aspect of Back to Africa is
nobody has solutions for Africa's
issues except Afrikans themselves.
No outside models will work for us
any better than a Canadian engineered
air conditioner in Kinshasha.
True enough there can be no wholesale or exact duplication. Various model
pieces have to be modified and customized. This is why it is important to
study a variety in detail then do the customization. This is precisely
what people like the Japanese and Chinese have done. Within 80 years
of European intrusion, the Japanese were building the best long-range
fighter planes, and carrier air fleets in the world. even after devastating
defeat, their little country is still a big dog economically on the world stage.
China is on the way to regaining its traditional strengths and lead in several areas.
If they keep playing the shrewd long-game, which the reckless Japanese refused
to do in the 1930s, it will overtake Western competitors. Both of them have made
careful study of Western approaches, and customized to use the pieces they want.
Africa can do likewise, and some outside model pieces will work better than others-
indigenous or foreign, depending on place, time and customization options chosen.
For example Soviet style central planning is unworkable in many places, but so
is IMF/World Bank neo-liberalism, or unfettered local "crony capitalism" (Mobutu,
Bokassa, and present successors etc..)
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jun 18, 2018 8:17:16 GMT -5
Nigerian vs East Asia war?? No!!!!
Pitting and manipulating Africans against each other (within and without) has proven been successfully over the years. Seku vs Lumumba, Coard vs Bishop, Garvey vs Du Bois. Biafra-Nigeria, South Sudan-Sudan. It never fails. When Nigeria poses a real threat ..”it would be taken care of”. Enemies will be “created” either from within or outside. And so many of us are gullible.
I am not that close to African politics but I understand corruption is rampant …via the media. But what I read in the press I always second guess. I know the images of Africa seen on TV is not real because the numbers don’t add up, but I am not sure how far Africa has come along. A whirlwind tour is needed. Lol! A firsthand look see. Lol!
To Sages point we have to do our own thing but as you said and I agree we do not need a scorched earth mentality. To be honest Europeans take care of their environment. They take care of their living space. A friend of mine sent me a video that disturbed her and she is not “conscious”. I was shocked to learn that some Africans countries take in or are paid to take the toxic waste of China and Europe. There are these young men going through piles of garbage looking for “Valuables” as 100’s of acres of waste are burnt. It was alarming then it hit me. I loaded up my truck once with radiators and old central HVAC to take to the metal scrap yard, after refurbishing . Dumping it on the ground and I was about to take off and a fight broke out. In Philadelphia young men do also fight over scraps looking for “valuables”. It was an eye opener for me. As I said it more the haves and the have nots(people who are caught up).
We will be fine! Once they don’t press that button. One of my main concern though is the targeting of black men and women to become homosexuals. I think that is a bigger danger. Plus I am seeing an uptick in the “push” in “biracial” couples. These advertisement are deliberate. I am not sure what the end game is. I have no problem with love across the color line. But if white power brokers are pushing it. Can it be good for black people? We know their end game is always to benefit their group and not humanity as a whole. That is how they rose to power.
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