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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 21:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Nov 24, 2018 6:10:34 GMT -5
I remember an episode from the original Star Trek where this African scientist and love interest of Lt Uhura put his brain ingram?? on the ship's computer that didn't end well, life imitate art ,but good to see Africans moving into R&D.
Hope it worked out well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 15:23:51 GMT -5
I remember an episode from the original Star Trek where this African scientist and love interest of Lt Uhura put his brain ingram?? on the ship's computer that didn't end well, life imitate art ,but good to see Africans moving into R&D. Hope it worked out well. You're referring to the "Ultimate Computer" episode of the original Star Trek where William Marshall played Dr.Richard Daystrom. He wasn't African and I don't recall any love interest between the Lt Uhura character and Daystrom. Daystrom put his brain engrams in the computer's program. You might find this definition of Endgrams useful: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engram_(neuropsychology). Mr. Agabi isn't the only African scientist/engineer doing cutting-edge work in a field, prof. Kwabena Boahen is one of the pioneers of neuromorphic engineering. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxLsUqGqIkI |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Nov 25, 2018 13:38:45 GMT -5
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Post by zarahan on Nov 26, 2018 21:00:27 GMT -5
Good links. Africa has its scientific innovators- it just does not have them in the volume Europe
and Asia does. It will take time and good modern education to remedy this situation. And you
are indeed correct that Africans as far as immigrants to the US, are more into hard science
than native-born blacks. THis debunks claims that some sort of magical "white blood" is
responsible for high level functioning in science and related fields. The Africans have much LESS
magical "white blood" than the US blacks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 12:03:47 GMT -5
Good links. Africa has its scientific innovators- it just does not have them in the volume Europe and Asia does. It will take time and good modern education to remedy this situation. And you are indeed correct that Africans as far as immigrants to the US, are more into hard science than native-born blacks. THis debunks claims that some sort of magical "white blood" is responsible for high level functioning in science and related fields. The Africans have much LESS magical "white blood" than the US blacks. "The Africans have much LESS magical "white blood" than the US blacks." Please state your source for this claim? A number of black Africans claim Jewish ancestry. The Igbos, the Lembas and Ethiopian jews come to mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLAZhsnmCbQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=hHJFIBUQkbAwww.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZBRd5Cj8Yen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Jewsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_of_Bilad_el-SudanLike you, I reject the pernicious myth of "white blood is responsible for high level functioning in science and related fields." because neither Thomas O. Mensah, the Ghanaian-American chemical engineer whose manufacturing process made fiber optics, the stuff that makes the internet available worldwide, a viable commercial alternative to copper wires. www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6OFRUCiwuI nor Bertin Nahum, the creator of the "Rosa" surgical robot claim Jewish ancestry. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI043F5voZowww.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzDq9Tb0uE |
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Post by africurious on Nov 29, 2018 22:04:18 GMT -5
Good links. Africa has its scientific innovators- it just does not have them in the volume Europe and Asia does. It will take time and good modern education to remedy this situation. And you are indeed correct that Africans as far as immigrants to the US, are more into hard science than native-born blacks. THis debunks claims that some sort of magical "white blood" is responsible for high level functioning in science and related fields. The Africans have much LESS magical "white blood" than the US blacks. "The Africans have much LESS magical "white blood" than the US blacks." Please state your source for this claim? A number of black Africans claim Jewish ancestry. The Igbos, the Lembas and Ethiopian jews come to mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLAZhsnmCbQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=hHJFIBUQkbAwww.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZBRd5Cj8Yen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Jewsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_of_Bilad_el-SudanLike you, I reject the pernicious myth of "white blood is responsible for high level functioning in science and related fields." because neither Thomas O. Mensah, the Ghanaian-American chemical engineer whose manufacturing process made fiber optics, the stuff that makes the internet available worldwide, a viable commercial alternative to copper wires. www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6OFRUCiwuI nor Bertin Nahum, the creator of the "Rosa" surgical robot claim Jewish ancestry. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI043F5voZowww.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzDq9Tb0uEFrom what I’ve seen your challenges to assumptions are usually valid but I can’t see why anyone would question zarahan’s claim when it’s so obvious. Also you seem to attach whiteness to Jewishness and view Judaism as more than just a religion (but an ethnicity/race also). Judaism is a religion that has been practiced by people of various ethnicities/races the last few 1,000 yrs. Associating Judaism with whiteness is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe based on Europeans familiarity with Ashkenazi Jews (who are converts living in Europe). Judaism is a religion and not a race/ethnicity/whatever (you can read shlomo sand’s “the invention of the Jewish people” for an excellent summary or read articles/genetic papers by Prof. Elhaik). AAs have been found to carry 20-25% of their paternal ancestry from Europeans. This has been out for years so you can search for the genetic studies and get em free at this point. This finding is no surprise—rape was frequent during slavery. The euro maternal ancestry of AAs is only a few % points I believe. No African group who considers themselves black has so far been found to have majority or large minority of euro/other non-African dna unless it’s from colonial period. The exceptions are Africans from the horn, Sudan and some central Afs, most of whom don’t claim Jewish ancestry. Also these non-African genetic material they carry have nothing to do with being Jewish. All this is old news to anyone who follows genetics of Africans. Also old news is that Ethiopian Jews have already been tested and found to carry the same genetic profile as other Ethiopians. Ethiopian jews are descended from converts, just as most Jewish groups worldwide are. The Lemba didn’t claim “Jewish” ancestry until euros came there. They have been tested and they do have paternal ancestry that is similar to what many Jews (ashkenazis, sephardis, mizrahi, etc) have but who knows what “original Jewish dna” is when we don’t have “original Jews” to test and just about every Jew is primarily descended from converts. In any case Lemba’s non-African paternal ancestry is at lower % (can’t remember #) than AAs. Igbos also didn’t claim Jewish ancestry until the whiteman told igbos they were inferior negroes and gave them Christianity which labels Hebrews the chosen people. The limited dna testing among igbos has shown they’re similar profile to their west Af neighbors. There’s a Yoruba prince who currently also claims the Yoruba are from Jews despite the Yoruba having 2 other older origin stories. This is a new claim. No more strange than other W Afs claiming to come from Jews or Egyptians, which is even more popular than the former (the whiteman taught them well to be ashamed of themselves and seek greatness outside of the “true negroes”). If you want to understand how these falsities spread you can read this article by an Igbo professor who studied his people’s history: www.google.com/amp/s/africaisrael.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/expolding-the-jewish-israel-hebrew-myth-of-igbo-origins-6/amp/ |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 0:38:29 GMT -5
From what I’ve seen your challenges to assumptions are usually valid but I can’t see why anyone would question zarahan’s claim when it’s so obvious. Also you seem to attach whiteness to Jewishness and view Judaism as more than just a religion (but an ethnicity/race also). Judaism is a religion that has been practiced by people of various ethnicities/races the last few 1,000 yrs. Associating Judaism with whiteness is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe based on Europeans familiarity with Ashkenazi Jews (who are converts living in Europe). Judaism is a religion and not a race/ethnicity/whatever (you can read shlomo sand’s “the invention of the Jewish people” for an excellent summary or read articles/genetic papers by Prof. Elhaik). AAs have been found to carry 20-25% of their paternal ancestry from Europeans. This has been out for years so you can search for the genetic studies and get em free at this point. This finding is no surprise—rape was frequent during slavery. The euro maternal ancestry of AAs is only a few % points I believe. No African group who considers themselves black has so far been found to have majority or large minority of euro/other non-African dna unless it’s from colonial period. The exceptions are Africans from the horn, Sudan and some central Afs, most of whom don’t claim Jewish ancestry. Also these non-African genetic material they carry have nothing to do with being Jewish. All this is old news to anyone who follows genetics of Africans. Also old news is that Ethiopian Jews have already been tested and found to carry the same genetic profile as other Ethiopians. Ethiopian jews are descended from converts, just as most Jewish groups worldwide are. The Lemba didn’t claim “Jewish” ancestry until euros came there. They have been tested and they do have paternal ancestry that is similar to what many Jews (ashkenazis, sephardis, mizrahi, etc) have but who knows what “original Jewish dna” is when we don’t have “original Jews” to test and just about every Jew is primarily descended from converts. In any case Lemba’s non-African paternal ancestry is at lower % (can’t remember #) than AAs. Igbos also didn’t claim Jewish ancestry until the whiteman told igbos they were inferior negroes and gave them Christianity which labels Hebrews the chosen people. The limited dna testing among igbos has shown they’re similar profile to their west Af neighbors. There’s a Yoruba prince who currently also claims the Yoruba are from Jews despite the Yoruba having 2 other older origin stories. This is a new claim. No more strange than other W Afs claiming to come from Jews or Egyptians, which is even more popular than the former (the whiteman taught them well to be ashamed of themselves and seek greatness outside of the “true negroes”). If you want to understand how these falsities spread you can read this article by an Igbo professor who studied his people’s history: www.google.com/amp/s/africaisrael.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/expolding-the-jewish-israel-hebrew-myth-of-igbo-origins-6/amp/Thank you for providing the link at the end of your comment. My question wasn't a challenge but a request for specific information on Zaharan's claim. You wrote: "...I can’t see why anyone would question zarahan’s claim when it’s so obvious. " Are. you. serious? I asked because our friend, djoser-xyyman, claimed that the people of Cape Verde and Madagascar were mixed long before the European age of exploration. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2766/abusir-strs-finally-africans?page=3. He seems to attribute that fact to some kind of land link between Africa and these other places while the accepted story is that sailors landed on these islands and created these mixed populations. I may have misread his claim, that's the reason I provided you with the link to his comment. No, I don't find Zaharan's claim so obvious that it can't be questioned as you do. Anyway, this is a side issue as far as this thread goes. I started it to show that black Africans are contributing to the development of modern science. In a few months, a quarterly magazine, Scientific African, will be published recording some of their work. You guys might want to subscribe to it. www.journals.elsevier.com/scientific-african. You might also find NEF, the owner of Scientific African, of some interest. twitter.com/AIMS_Next?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3ANextEinsteinFor&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgg2018.nef.org%2Fspeakers%2Fagnes-kalibata%2F |
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Post by africurious on Dec 1, 2018 20:34:44 GMT -5
[\quote][\b]Thank you for providing the link at the end of your comment. My question wasn't a challenge but a request for specific information on Zaharan's claim. You wrote: "...I can’t see why anyone would question zarahan’s claim when it’s so obvious. " Are. you. serious? I asked because our friend, djoser-xyyman, claimed that the people of Cape Verde and Madagascar were mixed long before the European age of exploration. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2766/abusir-strs-finally-africans?page=3.[/b][/quote]Ohhh ok gotcha. I don’t trust anything xyman says unless I or someone more reputable verifies/backs it first. He purposely posts misleading info and/or misleading interpretations of data/info, uses logical fallacies galore, and he often doesn’t fully understand what he discusses. This is just being frank, no ad hominem intended. Most other regular posters here don’t do that. I suggest ignoring his rants. I’ll look into some of the links you provided. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 21:43:52 GMT -5
"I don’t trust anything xyman says unless I or someone more reputable verifies/backs it first. He purposely posts misleading info and/or misleading interpretations of data/info, uses logical fallacies galore, and he often doesn’t fully understand what he discusses. This is just being frank, no ad hominem intended. Most other regular posters here don’t do that. I suggest ignoring his rants." Yet, I've not come across any posts from you challenging him, why is that? I did try to set him straight on the "gay" origin of computer science, by pointing out to him that the theoretical work on computers was done by Alan Turing a very gay mathematician. "According to the Church–Turing thesis, Turing machines and the lambda calculus are capable of computing anything that is computable. John von Neumann acknowledged that the central concept of the modern computer was due to Turing's paper.[48] To this day, Turing machines are a central object of study in theory of computation." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#University_and_work_on_computabilityI wasn't relying on xyman as an authority on the subject, I used his writing to show that some African populations are as mixed as African Americans, if not more so. "I’ll look into some of the links you provided." Great. |
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Post by africurious on Dec 3, 2018 12:36:24 GMT -5
^I have challenged him several times but tend not to cuz it’s futile. You can’t argue/have a meaningful discussion when the other party is dishonest and is pushing an agenda. He and others I’ve seen act similarly already know they can’t fool people who understand the subject. They’re trying to reach the ones who don’t really want to have deep understanding of the past but just wanna hear about who was black or all the great things that can be attributed to black ppl. They want feel-good doctrine instead of understanding. Those kind of ppl won’t be swayed by reason.
I didn’t read xyman’s post you mentioned so Idk what he was talking about. Yes some Africans pops are mixed with non-Africans even more than AAs.
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