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Post by anansi on Dec 10, 2018 11:54:20 GMT -5
Zarahan asked:[ Did you say Asar disagreed with Obenga? What was his thinking on those lines? ] No not really or directly but, he challenged Diop on the question of Kmt meaning black community, and he disagreed with Ehret entirely, but others disagreed with Asar on those points, so nothing seemed settled to non linguist.
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Post by asante on Dec 11, 2018 20:43:27 GMT -5
These are all good points but how do you stop this mix and match? I don't think you can at certain levels. SOme of the creolization is inevitable, and unstoppable. The only question that really remains is what the framework for the creole mixes are gonna take, and at what levels the lines will be drawn or not. The thing is the consciousness of the issues that I've noted have not been pushed to forefront by black media. Imagine if the issue of cultural appropriation was put out there by a huge radio show host like Ricky Smiley in the morning in the same way the Charlemagne the God hints on the Breakfast club. That would be a huge influence. If the youth can be taught that parlaying our culture out to non blacks is the detriment of the race then it will at least slow down the take over, because they wouldn't be outright handing it over to them thinking that they are their friends. Truth be told the creolizations is really the addition of white/bleach into the batch. Hispanics, namely PR's and Mexicans (to a lesser extent) have been in the game making headlines since the 90's. I believe that their addition will not harm the genre or culture, because they (namely PR's) themselves have acknowledge their Africanity to an extent. Big Pun for example was a PR who understood the culture, and respected the craft as seen below. I would like to say that it's not the inclusion of whites into the culture that I detest, it is the common action on their behalves however to undermine the culture once they get their foot in. They wish to dismantle the old cultural guards and establish new rule as soon as they get in the door, and that is why they are the problem.
Absolutely not! The culture of the US is too racially polarized for that to ever be the case. Brazil throughout the 20th century played the "we don't see race" game (with rampant racism in reality of course) while importing white Europeans to whiten up the general population. The self hating blacks hate that lie up, and spread the seeds to non blacks who after two generations denied their black ancestry (while having beady hair). In the end Brazil the nation that received the most blacks from the transatlantic slave trade has an extreme minority of blacks, and a majority "mixed" race populations (which is a very recent psychological step up for those blacks from wanting to be seen as wholly white). I don't think that a mixture is inevitable here in America. Case and point you don't see that creole culture in any part of the south other than West Louisiana and East Texas where the French ruled. That mixture of races was seen as an abomination to the other regions of both states and the general US South, and that's why it didn't catch on and spread heavily to New Orleans or any of the near by major cities. Do you think that 45 million people cannot create our own nation? I imagine that FBI's cointelpro proclamation to "prevent the rise of a black messiah" is to prevent that fear from happening. In truth we don't need the full 45 million. Hell if we can get 5 million of that population on code then major things will happen. Yes! I agree. The local level of politics when done correctly is another avenue that can generate limited success. It will simply take a collective of like minded individuals to move to an area and be on code. With the right level of resources and influence community organization and participation is quite possible. This is something that Dr. John Henrick Clarke proposed which included all tropical populations across the globe. It is definitely something that must be done.
That's because of this societies compounding bad influences (music and media) that the youth only sees as fun until they are no longer youth. Some youth are just from complete destitution (imagine if your only support in life came from a crackhead single mother...). Once they get mentally mobile to get paper through whatever means (often times the streets) they typically see people telling them to stop doing that which alleviated their Hell to an extent as an enemy. The initial deprivation in life (a symptoms of the white man's system) creates in some cases moral monsters that may alleviate once they finally get the bag.
Poverty, deprivation, and bastardization are major problems for our people that shape our minds. When you're in this state, any avenue to get out of it seems to them as though it was handed to them from God himself. Symptoms of the white man's disease.
Minus the sickening shea butter - white liberal in black face crowd what other forums are there? Can you give a list? I'll check them out if I haven't heard of it.
The thing is the crowd that Mike represents thanks to the Hidden Colors series this decade is not the "fringe", but is now the majority of conscious folks. If you look at the post from popular "pro black" (some are fake as well) pages on fb or ig when they make proclamations of blacks being the founders and originators of World civilization they get tremendous support. It's funny, because listening to the people (coons and people who pretend to be black) over on Egyptsearch for over a decade before the Hidden Colors series was put out, I was really under the impression that no one (namely our people) believed that Olmec-African theory. The "Olmec African theory" is not only widely believed, but has been developed and contextualized into a cultural understanding. I had to understand that I was late to the party thanks to my initial hesitant that came from watching the coons gorilla tactics over on Egyptsearch against Dr. Cylde Winters.
We're dealing with Kemet and Afrocentrism at the heart enough said. Nothing is innocent. He places Niger-Congo speakers in Western Africa (12,000 BC) prior to most West Africa being inhabitable..
That false narrative takes our people out of Nile Valley Civilization. He's only doing it with a white liberal face, and some "black people" online are promoting that we follow his words in academia. No one
I'm going to be real this seems like something that a silly white person would say. It's a game that goes like this; White Devil - "Well in our white liberal circle we have "recognized" your "humanity" that "Racist" whites have denied you and lied about for so long by discarding outright white supremacy, so that means that you must agree with our narrative that is also bullsh*t or we'll pull the rug from under you". The facts of the matter is that Africans established civilizations in every corner of the Earth. The first Americans going back over 100,000 years ago were Africoid and from a tropical source. Various types of Africans voyaged to the Americas, and when you think about it all Africans (like the Grimadli/Khoi Khoi Hunter gatherers of early Europe) were not "agricultural", and some did bring hunter gatherer cultures to other continents when they first left. That is not "black supremacy", but rather the unrefuted argument of Ivan Van Sertima, CA Diop and host of other Africans scholars. They were hunter and gatherer for the most part, the first of them the Native Americans came from a "tropical" Africoid population source
I'm not sure why this is relevant.. What serious scholar have you seen make these claims? You put too much of their silly ass games in your mind. Anthropology, archaeology, culture and linguistics consistently supports one narrative, and that is an African origin of Kemet. As far as "Eurasian genes" are concerned; Dr Spencer Wells, Harvard evolutionary geneticist: "There is more genetic diversity in any single African village than in the whole world outside Africa."
EURASIAN DNA
BLACK African with "EURASIAN DNA"
When it comes to Africans do you understand how f*cking that stupid that argument is? Y'all wait for them to admit that they're playing games, and given what we know about this topic (the history) that is utterly retarded!
You mean like the boy here in the opening post on the Abusir study thread did? He's been posting since the last decade. That is disgraceful treachery to the cause. He disregarded EVVVVERYTHING other than DNA to disregard black Kemet. The same one who "HANGS" over on the psuedo science forums chumming it up with vile white supremacist compromising every bit of his "Afrocentricity" for a pat on the head. The disappointment comes in the fact that he actually thought that BS study from 2017 would stand...Knowing everything from the findings of the other disciplines and he acted like he didn't know that the study would be refuted eventually. I haven't heard him say ish about the fact that Keita refuted that, and validated the DNAtribe analysis.
No the podcast folks have there own team of moderators that keeps the flow of the conservation smooth by eliminating the trolls. It's not complicated at all..
You have to understand the shear dept of ignorance that many of our people were/are in. Those memes may be the only thing that makes them think in that direction for years. It's baby steps for black people who don't lurk on pro black Egyptology forums, and don't know anything about their history besides roots and a vague false image of Cleopatra. Some people react to the information by joining special groups to learn more, and from those groups they are often put onto books or lectures that go indebt on many of these subjects.
Well when a forced system bastardizes, economically deprives and criminalizes an entire population within a hostile macrocosm then you're not going to be creating Einsteins on every block. Those youngstas are in a trap from birth. The bastardization creates youngsters WHO'VE NEVER BEEN CHECKED BY A MAN ON A REGULAR BASIS, and so their minds will naturally go awall when forced to contend with the police enforced rules of a society with opposite values. They were dusty coming up in school, because their single mother was broke and many were made fun of horribly. They get a pair of Jordans and a fit, and the social anxiety stops. They now know that in order to not have this social anxiety (just one of many examples in this community) they have to be fresh on a regular basis. Getting money fast and easy (a young bastardized mind) then becomes a glorified competition between the brokest day and night. They don't have time in most cases to sit on the laptop scrolling through old Egyptsearch threads for counter information against a lie that they don't even know exist yet. Mentally their entire value is placed on material wealth not knowledge of self. I hope that you recognize that the white Devil is the setting for this Hell that many of our people are in. Clishe' be damned truth is truth!
He's from Louisville as well.
Self discipline or forced deprivation.
Support and be active in the few pro black platforms that exist to strengthen them, and eventually unify to build a strong one for us by us.
Bruised ego's from dumb ass white folk will make Negroes reassess themselves.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 11, 2018 21:04:55 GMT -5
Listening to Miles Runs the Voodoo Down whilst taking in Asante's and the Don's rap these last coupla posts💡
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Post by zarahan on Dec 11, 2018 23:52:59 GMT -5
^^Why Miles Runs the Voodoo down? Isn't that an example of "fusion" approaches? Part of the cultural mix and match spoken of above? Is this a good or bad thing? But some questions to throw out to y'all three then: 1- What do you see as the future of hip hop in terms of the "next wave" or dominant style? (if any) 2- What can hiphop do about combating negative stereotyping of men given a generation of celebrating some "thugging" genres and styles in music? A style that many church, or muslim leaders, or old school nationalists have criticized or have reservations about? Or does hip hop have no responsibility at all? 3- Assuming the fading or departure of the Old school nationalists of the 70s/80s generation from the scene, what or who will replace them? Or should they even be replaced, rather than simply fade away?
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Post by anansi on Dec 12, 2018 3:47:39 GMT -5
Oh in the realm of comedy, Kevin Hart, taking that potential L into a W, bowing out of his personal dream to host the Academy rather than continuously grovelling for a joke he made 10yrs ago deemed anti-gay that he apologized for yrs ago, now they are the ones running around like chickens with their heads cut off because they can't get anyone so far to headline the show, Don Lemon is still trying to get him to bend the knee tho.
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Post by anansi on Dec 12, 2018 4:52:33 GMT -5
Zarahan said[ What can hiphop do about combating negative stereotyping of men given a generation of celebrating some "thugging" genres and styles in music? A style that many church, or muslim leaders, or old school nationalists have criticized or have reservations about? Or does hip hop have no responsibility at all? ]
Well that all depends on the kind of support given to conscious hip hop, see many think keeping it "real" is being thugged out and someone said that the greatest consumers of thug music is in suburbia, so the question should be, just who is this genre being made for,BET has passed on what it used to be although many of the execs are black,but ultimately the demand have to come from the streets.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 12, 2018 11:32:46 GMT -5
Suburban listeners aren't killing each other like urban listeners are. What music are urban radio playing? What values do their show hosts/DJs project? Let's face it some hiphop may be woke but it is not conscious. On another note, there's no Black nationalism. The fundamentals of nationalism is a landed nation. The Republic of New Africa didn't make it. Blacks may be an ethnic group but are no internal nation. No holidays, no anthem, no economy, no constitution, etc. How many even know the Tri-colors or fly them? Norman Lear sitcoms and Blaxploitation films essentially nullified the people's movement (The Black Arts Movement) and lead to the role model status of the most despicable piece of s h i t on earth, the pimp, followed by other low life models. The starving masses ate it up and strived to imitate that art to life. The changing face of nationalism is institutionalism. www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/haki-madhubuti-third-world-press-founder-poet-activist/Content?oid%3D56683881I will fly From Plan to Planetand The Destruction of Black Civilization ch15to black minorities everywhere. Don't know why Madhubuti hasn't issued a Plan2Planet:Institutions type book for this the 21st century. After decades experience in institutionalism and the changes in externals (African garb to altogether western dress, kiSwahili terms for English, et al) an update seems crucial. My favorite black nation: Barbados. Bajans, not tourist, own the island. Self-hating gang(tribal war) banging? Unheard of. Literacy? 99.7 % read and write. True, more consciousness in Jamaica (the source of institutional Black American nationalism) but self-hate is so evident there. Zarahan said[ What can hiphop do about combating negative stereotyping of men given a generation of celebrating some "thugging" genres and styles in music? A style that many church, or muslim leaders, or old school nationalists have criticized or have reservations about? Or does hip hop have no responsibility at all? ] Well that all depends on the kind of support given to conscious hip hop, see many think keeping it "real" is being thugged out and someone said that the greatest consumers of thug music is in suburbia, so the question should be, just who is this genre being made for,BET has passed on what it used to be although many of the execs are black,but ultimately the demand have to come from the streets.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 12, 2018 11:54:51 GMT -5
Because you guys were running the s h i t down. Plus, for me, the modes fit the moods. Were you alive in that era? I've paid, and still paying, dues in the Struggle. No monolithic thought traps for me. Hendrix, Sly, Funkadelic, made even Motown stand up, take notice, and imitate. Miles was an innovator with impeccable black credentials. Progressive doesn't abide isolationist segregation. All ethnies have a degree of separation. But actual segregation if sustained leads to stagnation. Look at Techno/Electronica/StudioBoards infusions in hip-hop. ^^Why Miles Runs the Voodoo down? Isn't that an example of "fusion" approaches? Part of the cultural mix and match spoken of above? Is this a good or bad thing? But some questions to throw out to y'all three then: 1- What do you see as the future of hip hop in terms of the "next wave" or dominant style? (if any) 2- What can hiphop do about combating negative stereotyping of men given a generation of celebrating some "thugging" genres and styles in music? A style that many church, or muslim leaders, or old school nationalists have criticized or have reservations about? Or does hip hop have no responsibility at all? 3- Assuming the fading or departure of the Old school nationalists of the 70s/80s generation from the scene, what or who will replace them? Or should they even be replaced, rather than simply fade away?
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Post by asante on Dec 12, 2018 14:03:51 GMT -5
Oh in the realm of comedy, Kevin Hart, taking that potential L into a W, bowing out of his personal dream to host the Academy rather than continuously grovelling for a joke he made 10yrs ago deemed anti-gay that he apologized for yrs ago, now they are the ones running around like chickens with their heads cut off because they can't get anyone so far to headline the show, Don Lemon is still trying to get him to bend the knee tho.
There have been so many good discussions on various podcast about this situation. This from what one prominent voice states is a "racial slight of hand" tactic. The whites who have been shamed for their racism since the 1960's are trying to equate the level of bigotry experienced by Afro-Americans throughout American history at the hands of the white in charge (hence systemic) to the levels of disenfranchisement that women (feminist), gays, etc etc, went through. The fact of the matter is that that is a false equivalency. A gay person can hide their sexual affiliation even into death (I've heard stories of married men outted at their funerals), this melanin is a badge that we have to wear 24/7.
The whites are trying to essentially say that the bigotry that some blacks have towards homosexuals is the same bigotry that whites inflict on us. While homophobia was rampant throughout the black community it does have context to the situation! Buck breaking during enslavement along with a host of other social factors (the forced white society) have contributed to our negative views on homosexuality. Now to flip the switch the white media is promoting what I call toxic homosexuality. Forcing scenarios that induce homosexual behavior (namely among children of often times confused single mothers who often times encourage that agenda), rather than those who believe that they are born gay to simply be free from judgement.
Those Don Lemon type of homosexuals (dates white men and thinks white but is "our voice" according to the media) are becoming issues, and need to be called out wholesale! He was not raised in a black setting as evident by his vitriolic statements about "pull your pants up" when it comes to our people being stereotyped. Ironically Don Lemen was outted as chasing those types of "thug" DownLow black dudes that he was criticizing. That is fronting shit that white women tend to do. Meaning they like one night stands with "thugs" in private, but front in public. The media is trying to make him the "rebellious" voice for us against white supremacy.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 13, 2018 1:17:29 GMT -5
Anansi says: Well that all depends on the kind of support given to conscious hip hop, see many think keeping it "real" is being thugged out and someone said that the greatest consumers of thug music is in suburbia, so the question should be, just who is this genre being made for,BET has passed on what it used to be although many of the execs are black,but ultimately the demand have to come from the streets.
Good point- some blame must be shared by corporate establishments who pushed the "thug" thing because it was profitable, both among blacks and whites, and of course no one disputes that rap (incuding the variations) is a black genre. SOme of the music represents authentic voices of the street, but as Tukler indicates about the context- where is the voice of the positive in terms of productive nation building, or a productive individual lifestyle- when the zone is swamped by blunts, biatches, beefs, and barking gats? Are they keepin it "real" or are they ultimately following the sales and materialist formulas dictated by corporate profiteers?
al-Takuri says: Suburban listeners aren't killing each other like urban listeners are.
What music are urban radio playing? What values do their show hosts/DJs project? Let's face it some hiphop may be woke but it is not conscious.
Good points. HOw do you react to the criticism that conscious hiphop is outmoded and obsolete and does not connect with today's urban youth? Thus it cannot address today's challenges.. DOn't endorse the argument, just wondering about the thoughts of all..
On another note, there's no Black nationalism. The fundamentals of nationalism is a landed nation. The Republic of New Africa didn't make it. Blacks may be an ethnic group but are no internal nation. No holidays, no anthem, no economy, no constitution, etc. How many even know the Tri-colors or fly them?
But couldn't there be a "cultural nation" in place, without any of the official trappings of a nation- flag, land, etc etc.. which were always a long shot to begin with.
Norman Lear sitcoms and Blaxploitation films essentially nullified the people's movement (The Black Arts Movement) and lead to the role model status of the most despicable piece of s h i t on earth, the pimp, followed by other low life models. The starving masses ate it up and strived to imitate that art to life.
I would have to agree that the mass media, and its exploitation of various memes and racial stereotypes is part of the problem.
The changing face of nationalism is institutionalism.
How do you mean? Sort of a co-optation thing?
My favorite black nation: Barbados. Bajans, not tourist, own the island. Self-hating gang(tribal war) banging? Unheard of. Literacy? 99.7 % read and write. True, more consciousness in Jamaica (the source of institutional Black American nationalism) but self-hate is so evident there.
Can you expand more on Jamaica as a source of institutional Black American nationalism)? The standard critique of Barbados is that its bourgeois and accommodation compared to more "conscious" and "revolutionary" Jamaica. Your island choice is interesting- against the standard grain.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 13, 2018 11:51:29 GMT -5
WARNING: this post will take 20 minutes to read. The lyrics are every lick a bit of my post. The lyrics are essential to understanding where I'm coming from. Songs for national holidays and patriotism.
Don Cardova et al
Can snipe now, will flesh out later, no promise.
Without generation spanning intact ideologies and institutions there are no nations.
Holy Marcus gave western diasporans the Tri-colors.
The most primitive and ragtag nations have a standard/ensign/flag. It's a well understood symbol of national identity and pride.
The USA national anthem teaches patriotism militancy identity and instills these principles from early childhood on. Ask Kap and Trump.
No, ask Narmer and predecessors why they had standards/ensigns/flags to rally round.
Interpret the symbolisms to ones own perspective. Not necessary to take all literally.
Without a landed nation, at least one people survived 1800 years. How'd they do it? • two national symbols emblems • desire for land • holy days • "anthems" • a set moral ethic guidelines • internal social welfare • internal reading language across the diaspora
The wheel's already invented so no one can invent it. They can co-opt it, make purposeful varieties of it. Successful updated copying from grindstones to gears. Same with Liberation Struggle (and I ain't talking no wild eyes revolution rhetoric).
My generation is at the elder advisor stage. Front and center stage, thus the future, stands the 35 & younger generation set. They have the ball to press downcourt advantage as we did when that age.
Who do they listen to? The two living generations above them? The media and mores of the majority culture? Something else? Nothing else?
Individual ego only? Wouldn't it be nice if we could just be people. But we can't, because they invented us and census us as blacks (opposites to their whites). Everybody else censused has a geography or language identity Check the script writer's words from the character Mr Nansi's lips in American Gods thread.
Ever since, there's been struggle.
[May've been hidden, no, denied by material gratification.] A luta continua The struggle continues The struggle is continuous The struggle is ongoing in a never ending game that must be played.
Ain't nobody tryin hear that, see! Not until the words of Garvey "Black people never know themselves til they back against the wall" O' generation be warned by dread prophecy.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 13, 2018 13:56:53 GMT -5
Hey
Why are my vid links turned to ads?
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Post by zarahan on Dec 13, 2018 22:59:57 GMT -5
Good food for thought in all those links. My only initial thought is that things have to be done culturally, since a landed solution is an extreme long shot. Such a cultural format, would like Miles, I believe, tend to be a "fusion" type format. That's how things for the most part began, with a fusion of African ethnic groups and cultures, forged in the crucible of slavery. All the different "tribes" were in the same boat so to speak, and had the same common enemy. Fusion has been the thing for most black folk since the modern era began in the Western Hemisphere. Thus I think any who invoke a pristine original state or "pure" return to Africa are misguided. No such original state existed, or exists to return to. For better or worse, the African diaspora's "national" future has to be beaten out, or forged right here in the Atlantic world- from Barbados to Birmingham. That Gil Scott Heron video captures an earlier strand well- the red, black and green is a fusion of elements for struggle- powerful stuff in an earlier era which saw the winds of African decolonization, and the civil rights black power movement exploding at the same time in the US. That heady era is past now. Likewise the Garvey back to Africa movement faded. The living god-king Haile Selassie is long dead, and these days the people grabbing up the good farm land in Ethiopia are Asians. An assortment of dictators and kleptocrats mar much of the landscape of contemporary Africa, even as the Chinese strip its resources. The days of the heady dreams, the days of seeming unlimited possibility and hope, are gone. www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2013/feb/25/indian-land-grabs-ethiopiaAfrica of course can provide important inspiration, but the central forge, the crucible for the Diaspora is here, and part of that crucible also involves others in the Atlantic world, and their cultural strands. Thus jazz springs from a blend of of different roots- African, European and Creole. Yes that means contradiction and diversity, gain and loss, love and hate- but that's what it is. You can have all that and still have something distinct, and something that is not slavishly imitative. Even hip hop itself, which is now an international phenomenon with many flavors worldwide, is a fusion format- from its constant "sampling," to its constant name-checking or referencing contemporary European-influenced and Latin/Black/Creole pop culture. Fusion does not necessarily mean loss of distinctiveness, to the contrary- you can do fusion but be distinct at the same time, at different levels. It could be argued that the original fusions of hip hop, overall, in general, and the variants a less negative theme, before the dominance of negative "thuggin," represents the true promise of that fusion. But that's just some scattered thoughts. Will have to look over those video links for insight.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 14, 2018 1:48:33 GMT -5
Once presented with the fact there is a diasporan flag of Garvey's invention ageism disconnect from it? www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/us-afro.htmlLink shows rejection of the Tri-colors and yet separate flags for separate blacks (mostly imitation white folks flags in true Black Anglo-Saxon style). In Gil's lyrics I imaginatively hear Garvey inventing the Tri-colors, its meaning, after traveling and observing the world wide condition of blacks, what the Tri-colors's meant to instill and inspire. You precisely sum the problem of the avg black, rootless trees, as far as Liberation Struggle goes. The total rejection of continuity, interpretation and adaptation of heritage. Even after told to apply them to 50 year old LS songs. BLM shows this generation uses age discriminaion in splintering the race. No people progresses except building on inheritance from previous generations. Starting at Square One every generation insures there will be no progress. Proof is the current diasporan condition; gross materialism, self-hate, and self-genocide. Go ahead reinvent the wheel for your people. A people without flag anthem holidays folk songs etc? Understand me now. There are many 'ethnies' descended from the survivors of the Middle Passage. They are not one people though of same origins, Atlantic facing Africa and Mozambique Channel lands Africa. But their separate 'ethnies' positive strivings uplift the colour by the whole. There is a small group of diasporans that have identified as Afrikan. These people, a few of their children and grandchildren build on tradition within reason. They are an internal nation. They circulate capital and assets internally before exporting it. Since Johnson (was pressured to) dissolve Negro Digest / Black World the Struggle lost transparency year by decade. USA overwhelming black majority is Black Anglo-Saxon by ethnicity. Civil Rights is their concern. Civil Rights is only one aspect of Liberation Struggle. A nationalism event in Africa, an ethny nationalizes itself qz.com/africa/1492745/cameroon-anglophone-separtists-create-cryptocurrency-ambacoin/ This is reality at work not theory on paper. Nationalism has never been a viable diasporan umbrella solution. Not just because no land but because diasporans are multi-ethnic not a single people. OK this old fool's done. You young bucks carry on, I'll be listening. Don Cardova, your database is certainly a very useful liberation struggle tool. Think you can whip up a hardcopy version via Lulu or the like? Put a few copies out on comission with local vendors. Diasporans who support vendors need your up to date work alongside all that old rehashed 70's era stuff.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 14, 2018 19:35:31 GMT -5
Hmm never thought of doing hard copy on things, I figure folk would just download or print out what they need. But something to think about.
What you say is right on many counts. But their separate 'ethnies' positive strivings uplift the colour by the whole.
As a principle of the future this seems spot on- and does not require adherence to any particular party, church or leader. You can be 5 different religions or political affiliations, but if there is "tactical" unity around a POSITIVE common effort, project, etc- local, regional, youth-based, sport, education, cultural, whatever, then it is a way forward without bogged down with party affiliation, and the rest of the baggage, though politics as part of the mix, would have to be addressed case by case.
IN other words I am wondering if "project based" pragmatism uplift unity isn't the way to go, rather than - "did you vote for the approved or anointed political party or leaders- if not then you are not down with the peeps" approaches. Perhaps "project based Pan-africanism" might be a future key, given the end of the decolonization and civil rights eras, and the weary years of negative national development in so many African places. Why for example couldn't there be more links with the Brazilian diaspora on the part of African-Americans, using a project-based format to overcome language and cultural barriers? It could take many forms such as evangelicalism fostering more links with Black America- just as it has in some cases with Africa, with the evangelical format itself being a project-based (faith format) unity approach- that incorporates social justice, practical material charity and assistance, and positive individual works and attitudes - i.e. "do unto others" and so on. This is just one example. There are other models to be sure that might build these links..
A nationalism event in Africa, an ethny nationalizes itself qz.com/africa/1492745/cameroon-anglophone-separtists-create-cryptocurrency-ambacoin/ This is reality at work not theory on paper.
^^Hmm.. LOoks like they are carving out more independent spaces. If purely cultural they might be tolerated, but I wonder if their experimentation with a local, alternative currency will bring suppression by a central regime or establishment, which of course might look askance on the separatist sentiment.
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