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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 20, 2019 4:01:52 GMT -5
Just to be clear I respect the officiants and worshippers of the African south Atlantic spiritualities. Some of them dedicated my personal gifts of rum & cigars to their Opener.
'Gods' are powerless to travel without their worshippers. Transported 'Gods' accept new worshippers alongside the old. They even smile on officiants ethnically/phenotypically different from the old/original ones.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 20, 2019 4:02:41 GMT -5
The 'Gods' and Spirituality of western Africa from Bini to Ngola have been worshipped and kept since a time when all the peoples in that region shared one homeland and interrelated lects. They crossed the Atlantic, probably even before the Maafa, in the force that breeds Hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean Sea. Their worship thrived more in Franco- Iberian America but many non-Caribbean Anglo Americans have embraced them in the last century. Many Afrikan Americans keep differing www.chestnuthilllocal.com/2011/08/05/mt-airy-yoruba-priestess-helps-kids-breathe-easier/ aspects of African Spiritualities in their daily lives. Odunde is celebrated yearly in Philadelphia with flowers and due sacrificed into the Schuylkill for Yemaya. www.odundefestival.org/ Since he was 15 in 1960's Harlem, Last Poet Abiodun Oyewole went to Yoruba 'temple'. As always, be circumspect with what you will trust as a valid source With that caveat, only confessors know their religion/spirituality. This book was given to me by an Orisha worshipper in 1981. Macumba: The Teachings of Maria- José, Mother of the Gods [Serge Bramly 1975] Though only a few sentences, what struck me was the informant schooling the author on North Africa. Haven't vetted but this seems a reliable, notamoneymilkingscam intro destee.com/threads/vodun-the-seven-african-powers.70619/
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 20, 2019 4:24:36 GMT -5
In the USA, do more Blacks or do more others and mixed-with-blacks worship African Gods? The Seven African Powers know.
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Post by anansi on Mar 20, 2019 6:07:49 GMT -5
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Post by zarahan on Mar 20, 2019 20:27:30 GMT -5
THe drug cartels might be getting some kind of religious benefit or maybe build greater loyalty, commitment and secrecy above and beyond mere paid henchmen. This would be advantageous in their line of work.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 20, 2019 20:47:27 GMT -5
Are European corn dollies and such Christianity dolls?
Eurocentric idea that African religion is deviltry.
Vodoun isn't black magic witchcraft. African religion is not evil.
Researched fact of the matter? European corn dollies is where the yte man's voodoo doll myth comes from and traces back to classical Greece.
Associated with the Earth's depths, Chthon is the root of autochthonous -- sprang up from the ground. And so beneath ground becomes nether world. Nether is associated w/death and Hades. Hades became Hell and all chthonic became associated with the Christian Devil idea.
Hermes, of course is the Messenger. The Messenger varies in Africa, often deliberately altering messages, seldom consequently reprimanded from on High.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 22, 2019 16:04:39 GMT -5
Summary review of that book I mentioned.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 22, 2019 16:17:59 GMT -5
Did some study about Mucumba ( Candomble) , Santeria , Yoruba,had a close friend who was a Yoruba priest in Chicago...I also went to Haiti in the 70's to do my own research...!
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Post by anansi on Mar 23, 2019 6:33:16 GMT -5
Moors Magic and Witches [ From the book a history of secret sociaties by arkon darul.the earliest mentions of the witches sabbats;which were also known as "synagogues" came in the eleventh century,and seem to show the assimilation of the diana cult with another: one which involves the worship of a "black man". Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1229/moors-magic-witches#ixzz5izc9vni0. ] Well If the Arkon Darul is correct, then there is some connection to European witch craft transported from Africa into European religious beliefs pre- Christian even, and the Obeah man usually work to spiritually uplift, but he is also called upon to do harm as much as for protection from harm. Does it make African religions evil??..no! But depends on what the user wants.
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Post by anansi on Mar 23, 2019 6:51:22 GMT -5
Oh remembered this post copied and paste from TheNilevalley . Dealing with fractals, that entered Europe from Africa during this era. [ The most interesting thing I found out about it was historical. In the 12th century, Hugo Santalia brought it from Islamic mystics into Spain. And there it entered into the alchemy community as geomancy, divination through the Earth. Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/178/african-fractals#ixzz5izjk5nko ]
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 23, 2019 9:06:00 GMT -5
Thx, Dural has his place but here Please, I'm trying to respect African religion. Afrikan people must not apply Euro degradations to themselves and their own.
Witches of Europe first praise and petition Geehovah god the father before wreaking their evil black magic. Imaginary evil witches' sabbaths are an enhanced degradation of Judaism and Jews commonly thought to have horns, the devils of the synagogues of Satan. Yet Xianity isn't associated with the diabolical.
For Afrikans neither are the sets of the similar religions stretching from Togo to Angola.
We of Israel believe Obeah is the same as ob found in ancient Canaan and unfortunately villify it because of that.
So let's have more insight on Vodoun (Bini) and Condomble (Congo/Angola) type African religions imported to the Americas where they syncretized First People's spritualities and catholicism to survive and thrive and inspire non-Africans to convert.
In most of the USA they were submerged in pentacostal holy ghost type religions similar to Pukumina in Anglican areas.
SB: Haitian syncretism with Judaism. A qiddush cup is one of the highest respected accoutrements in Haiti Vodoun. Baron Samedi = Mr Saturday ~= Adon Shabbat?
On Kippur I recall Haitians and Latinxes coming for kapura cup ritual and oil. Dresscode never distinguished them from us, white is the color of that Holyday. Some would secretly abscond with a siddur or Hhumash.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 23, 2019 9:25:38 GMT -5
Did some study about Mucumba ( Candomble) , Santeria , Yoruba,had a close friend who was a Yoruba priest in Chicago...I also went to Haiti in the 70's to do my own research...! More please. Authenticity from adherents and practitioners over common outsider distortions and outright smear.
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Post by nebsen on Mar 23, 2019 15:10:36 GMT -5
Did some study about Mucumba ( Candomble) , Santeria , Yoruba,had a close friend who was a Yoruba priest in Chicago...I also went to Haiti in the 70's to do my own research...! More please. Authenticity from adherents and practitioners over common outsider distortions and outright smear. Well, I'm not going to get into the details here,but yes, I did spent some time in Haiti in the 70's..& I will never forget the people & the wonderful experience there...I gained much insight. In the 90's I had a friend teacher(sister) who became a priest in" Santeria" in Oakland Ca also a student at US Berkley in Archaeology ,she was the only Black person I knew who was doing such... very smart & insightful sister, she was to be my "Godmother" & I was going to enter her" House" , I got a Ifa reading to determine which Orisha , I was a child of, got my Eleka beads & wore white for a period...that all I'm going to say !!
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 23, 2019 16:14:37 GMT -5
Echoing Zarahan, yes, Lurkers, come out come out where ever you are. Surfers, bail here! Nebsen, ever ride atop the TopTop? I understand public discretion and hope I'm not stretching when I ask Pebbles and Paths or cowries? Forgive me. I did spent some time in Haiti in the 70's..& I will never forget the people & the wonderful experience there...I gained much insight. very smart & insightful sister, she was to be my "Godmother" & I was going to enter her" House" , I got a Ifa reading to determine which Orisha , I was a child of, got my Eleka beads & wore white for a period...
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Post by nebsen on Mar 23, 2019 16:34:12 GMT -5
Echoing Zarahan, yes, Lurkers, come out come out where ever you are. Surfers, bail here! Nebsen, ever ride atop the TopTop? I understand public discretion and hope I'm not stretching when I ask Pebbles and Paths or cowries? Forgive me. I did spent some time in Haiti in the 70's..& I will never forget the people & the wonderful experience there...I gained much insight. very smart & insightful sister, she was to be my "Godmother" & I was going to enter her" House" , I got a Ifa reading to determine which Orisha , I was a child of, got my Eleka beads & wore white for a period... Well like I said, that's all I'm going to say on the matter !! But there is a video produced last year that I think should be looked at...If I knew you better maybe but I don't enough said ! Lets turn the tables how about you sharing some personal ino & insights & don't hide behind poetic obtuseness lol !
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