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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 30, 2019 8:58:39 GMT -5
Ok i c yr reasoning behind them but I don't see bow reparations establishes when Africans were 1st commoditized on a permanent basis on land that would become part of the USA. There was no USA umtil well after 1619. If 1619 is so important to some group of reparationist, they need to take 1619 to 1776 up with the Brits for English colony territory amd they need factor out Louisiana etc before the Purchase. The unblinkered historical fact is 1565. Nor is St Augustine an isolate. It has more to do with slavery in the preUSA than Jamestown. Everyone must read the previous elsewhere given links to learn about St Augustine and Florida in relation to the rest of the eastern seaboard. Another article to consider www.dailypress.com/history/dp-vp-nw-before1619-story.html Keeping history straight: Before 1619 there was 1565 — and even earlier so-called "firsts"But what's this 1619 Jamestown fascination? Marketing promoting 1619-2019 400 yrs? By now everybody ought to know 1565 St Augustine.1565 would upset an Anglo focused narrative, and does not neatly tie into an Anglo Reparations Project, since the Spanish and the French would also have to be in the dock to pay. THe Anglos were not the only ones doing slavery on North American soil. But much of the 1619 info is fairly well known like the cynical deal cut with the southern colonies to preserve slavery so that the colonial independence project could go forward. So how come black nationalists who have said such for decades can't get even a tiny fraction of the resources and media lavished on this? The NYT Magazine is even giving away free copies of their special issue on this- an enormous print run at substantial cost. WHo's behind this agenda?
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Post by zarahan on Sept 1, 2019 21:33:37 GMT -5
Sez the article link: -quote- www.dailypress.com/history/dp-vp-nw-before1619-story.htmlSteve Noll, master lecturer in the history department of the University of Florida, says Virginia and Florida both have important stories to tell. Florida shows how Africans were more than enslaved laborers. They were accomplished explorers and likely on all Spanish expeditions, he said. For example, after Garrido’s travels with Juan Ponce de Leon in 1513, he joined Hernando Cortes in treks to Mexico and California.
Florida also reveals how the idea of race was viewed differently among the Spanish and English. North African Moors ruled Spain for centuries before being kicked out in 1492, and the European and African bloodlines were well mixed, Noll said.
“The Spaniards were darker,” he said. “The Spanish might have been considered black by English standards.”
The enslaved under Spanish rule had more rights than the race-based slavery that developed in the English colonies, he said. It’s telling, Noll said, that slaves in the early decades of slavery escaped south to Florida. By 1738, the Florida governor established Fort Mose for free blacks.
That gives Florida claim to another first: the original Underground Railroad. All this is true. So the Spanish side of the house is just as important as the Anglo side in terms of European driven origin settlements. Some would argue that as far as reparations then both the Spanish and the French should pay. Indeed the French, who reaped massive profits from black misery via American hemisphere colonies such as Haiti, and to a lesser extent US mainland settlements such as around New Orleans and elsewhere, may need to pony up more. At least the Spanish were more flexible as seen via Fort Mose and other such, though the scale of misery is high across the board regardless..
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Post by zarahan on Sept 13, 2019 21:40:53 GMT -5
yes there were many factors contributing & integration was one Big factor...living in Chicago doing those periods I remember..I had a couple of buddies who had never went downtown ...because they had every thing they wanted in the communities shopping areas many business were Black owned among Jewish business..so many Black folks did not have to leave there neighborhoods to shop esp when down town was many miles away ... This confirms what many influential blacks have already said, that things were better for blacks in segregated days. Even W.E. B. Dubios come to the same conclusion. Yco if influential blacks said things were better off for blacks under segregation why did the young foot soldiers of the civil rights revolution like SNCC and CORE reject the old line accomodationism and Booker-Teeism of many of their elders? Why did Stokley, Diane Nash and all those students risk beatings, jailings, bankruptcy etc to buy from the white man? Look at the link below of the young students at Morgan State in Maryland who were doing sit-ins long before the Greensboro sit-ins or ML King showed up. Notice that they wanted white stores and businesses to serve them equally and with dignity. If all these black businesses were so independent and so rich, and provided everything needed, why would the students be petitioning the white man for equal service? www.nathanielturner.com/clarencelogannorthwoodmovement.htmQUOTE: But 50 years ago, Read’s [drug store] was like an oasis in the desert for hungry students who could take out a hot meal (there weren’t fast-food establishments or convenience stores on every corner in the 1950s) right at the corner of Coldspring Lane and Loch Raven Boulevard, just minutes from Morgan’s campus. But the operative phrase is “take out.” And of course, Blacks couldn’t sit down at Read’s and enjoy a meal like Whites. "[/b] If black businesses were so numerous and independent in the "golden age" of segregation, how come there was not a black store nearby that could have filled these student's needs? Where were they?
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Post by ycoamigofull on Sept 16, 2019 22:11:46 GMT -5
This confirms what many influential blacks have already said, that things were better for blacks in segregated days. Even W.E. B. Dubios come to the same conclusion. The black businesses were probably there, its only that the integrationist blacks who did the sit-ins like Stokely Carmichael and the black students were brainwashed and enamored of everything white. The black students were so brainwashed they let themselves get arrested by the hundreds just so they could drink coffee with the white man at the lunch counters. Its like the old saying with many blacks, they think the white man's ice is colder.
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Post by nebsen on Sept 18, 2019 17:35:48 GMT -5
Great footage of Black Towns In Oklahoma ...!!
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Post by ycoamigofull on Sept 18, 2019 22:37:06 GMT -5
Great footage of Black Towns In Oklahoma ...!! Yep yep, like the video shows Black Oklahoma had up to 50 all black towns. They did not need anything from the white man. Everything was there. It's the brainwashed negroes who think the white man's ice is colder that messed up that solid black network.
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Post by zarahan on Sept 29, 2019 13:58:18 GMT -5
So Stokley Carmichael and the young black sit-in protesters were just chumps who couldn't refrain themselves from buying from the white man?
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Sept 29, 2019 18:10:24 GMT -5
So Stokley Carmichael and the young black sit-in protesters were just chumps who couldn't refrain themselves from buying from the white man? Holy van Camp's beans! Stokely is Kwame Ture, right? snccdigital.org/people/stokely-carmichael/ www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/carmichael-stokely-kwame-ture-1941-1998/Anyway sometimes ya ain't inda hood n wanna buy sumpin and yo money just as green. Ya want the exact same service and treatment his money get him no static. Thing is now everybody can get served from a small window around back and prefer it too! Bama raps it at 1:13 but hear the whole track. I Got Soul aka Would You Do It Black?
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