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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 28, 2019 4:31:46 GMT -5
What is all the gibberish above?
What I have been saying all along.
Ancient Africans(Upper Paleolithic/Mesolithic) migrating DIRECTLY to Iberia and Italy. NOT via the Near East ...or Steppes. lol!
They were replaced by a new breed of Africans(Maghrebi) which decreased the SSA component(West African/YRI) in North Africa and Europe.
Here is the kicker. This Maghrebi(Neolithic) component was also from SSA ie Great Lakes. If they included the South East Africans, it would be a slam dunk. He! He! He!
When they Analyze ancient West Africans they will align with WHG!!!
This is so easy.
BTW to those who can follow. They used autosomal haplotype to do their analysis not the B**sh** SNP frequency nonsense. Very similar to CODIS STR. The premise being some segments of the autosome (not uniparentals) go through minimal recombinaton.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 28, 2019 4:34:03 GMT -5
If they included the Abusir using these very same haplotypes. The Abusir will be undoubtedly African. The technology is out there. The tools are out there.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 28, 2019 4:44:41 GMT -5
Of course this paper will be ignored(Max Planck and Paabo, Reich and Co will continue to control the narrative) and pop culture will continue on with Steppes nomads or Near East and Anatolian farmers sailing the Seas planting crops. lol!!! GTFOH!!
Do you know why Europeans came up with that nonsense fairy tale about sailor farmers?
Because they needed to explain away the time line. You see, Morocco/Iberia started Agriculture exactly about the same time as Sardinia and Egypt and the Fertile Crescent. Therefore the timeline could NOT account for demic diffusion.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 28, 2019 23:09:17 GMT -5
Excellent followup Barbujani led report to Tassi 2015 Early modern human dispersal from Africa: genomic evidence for multiple waves of migration
jammed pack w/additional files
And it's good to see Hernandez stand independent ground and advance to her 2015 article
Thx 4 t/thread Mensa
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 29, 2019 6:33:34 GMT -5
De Nada! Excellent followup Barbujani led report to Tassi 2015 Early modern human dispersal from Africa: genomic evidence for multiple waves of migration jammed pack w/additional files And it's good to see Hernandez stand independent ground and advance to her 2015 article Thx 4 t/thread Mensa
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Post by zarahan on Dec 30, 2019 1:25:02 GMT -5
xyz said:
So basically you are saying we need not look exclusively to the Middle East or steppes for ancient movement to EUrope- although some portion in different eras happened from thence, but that ancient African movement across the Mediterranean, via the Western route into Iberia must also take its place as a major road. Curse Africans are represented on either road or pathways, regardless. Good roundup.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 30, 2019 10:41:23 GMT -5
No. There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks.
NOT from the Steppes and NOT from the Middle East.
Why? The R1b found in the Steppe Yamnya are younger than those found in Iberia/South West Europe. R1b found in West Europe are NOT a subset of those of the Yamnya. Therefore it is impossible for the Yamnya to be ancestral to Western Europeans.
The mtDNA also proves the same. Western European females do NOT carry the same mtDNA H as Near East females. therefore it is impossible Near East Neolithic females to be ancestral to west European females.
North African females carry ancestral mtDNA H to West European females. The closest matches are...you guessed it. Iberia and Italy!
All this points to a migration of Africans to Europe and Africans(Berbers) being DIRECT ancestors of modern Europeans.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 30, 2019 10:57:17 GMT -5
WHAT??? No. There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks.NOT from the Steppes and NOT from the Middle East.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 30, 2019 12:49:49 GMT -5
XYZ said: No. There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks.
You might need a bit of qualification. I take you to mean that there was little or no movement in pre-historic times, but others might misinterpret you, since Ottoman times are fairly recent, around 1000 AD or later. "ANY" until that recent period seems too broad brush. Can you clarify?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 30, 2019 17:40:11 GMT -5
You have a counter argument??? I repeat... "There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks." Why? The R1b found in the Steppe Yamnya are younger than those found in Iberia/South West Europe. R1b found in West Europe are NOT a subset of those of the Yamnya. Therefore it is impossible for the Yamnya to be ancestral to Western Europeans. The mtDNA also proves the same. Western European females do NOT carry the same mtDNA H as Near East females. therefore it is impossible Near East Neolithic females to be ancestral to west European females. North African females carry ancestral mtDNA H to West European females. The closest matches are...you guessed it. Iberia and Italy! All this points to a migration of Africans to Europe and Africans(Berbers) being DIRECT ancestors of modern Europeans. Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3009/spread-neolithics-south-isolation-distance?page=3#ixzz69dJ9vCwuWHAT??? No. There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks.NOT from the Steppes and NOT from the Middle East.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 30, 2019 17:42:43 GMT -5
XYZ said: No. There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks.You might need a bit of qualification. I take you to mean that there was little or no movement in pre-historic times, but others might misinterpret you, since Ottoman times are fairly recent, around 1000 AD or later. "ANY" until that recent period seems too broad brush. Can you clarify? Can I clarify? hmmmmmm!
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Post by kel on Dec 30, 2019 17:43:36 GMT -5
um....dude. So are you trying to say that the migrations of the 'Barbarian Period' never happened ?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 30, 2019 17:48:34 GMT -5
Anyone needs an explanation. Hit me up.
There is no celtic, Barbarian, Asian, Eurasian, Vikings or Steppes or any other. All lies or embellish or exaggerated stories. There is no genetic proof.
Any one can provide genetic data otherwise. Hit me up
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 31, 2019 9:52:29 GMT -5
"You have a counter argument???
I repeat..."
Rrrright! Repeating falshoods make 'em true.
No Huns (conquering as far as northern France) No Etzel (Attila) in German mythology's Volsunga Saga No Atli (Attila) in the Norse Poetic Edda counterpart No Hungary in East Europe No Mongol khanates
Okey doke iffen u say so What do Saag, Tambets, et al(2019) say
Meanwhile: suggested supremacist readings -- • The Passing of the Great Race or the racial basis of European history • The Rising Tide of Color against white world-supremacy
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 31, 2019 15:59:13 GMT -5
Where are the Huns, Norse, Mongols, Celts etc? You are right...."No Etzel (Attila) in German mythology's Volsunga Saga Don't you people realize that Europeans have been doing this for the last 500years. Even today they do it with their fake news stories. Time some of you catch on. Throw those books in the trash, relearn everything you were taught to believe. Science don't lie .....but can be misread or twisted to suit the narrator. When it is done objectively ...the result is the above. Even in this paper there are mis-representation as expected from Europeans. The study is primarily about haplotypes within the autosomes for Iberians and North Africans. But they reference some back-migration to Africa using mtDNA H but if they had looked at Kefi's latest paper on mtNA H they would realize the migration was not from Europe to Africa of mtDNA H but from Africa to Europe. So there....Europeans can't help themselves with lies even when they are trying to be truthful. Phylogeny and genetic structure of Tunisian populations and their position within Mediterranean - Rym Kefi 2014 Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1757/finally-kefi-2014-origin-mtdna#ixzz69ioGDm001. Tunisia column is very important ie BOTH the Berbers and the" arabs". 2. Compare NE/AP vs IP and note frequency AND H sub-groups of each compared to Tunisia. from: Research article Open Access Mitochondrial DNA haplogroup H structure in North Africa Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1374/mtdna-african-probably#ixzz69iqUKYKr
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