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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 8, 2020 21:47:53 GMT -5
Good for you Dr Winters. I wish I could learn Hieroglyphs and other languages. Do my own research and publish. Exposing the lies. Teach the correct history in schools.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 8, 2020 21:56:46 GMT -5
Ahem....you know you are not a match for me. I am not an apologist. {not you Dr Winters}
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Post by kel on Jan 8, 2020 23:04:51 GMT -5
yes, the vid. describes perfectly how even amongst the most prominent of noble families in Spain were actually Moors who converted and married in. This is part of the history of the time which is sorely neglected. Clearly there were shifting alliances and marriages across racial and religious lines depending upon political or military necessity. The neat way the Reconquest period is described has to be a lie. Since, "Colombus" was allegedly present at that turn of Grenada who knows what the real story is ? Why was he there ? and then thereafter embarks on a journey West. .... looking for intel ? maps ? tools ? tech ?
It was that vid that convinced me that what Mike111 had to say had some legs............
And if that process happened in Spain, it would have happened elsewhere in Europe: Black nobles...intermarriage...religious changes: Shakespeare's Othello was real....describing a dynamic that must have occurred.
"Othello is an adaptation of the Italian writer Cinthio's tale "Un Capitano Moro" ("A Moorish Captain") from his Gli Hecatommithi (1565), Cinthio's tale may have been based on an actual incident occurring in Venice about 1508. Cinthio drew a moral (which he placed in the mouth of Desdemona) that it is unwise for European women to marry the temperamental men of other nations.Cinthio's tale has been described as a "partly racist warning" about the dangers of miscegenation" (wiki)
NOTE: Othello may be based on real people: Italy: Venice: 1508 !!!! .....also note: Othello moorish ship captain - nautical experience at the time of the New World discovery. "Colombus" in Grenada and subsequent voyage. DNA evidence of Africans at "Colombus" La Isabela landing site.
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Post by kel on Jan 8, 2020 23:24:34 GMT -5
El Cid was a lie, Guzmman was a lie Europeans have been "creating' their history for the last 400years. ALL lies. "Historians, however, have not yet found contemporary records referring to Rodrigo as Cid."
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 9, 2020 10:07:18 GMT -5
Your ego won't allow to ever be wrong
Nevertheless I am your nemesis
Were we fighting with machetes and I severed off all your limbs leaving you a torso and head only your ego would declare you winner
NOTE: I have a "joking relationship" with Xyyman that allows us to trade "insults" without recrimination.
Long ago he honored and respected me with the title Sage.
Reciprocally I began calling him Mensamind.
No response either of us make to the other is disrespectful or antagonistic or intended to hurt or belittle.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 9, 2020 10:46:02 GMT -5
Social Media is conducive to mind rot.
What in that video that's factual wasn't already taught by JA Rogers in Sex and Race v1 and Nature Knows No Colorline back in the 50's or even better in the vanSertima edition Golden Age of the Moor featuring 14 Black Scholars, and African Presence in Early Europe.
Y'all can invest 90 minutes of valuable time on this y womenz video but not one minute in reading what our own wrote to hand along our generations
Jackson and Clarke and them were so so right, unlike any other people in the world Blacks do not honor care for nor respect their own historians.
The lauding of this video over Black Scholar historians is the proof.
You'd rather watch a yte person's video than read a blk person's book or article
SMH you deserve the coming storm
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 9, 2020 12:48:27 GMT -5
Yes. No disrespect Sage. I have been taught to respect and honor the elders....people who taught you.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 9, 2020 12:50:41 GMT -5
BTW. I read Van Sertima and CLARKE etc many many years ago. Agreed we dont read anymore. I audio books now. Apps can actual read to you. Video is one of many tools.
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Post by clydewin98 on Jan 10, 2020 20:30:24 GMT -5
BTW. I read Van Sertima and CLARKE etc many many years ago. Agreed we dont read anymore. I audio books now. Apps can actual read to you. Video is one of many tools. Audio books are good but you can't make annotations concerning what you read. Annotation is an important part of knowledge building because these nuggets can inform you later in your research. Today, its hard to find a good book relating to ancient history, so you have to read varied articles. This too is hard because there are so many research journals today that you can get overwhelmed trying to keep up with the literature. plus, some University libraries and key research centers will not let you into their reading rooms unless you are a student, or there are paywalls limiting access to selected journals. This can hinder your access to knowledge. It limits your access to knowledge because reading the actual article can provide key information not found in the abstract.
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Post by kel on Jan 10, 2020 20:56:07 GMT -5
"There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks. NOT from the Steppes and NOT from the Middle East." See if u can make sense of this study. They kind of admit that the 'Migration Period' narrative is untrue. www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4
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Post by clydewin98 on Jan 10, 2020 20:57:40 GMT -5
Good for you Dr Winters. I wish I could learn Hieroglyphs and other languages. Do my own research and publish. Exposing the lies. Teach the correct history in schools. I wished you were publishing too, because our established geneticist refuse to tell the truth about the origin pf selected haplogroups. Back in the day you could publish an article if your references supported your propositions. its not that east today.The Academia, especially in the field of genetics behind the scenes is in crisis. In the past they could publish propaganda without any opposition. but when you and I began too see through their nonsense they are trying their best to maintain the status quo.Before I retired I taught research. As a result, the scientist at my University often had me on their writing committees to make their proposed research based on the scientific method. Genetics research is not based on the scientific method. They may have a research question, but they never state hypothesis. what this means is that geneticists publish descriptive studies describing their findings. Since they are descriptive studies anybody can evaluate the findings and make their own inferences.You see, geneticists when making sweeping statements about population genetics, and even phylogeography are just making guesses unless they can base, support, their inferences with archaeological data/evidence. What has upset them the most is the finding that both the early European hunter-gathers and agro-pastoral people carried R1-V88. This was a shock because V88 was assumed to be an African haplogroup. Discovery that V88 was the oldest haplogroup carried by Neolithic Europeans burst the Eurocentrist myth they originated in Europe. Due to this finding Eurocentrists are trying to sell the back migration theory--but there is no archaeology to support this lie. Publishing your work is very difficult, today. In the past you sent a journal an article and if the findings were valid and reliable the work was published. Now you can get a work based solely on who you know. That's why you see the same authors cited on research articles relating to ancient Europeans, namely the Harvard clique. This is not true today, in the Western research journals you have to pay between $2500-$4000 to publish an article. As you might imagine if you aren't supported by a grant your work won't be published.
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Post by clydewin98 on Jan 10, 2020 21:39:12 GMT -5
"There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks. NOT from the Steppes and NOT from the Middle East." See if u can make sense of this study. They kind of admit that the 'Migration Period' narrative is untrue. www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4The average article published on the ancient history of Europe is written in double-speech and as a result, will be hard to understand unless you read the literature critically. Doublespeak is language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. Doublespeak may take the form of euphemisms, in which case it is primarily meant to make the truth sound more palatable. It may also refer to intentional ambiguity in language or to actual inversions of meaning. Let’s look at a passage from the article you posted. “While previous sampling from the era has been limited, we note that published fourth- to seventh-century genomes from Britain, Bavaria, Lithuania, and the Caucasus, analyzed alongside our own ancient samples, cluster close to their modern counterparts. The next temporally closest major European sample to the Migration Period involves a large number of recently characterized Bronze Age individuals that are ~100 generations separated from the Migration Period20,25,26. Though there are discrepancies, we find a general genetic similarity between individuals sampled from the same location today and in the Bronze Age at a continent-wide scale when considering northern and southern ancestry (Fig. 2, Supplementary Figures 73, 74), suggesting that the strong isolation-by-distance pattern observed in modern day Europeans was emerging ~4000 years ago (and presumably would have been even more similar ~1500 years ago). Based on PCA and D-statistic analyses (Supplementary Figures 75–84), individuals from Szólád and Collegno with high CEU + GBR ancestry that make up the majority of our sample are significantly closer to Bronze Age central, northwestern, eastern (Polish), and (at least using PCA) northern Europeans than Bronze Age Hungarians. We found no evidence that such ancestry was present in northern Italy during this time (who instead resemble modern southern and Iberian Europeans), which would be consistent with inferred long term barriers to gene flow in Europe across the Alps31. As noted previously26, Bronze Age populations and Hungarian Scythians from the third to sixth centuries BCE are diverse, with most sharing similarity with modern southern Europeans, though a minority are found in close proximity to the central/northern samples from Szólád and Collegno in the PCA. Overall, we suggest that based on modern and Bronze Age data, the high CEU + GBR ancestry observed in both Szólád and in particular Collegno is unusual. “ We read:” While previous sampling from the era has been limited, we note that published fourth- to seventh-century genomes from Britain, Bavaria, Lithuania, and the Caucasus, analyzed alongside our own ancient samples, cluster close to their modern counterparts. “ This passage makes it clear that the 4th-7th Century samples are not related to the ancient samples. Next we read: “ The next temporally closest major European sample to the Migration Period involves a large number of recently characterized Bronze Age individuals that are ~100 generations separated from the Migration Period20,25,26. Though there are discrepancies, we find a general genetic similarity between individuals sampled from the same location today and in the Bronze Age at a continent-wide scale when considering northern and southern ancestry (Fig. 2, Supplementary Figures 73, 74), suggesting that the strong isolation-by-distance pattern observed in modern day Europeans was emerging ~4000 years ago (and presumably would have been even more similar ~1500 years ago). “ In the earlier passage it was made clear that there was no relationship between ancient and modern Europeans, yet in this passage under review the authors claim that “we find a general genetic similarity between individuals sampled from the same location today and in the Bronze Age “. Think about it, first they claim no relationship, and now they say it is a relationship. Then we read: “As noted previously26, Bronze Age populations and Hungarian Scythians from the third to sixth centuries BCE are diverse, with most sharing similarity with modern southern Europeans, though a minority are found in close proximity to the central/northern samples from Szólád and Collegno in the PCA. “ Here the author claim that the ancient and modern populations “BCE are diverse, with most sharing similarity with modern southern Europeans ”, Again the authors use double speak. They say the anciet and modern populations were diverse, but “, with most sharing similarity with modern southern Europeans “ this suggest that there was probably two different populations one related to the ancient population and the other representing a new population. The rest of the article discusses the similarity between the two sites in relation to barbarian migrations into Europe. One thing is clear though, the ancient and modern groups were not the same.
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Post by kel on Jan 10, 2020 23:52:39 GMT -5
"There was never ANY movement of humans into Europe other than FROM Africa.....until the Ottoman Turks. NOT from the Steppes and NOT from the Middle East." See if u can make sense of this study. They kind of admit that the 'Migration Period' narrative is untrue. www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4The average article published on the ancient history of Europe is written in double-speech and as a result, will be hard to understand unless you read the literature critically. Doublespeak is language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. Doublespeak may take the form of euphemisms, in which case it is primarily meant to make the truth sound more palatable. It may also refer to intentional ambiguity in language or to actual inversions of meaning. Let’s look at a passage from the article you posted. AGREED. lots of gobbledegook
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 12, 2020 19:58:25 GMT -5
Who said anything about ? Anyway, we're not into hero worship. The old early-mid 20th century Black Scholars made a mistake here and there. They were human beings not demi-gods, nor does time stand still. No way can detractors use info unknown in their day to besmirch their reputation or their works. By no means does that give said scholars a free pass. The African Black Scholar Cheikh Anta Diop required that we correct him where we can show any errors in his works. That's how the knowledge advances and independent minded scholars avoid the pitfalls of turning independent minded African Studies into a dogma, a thus sayeth religion, or an anything goes fiasco. What are the elements of Diop's research that should be corrected in your opinion? The only correction I think should be made is his idea that the modern Europeans are descendants of Cro-Magnon people. This was a mistake. Cro-Magnon man was a negro. Modern Europeans are not native to Western Europe, therefore they did not originate in Europe.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 13, 2020 21:18:50 GMT -5
I wished [Xyyman] were publishing too, because our established geneticist refuse to tell the truth about the origin pf selected haplogroups. Back in the day you could publish an article if your references supported your propositions. its not that east today.The Academia, especially in the field of genetics behind the scenes is in crisis. In the past they could publish propaganda without any opposition. but when you and I began too see through their nonsense they are trying their best to maintain the status quo.Before I retired I taught research. As a result, the scientist at my University often had me on their writing committees to make their proposed research based on the scientific method. Genetics research is not based on the scientific method. They may have a research question, but they never state hypothesis. what this means is that geneticists publish descriptive studies describing their findings. Since they are descriptive studies anybody can evaluate the findings and make their own inferences.You see, geneticists when making sweeping statements about population genetics, and even phylogeography are just making guesses unless they can base, support, their inferences with archaeological data/evidence. What has upset them the most is the finding that both the early European hunter-gathers and agro-pastoral people carried R1-V88. This was a shock because V88 was assumed to be an African haplogroup. Discovery that V88 was the oldest haplogroup carried by Neolithic Europeans burst the Eurocentrist myth they originated in Europe. Due to this finding Eurocentrists are trying to sell the back migration theory--but there is no archaeology to support this lie. Publishing your work is very difficult, today. In the past you sent a journal an article and if the findings were valid and reliable the work was published. Now you can get a work based solely on who you know. That's why you see the same authors cited on research articles relating to ancient Europeans, namely the Harvard clique. This is not true today, in the Western research journals you have to pay between $2500-$4000 to publish an article. As you might imagine if you aren't supported by a grant your work won't be published. The sad sad truth. The dirty lowdown. Big Brother & Cousin Capital won out w/a lil help from friend Reality TV I hope all cognize the current president of the greatest free world nation is a R TV personality and that as much as his $$$ and scared backra pandering will see to his further presidency
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