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Post by kel on Jan 9, 2020 18:56:52 GMT -5
um....ok...hehehe
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Post by anansi on Jan 10, 2020 20:32:58 GMT -5
[ Bad analogy Brada. These Africans are messed up mentally. They worship their colonizers. They wish they were Europeans and mimic their colonial masters. Isabella and Ferdinand hated the Moors according to some "historians". Spain and maybe Southern Italy did their best to destroy or obliterate their African past. All evidence now indicate Africans were there since the early Neolithic and is responsible for settlement and development of southern European civilization since the Neolithic.] Bruh, I wouldn't call Mugabe no kiss ass, or messed up head case, tho he stayed in power too long. But even he didn't get rid of those stupid wigs. www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/africa/zimbabwe-judges-wigs-gbr-intl-scli/index.htmlIt is quite possible to hate your enemies and still be influenced by them, after all 700 yrs of African and A-rab rule is a long time to just shake off abruptly.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 13, 2020 10:37:33 GMT -5
XYZ said: El Cid was a lie,In what way was El CId a lie? You need to be more specific. So Rodrigo never existed? I think on another thread you said no contemporary sources addressed the man as "El Cid." This is true but this does not mean the man did not exist. His title maybe came later. per one article wiki: The name El Cid (Spanish: [el ˈθið]) is a modern Spanish denomination composed of the article el meaning "the" and Cid, which derives from the Old Castilian loan word Çid borrowed from the dialectal Arabic word سيد sîdi or sayyid, which means "Lord" or "Master". The Mozarabs or the Arabs that served in his ranks may have addressed him in this way, which the Christians may have transliterated and adopted. Historians, however, have not yet found contemporary records referring to Rodrigo as Cid. Arab sources use instead Rudriq, Ludriq al-Kanbiyatur or al-Qanbiyatur (Rodrigo el Campeador).[4] The cognomen Campeador derives from Latin campi doctor, which means "battlefield master". He probably gained it during the campaigns of King Sancho II of Castile against his brothers King Alfonso VI of León and King García II of Galicia. While his contemporaries left no historical sources that would have addressed him as Cid, they left plenty of Christian and Arab records, some even signed documents with his autograph, addressing him as Campeador, which prove that he used the Christian cognomen himself.[5][6][7][8] The whole combination Cid Campeador is first documented ca. 1195 in the Navarro-Aragonese Linage de Rodric Díaz included in the Liber Regum under the formula mio Cid el Campeador. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid^^If the above is correct, it seems he did not have the well known historical title in his time, but again, this does not mean that the warlord/warrior/whatever did not exist. But forget Wikipedia and its references. Other history books I have seen says he "became known as El CId" indicating he got the title later so they are not hiding anything per se. One general history book book (Events That Formed the Modern World -2012) says: "He [Rodrigo] has become best known to history as El Cid." But if you say it is all a lie, then you are implying that Rodrigo never existed, which is inaccurate. This is why I say you need to be more precise with some of these claims.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 13, 2020 10:59:36 GMT -5
This video is fascinating, WOW! She is actually calling European History .....lies. You know there wasn't a "mohammed". Mohammed is a fictional character. It is obvious Islam or the practice is indigenous Southern Europe. Islam existed in Europe before Mohammed was ever ..."born" so how could he have been responsible for Islam. Look at the timeline. You people need to start using your "brain". Another lie. . This sounds dubious. Islam and Mohammed started in Europe? A massive amount of credible scholarship says that this is bunk. But if you are right then you should have credible facts to the contrary. In what way is Mohammed and Islam indigenous to Europe? The video doesn't say either. So what we have is a sweeping claim, with nothing to back it up. Here again, if folk are going to argue an "Afrocentric" line, they need to have mastery of the facts.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 13, 2020 11:12:11 GMT -5
I am not an scholar of African Studies but I know BS when I smell it and does not make sense. Continue being an apologist. Here she exposes the lies of European history.
Quote:"The role of islam in the development of the European mind". " A conscious process of historical neglect".
She is not saying anything new for people who knows a bit of history. I don;t dispute much of what she is saying as to manipulation to build narratives. Of course the Spanish will distort and propagandize to big up their history. Sure. Every nation does it- with oft bogus myths, including America. The Muslims do it as well, as Takuri had in another post, where they try to claim that advanced African civilizations are not due to Africans but to some sort of outside agency. Muslims are just as bad as everyone else in spinning propaganda.
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Post by zarahan on Jan 13, 2020 11:22:26 GMT -5
[ Bad analogy Brada. These Africans are messed up mentally. They worship their colonizers. They wish they were Europeans and mimic their colonial masters. Isabella and Ferdinand hated the Moors according to some "historians". Spain and maybe Southern Italy did their best to destroy or obliterate their African past. All evidence now indicate Africans were there since the early Neolithic and is responsible for settlement and development of southern European civilization since the Neolithic.]
Sure some Africans are in thrall to the white man, but like Brada says it takes time and education to break free of the propaganda narratives. And of course Isabella and the rest hated the Moors. The Moorish period was a mixed bag for them, as the Muslim presence in Africa has been a mixed one. They brought some good in trade & advanced techniques, but they also wreaked massive damage by enslaving millions of Africans over not only the Sahara, but vast numbers through the Indian Ocean route as well. SOME even helped broker slave sales or procured slaves direct for the white man in some areas when the Atlantic trade started. Such things are fact as documented not by Europeans but by Africans who left a record behind, not to mention reference to Arab records in various eras of the negroes they enslaved. Black people are best helped not by shaky "Afrocentric" fantasy (not accusing you) but a good grasp of the actual facts.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 13, 2020 17:24:22 GMT -5
Like ancestored historian Dr Clarke put it
If you don't see a friend/ally in the mirror don't expect any
Check YouTube for Dr. John Henrik Clarke - You have no friends (full) @ 4:25.
85% agreement quotient
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 13, 2020 21:10:54 GMT -5
I never said Islam originated in Europe. I said Mohammed NEVER existed and that the customs of Islam was in Europe long before Mohammed was a twinkle in his father's eyes. So this tale about Islamic invasion from "Arabia" is BS and made up. All evidence support the FACT the this Islamic customs were part of the Iberian and southern Italy customs LONG before the so called Islamic invasion. These two places with so called heavy ancient Islamic customs are in Italy and Iberia. The more logical scenario is these were Africans/North living with their customs and being indigenous to Southern Europe.
As for El Cid - I am not the one saying El CId is fabricated. This is a White European woman saying this. LOOK at the Video! ALL of It!
She is the saying contemporary European History like El Cid is a lie. He never existed!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jan 13, 2020 21:17:08 GMT -5
What makes you think Mugabe was "conscious"? He was a leftist who hated colonialism. I don't think he was mentally Emancipated....just like Nelson Mandela. In the last few years in power he tried to make things right. tsk! tsk! Why London...don't this stuff get made in China....lol! "The Zimbabwe Independent newspaper reported that the country's Judiciary Service Commission placed an order for 64 horse-hair wigs from Stanley Ley Legal Outfitters in London, at a cost of £1,850 ($2,428) per wig and totaling £118,400 ($155,000)." [ Bad analogy Brada. These Africans are messed up mentally. They worship their colonizers. They wish they were Europeans and mimic their colonial masters. Isabella and Ferdinand hated the Moors according to some "historians". Spain and maybe Southern Italy did their best to destroy or obliterate their African past. All evidence now indicate Africans were there since the early Neolithic and is responsible for settlement and development of southern European civilization since the Neolithic.] Bruh, I wouldn't call Mugabe no kiss ass, or messed up head case, tho he stayed in power too long. But even he didn't get rid of those stupid wigs. www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/africa/zimbabwe-judges-wigs-gbr-intl-scli/index.htmlIt is quite possible to hate your enemies and still be influenced by them, after all 700 yrs of African and A-rab rule is a long time to just shake off abruptly.
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Post by kel on Jan 14, 2020 10:35:12 GMT -5
So this tale about Islamic invasion from "Arabia" is BS and made up
Yes....what is characterized as an invasion by Tarik was probably long standing contacts, trade, culture, and movement and settlement of peoples prior to that. Makes sense....the distance across Gibralter is miniscule.
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