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Post by Charlie Bass on Mar 31, 2010 12:14:15 GMT -5
Africa and the world: an introduction to the history of sub-Saharan Africa ... By Lewis H. Gann, Peter Duignan p.60-61   |
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Post by anastasiaescrava on Feb 27, 2014 22:34:13 GMT -5
Any more info?
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Post by locdiva on Aug 26, 2014 22:09:32 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I don;t understand LocDiva. But you will find no end of gushing claims as to how enlightened they were. I have no problem with Greece having SOME democratic elements but they were not a democracy in the modern sense. Only a minority could vote in Greece. The "democracy" of Sparta did not extend to the bulk of the population, the helots. Of the vaunted Athenians, only about 10% of the population were eligible for any democratic privileges. And that ancient "democracy" was closely linked with the particular tribal background culture of its practitioners. And if partial elements make a democracy then Africa too had democracy. The "gada" system of the East African Galla for example had an orderly rotating republican system where holders of power were freely elected based on age-grade election populations. Furthermore as in the gada, age and gender were also influential factors on the antiquarian "democracy." Women had lots more power in Egypt, Sudan and Kush. I was so inspired by Shanakdakhete, I made that one of my Google handles!  |
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Post by zarahan on Aug 27, 2014 0:49:09 GMT -5
I am always learning new stuff on this forum. Who was Shanakdakhete?
A noblewoman? Kush? Egypt?
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Post by anansi on Aug 27, 2014 3:32:16 GMT -5
I am always learning new stuff on this forum. Who was Shanakdakhete? A noblewoman? Kush? Egypt? She was a Queen of Meroitc era Kush titled Kandakes it seemed after the move from Napata a line of Queens came into prominence,and these were not some shrinking violets either they lead their armies into battle,defeated the Roman armies. Kandakes: Shanakdakhete:late 2nd century BCE Amanirenas:late 1st century BCE Amanishakheto:late 1st century BCE Amanitore:early 1st century CE Amanikhatashan:1st century CE Furude Rika:midlate 1st century CE Nawidemak: early 1st century CE Maleqorobar:3rd century Lakhideaman:4th century These were Queens ruling in their own right not merely the consort of the King,actually the above had male consorts. |
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Post by nebsen on Aug 27, 2014 14:10:28 GMT -5
I am always learning new stuff on this forum. Who was Shanakdakhete? A noblewoman? Kush? Egypt? She was a Queen of Meroitc era Kush titled Kandakes it seemed after the move from Napata a line of Queens came into prominence,and these were not some shrinking violets either they lead their armies into battle,defeated the Roman armies. Kandakes: Shanakdakhete:late 2nd century BCE Amanirenas:late 1st century BCE Amanishakheto:late 1st century BCE Amanitore:early 1st century CE Amanikhatashan:1st century CE Furude Rika:midlate 1st century CE Nawidemak: early 1st century CE Maleqorobar:3rd century Lakhideaman:4th century These were Queens ruling in their own right not merely the consort of the King,actually the above had male consorts. Thanks Anansi, for the information on Nubian Queens. Yes, Shanakdakhete or Shanakdkheto was the earliest Meroitic Queen( Kandakes) of Nubia. I have always marveled how African women of old could rule in their own right. It seems African women at one time had much anatomy to be leaders even in battle. Was this a product of a once matriarchal, & matrilineal descent societies of eons past; before the invasion of Arabs & Europeans( patriarchy) ? like stated earlier, women of the" Nile Valley" had more legal rights than any other women of the ancient world. I have seen a many of house holds, where black women" rule", & just let the brothers think they do . |
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Post by zarahan on Aug 27, 2014 20:39:09 GMT -5
Since the Candaces are located in the Sudan, arenit assorted claims by SOME of today;s Ethiopians based on the Biblical record false? They claim for example that Phillip the Apostle baptized an important official from Ethiopia in Acts 8. But that chapter specifically mentions that the man's boss was Candace, a Sudanic title of queens. Likewise we are told "Cush" or "Kush" stands for today's Ethiopia. But the Bible mentions Taharqua specifically as coming to help his Hebrew allies in Jerusalem. Taharqua came from Nubia/Sudan not today's Ethiopia. What are we to make of claims of SOME of today's Ethiopians as to how they appear in the Biblical record? In fact the Biblical record points to the Sudan- and Kush more than anything. IN the Biblical record both "Kush" (meaning black) and "Mizraim" (meaning Egypt) are biological brothers, sons of Ham. We know from all our ES studies that the closest people to Egyptians are Nubians from the Sudan, confirming the Biblical narrative. So how could today's Ethiopia be Biblical Kush/Cush?  |
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Post by anastasiaescrava on Aug 27, 2014 22:49:17 GMT -5
I am always learning new stuff on this forum. Who was Shanakdakhete? A noblewoman? Kush? Egypt? She was a Queen of Meroitc era Kush titled Kandakes it seemed after the move from Napata a line of Queens came into prominence,and these were not some shrinking violets either they lead their armies into battle,defeated the Roman armies. Kandakes: Shanakdakhete:late 2nd century BCE Amanirenas:late 1st century BCE Amanishakheto:late 1st century BCE Amanitore:early 1st century CE Amanikhatashan:1st century CE Furude Rika:midlate 1st century CE Nawidemak: early 1st century CE Maleqorobar:3rd century Lakhideaman:4th century These were Queens ruling in their own right not merely the consort of the King,actually the above had male consorts. Interesting. Where did you get this info? I looked up Furude rika and got an Anime character! |
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2014 3:16:06 GMT -5
Since the Candaces are located in the Sudan, arenit assorted claims by SOME of today;s Ethiopians based on the Biblical record false? They claim for example that Phillip the Apostle baptized an important official from Ethiopia in Acts 8. But that chapter specifically mentions that the man's boss was Candace, a Sudanic title of queens. Likewise we are told "Cush" or "Kush" stands for today's Ethiopia. But the Bible mentions Taharqua specifically as coming to help his Hebrew allies in Jerusalem. Taharqua came from Nubia/Sudan not today's Ethiopia. What are we to make of claims of SOME of today's Ethiopians as to how they appear in the Biblical record? In fact the Biblical record points to the Sudan- and Kush more than anything. IN the Biblical record both "Kush" (meaning black) and "Mizraim" (meaning Egypt) are biological brothers, sons of Ham. We know from all our ES studies that the closest people to Egyptians are Nubians from the Sudan, confirming the Biblical narrative. So how could today's Ethiopia be Biblical Kush/Cush? The simple answer is folks usually confuse the Kushite Ethiopia with modern day Ethiopia which was formally Axum,given the fact that Axum was an early Christian nation and generally no one noticed that post Kush was also early Christian,but yes the primary Ethiopia known to the early Romans and Greeks were the Kush,folks have got to wrap their heads around the fact there were multiple civilizations and polities that sprang up along the Nile,also why I have a problem with the catch all "Nubia/Nubians" who are we talking about when we use those names. |
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2014 3:34:34 GMT -5
She was a Queen of Meroitc era Kush titled Kandakes it seemed after the move from Napata a line of Queens came into prominence,and these were not some shrinking violets either they lead their armies into battle,defeated the Roman armies. Kandakes: Shanakdakhete:late 2nd century BCE Amanirenas:late 1st century BCE Amanishakheto:late 1st century BCE Amanitore:early 1st century CE Amanikhatashan:1st century CE Furude Rika:midlate 1st century CE Nawidemak: early 1st century CE Maleqorobar:3rd century Lakhideaman:4th century These were Queens ruling in their own right not merely the consort of the King,actually the above had male consorts. Interesting. Where did you get this info? I looked up Furude rika and got an Anime character! I took the Queen's list from a wiki page linkHowever I can't find an alternate source for her hard as I tried,all the rest were accounted for perhaps it had to do with the spelling. |
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Post by nebsen on Aug 28, 2014 3:47:10 GMT -5
Was not Ethiopia of today, also called Abyssinia ? I find many seem to confuse Ethiopia of today with ancient Kush, which had different phrases of it's civilization doing it very long history. Also is not the root word Nub in Nubia, the word the ancients Egyptians used for gold & was popularized by the Romans thus we have Nubia ? I had heard that in the bible Moses was denied crossing over into Jordon because he broke a convent by marring an Ethiopian( Kushite) women.
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2014 5:18:09 GMT -5
Was not Ethiopia of today, also called Abyssinia ? I find many seem to confuse Ethiopia of today with ancient Kush, which had different phrases of it's civilization doing it very long history. Also is not the root word Nub in Nubia, the word the ancients Egyptians used for gold & was popularized by the Romans thus we have Nubia ? I had heard that in the bible Moses was denied crossing over into Jordon because he broke a convent by marring an Ethiopian( Kushite) women. Yes indeed but Kush could also be problematic because Kush like Ethiopia was found in Eurasia among dark or black skinned folks too just like Ethiopians take for instance Memnon is not only king of the African Ethiopians he was also King of the Asiatic Ethiopians according to Greek myths,Bro Altakruri also informed us that the Levant or at least apart of it was Ethiopia by the Greeks in connection with the legend of Andromeda. and that Kushite woman that gave Moses's inlaws such grief was more likely an Asiatic Ethiopian than from the Kingdom of Kush proper.if I remembered right he wasn't punished by god for marrying her as a matter of fact he inflicted leprosy on Mose's primary wife for objecting to the union. |
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Post by locdiva on Aug 28, 2014 15:02:44 GMT -5
On Ancient Black African Kingdoms (homestead/wysinger, use the website form)there is a host of info about Kerma, Nubia and Kush. It details Kush, kings and queens by name.
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Post by nebsen on Aug 28, 2014 16:03:39 GMT -5
 Was not Ethiopia of today, also called Abyssinia ? I find many seem to confuse Ethiopia of today with ancient Kush, which had different phrases of it's civilization doing it very long history. Also is not the root word Nub in Nubia, the word the ancients Egyptians used for gold & was popularized by the Romans thus we have Nubia ? I had heard that in the bible Moses was denied crossing over into Jordon because he broke a convent by marring an Ethiopian( Kushite) women. Yes indeed but Kush could also be problematic because Kush like Ethiopia was found in Eurasia among dark or black skinned folks too just like Ethiopians take for instance Memnon is not only king of the African Ethiopians he was also King of the Asiatic Ethiopians according to Greek myths,Bro Altakruri also informed us that the Levant or at least apart of it was Ethiopia by the Greeks in connection with the legend of Andromeda. and that Kushite woman that gave Moses's inlaws such grief was more likely an Asiatic Ethiopian than from the Kingdom of Kush proper.if I remembered right he wasn't punished by god for marrying her as a matter of fact he inflicted leprosy on Mose's primary wife for objecting to the union. I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly ? Are you speaking of the so called Hindu Kush ? A while back I asked about this name, but never really got an answer or explanation on ESR.The closes I can come to an answer I have a book tilted "Sudan Ancient Treasures", Edited by Derek A. Welsby & Julie R. Andreson 2004 "The earliest settlers in Nubia date back to at least 300,000 years ago." The Palaeolithic & Mesolithic by Elena A.A. Garcea; the transition from the lower to the middle Palaeolithic not only represents a technological & chronological shift between 300,000 by 200,000 years ago, but also documents the replacement of the last groups of Homo erectus by the earliest modern Homo sapiens" I have seen maps that show the migrations of the earliest Humans from the Sudan into Northern Africa Egypt, & into Asia . So I take this as the source for the name Hindu Kush. So if you have any other explanations I like to know them. You may be very correct about the story of Moses, for I read this many years ago. But remember that the ancient Egyptians by the time of Moses, if you buy into the biblical story, marriage between the two lands, Egypt & Kush- Nubia, were, very common, so Moses could have married a Kushite African women who was not of Asia. Even in the Ten Commandments movie of 1956, Moses introduces the King of Ethiopia- Kush( Woody Strood) & his wife or daughter( a very fine Black women)to the court, who makes somewhat unveiled remarks, & overtures, of her likes, & affection, for Moses, & this was remember 1956 ! |
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Post by anansi on Aug 28, 2014 21:47:23 GMT -5
Yes indeed but Kush could also be problematic because Kush like Ethiopia was found in Eurasia among dark or black skinned folks too just like Ethiopians take for instance Memnon is not only king of the African Ethiopians he was also King of the Asiatic Ethiopians according to Greek myths,Bro Altakruri also informed us that the Levant or at least apart of it was Ethiopia by the Greeks in connection with the legend of Andromeda. and that Kushite woman that gave Moses's inlaws such grief was more likely an Asiatic Ethiopian than from the Kingdom of Kush proper.if I remembered right he wasn't punished by god for marrying her as a matter of fact he inflicted leprosy on Mose's primary wife for objecting to the union. I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly ? Are you speaking of the so called Hindu Kush ? A while back I asked about this name, but never really got an answer or explanation on ESR.The closes I can come to an answer I have a book tilted "Sudan Ancient Treasures", Edited by Derek A. Welsby & Julie R. Andreson 2004 "The earliest settlers in Nubia date back to at least 300,000 years ago." The Palaeolithic & Mesolithic by Elena A.A. Garcea; the transition from the lower to the middle Palaeolithic not only represents a technological & chronological shift between 300,000 by 200,000 years ago, but also documents the replacement of the last groups of Homo erectus by the earliest modern Homo sapiens" I have seen maps that show the migrations of the earliest Humans from the Sudan into Northern Africa Egypt, & into Asia . So I take this as the source for the name Hindu Kush. So if you have any other explanations I like to know them. You may be very correct about the story of Moses, for I read this many years ago. But remember that the ancient Egyptians by the time of Moses, if you buy into the biblical story, marriage between the two lands, Egypt & Kush- Nubia, were, very common, so Moses could have married a Kushite African women who was not of Asia. Even in the Ten Commandments movie of 1956, Moses introduces the King of Ethiopia- Kush( Woody Strood) & his wife or daughter( a very fine Black women)to the court, who makes somewhat unveiled remarks, & overtures, of her likes, & affection, for Moses, & this was remember 1956 ! Well partially Hindu Kush played a part in the confusion,but some Sinai tribes were dark enough to be called Kushi a term now used in Israel as an anti-Black insult,for Black tribes still living there. books.google.co.jp/books?id=1MS9AiZ74MoC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Midianite+Kush&source=bl&ots=V24kSXUfh_&sig=qd-V-dCdyNlh2ZdI43melfgXt2g&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sOf_U6v4CMeeugS97YKIAg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Midianite%20Kush&f=false Pls Klik^ here go to pg 28 and scroll down interesting read,however Kush and Ethiopia are often times interchangeable within or out side Africa. |
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