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Post by anonymous on Apr 11, 2016 14:23:58 GMT -5
I posted this same exact information on the City-Data forum and they banned me for "trolling"! The truth hurts!
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Post by obsidian71 on Apr 11, 2016 18:02:15 GMT -5
I posted this same exact information on the City-Data forum and they banned me for "trolling"! The truth hurts! Seriously. When read this months ago my first thought was "very logical glad that Fitzwilliam is being honest about the subject". Certainly not something worth a ban-hammer for unless your goal is to prevent holistic discourse
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Post by anonymous on Apr 11, 2016 18:25:39 GMT -5
I posted this same exact information on the City-Data forum and they banned me for "trolling"! The truth hurts! Seriously. When read this months ago my first thought was "very logical glad that Fitzwilliam is being honest about the subject". Certainly not something worth a ban-hammer for unless your goal is to prevent holistic discourse I will not refer anybody to create an account on the City-Data forum! The people who run that site are very bias and have a white-supremacist agenda that they keep on the low. They want you to debate with them only if you're less intelligent than they are so they can boost their personal egos and claim everything is "afrocentric" when you actually give proof and legitimate sources to back up your claims. I had just made an account up there yesterday and I commented on a total of 3 or 4 topics including a thread that I made which was called "THE FITZWILLIAM MUSEUM". I didn't get into any debates with anyone on the site, I was just voicing my opinion on certain threads that was made, I literally only had about 3 or 4 posts. Then right after I made my own thread pertaining to the evidence inside the Fitzwilliam museum which was made from the same material as this thread they banned me from the site earlier this morning for "trolling"!
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Post by thamm1 on Apr 12, 2016 19:45:08 GMT -5
The comments on this video kinda prove that the Egyptians were Caucasian. We Wuz Kings: The Reality Plaguing Racist Black People In Denial Trying To Steal Egyptian History youtu.be/ePJAL4qvSwjo"any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depend on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study."..is total horse ish. Modern anthropological studies mean everything, because when you look at the african american wannabe egyptian negroids logic, its apprent that it's flawed. The same fucks that use the term lighskin and call obama black, are the same ones calling us sand , along with calling the ancient egyptians negros. I find it hilarious they dont look at black as a color, but a race, as if we egyptians who are clearly not black, arent african??? Like notice I dont use the terms white/black on my videos, it's because this doesnt make any sense at all. How can a golden brown egyptian person be black, where is the logic there. Us Egyptians are more native to north east africa, and africa as a whole then half the african population from the horn. There are studies, actually countless studies done on us egyptians comparing us and our ancestors using dental morphology, skeletal measurements, autosomal dna, the list goes on. They all prove that the ancient egyptians whom btw never left egypt, didn't change that much from how they were in ancient times. I mean One of the most common ways of assessing population relationships has been the comparative analysis of skull types.Such a study was carried out by the physical anthropologist C. Loring Brace and five co-researchers (Brace et al., 1993) who statistically analyzed a range of 24 cranial measurements from diverse world samples, including ancient Egyptians. The results of the analysis suggest that ancient Egyptian crania had elements in common with those from Southwest Asia and Neolithic Europe, as well as North and Northeast Africa. However, the Egyptian skulls showed very little similarity to African crania from the more distant south and west. The plot below shows, as accurately as is possible in two dimensions, the relationships between craniofacial configurations of the various regional samples. Joann Fletcher, a consultant to the Bioanthropology Foundation in the UK, in what she calls an "absolute, thorough study of all ancient Egyptian hair samples" — relied on various techniques, such as electron microscopy and chromatography to analyze hair samples (Parks, 2000). She discovered that most of the natural hair types and those used for hairpieces were made of what she calls "Caucasian-type" hair, including even instances of blonde and red hair. Fletcher surmises that some of the lighter hair types may have been influenced by the presence of ancient Libyans and Greeks in ancient Egypt. However, this type of hair was also found to be present in much earlier times. Scientists at the University of Cairo tested DNA from the remains of pyramid workers from 2600 BC, and found that the DNA of ancient Egyptians matches that of modern Egyptians. That is, the people living in Egypt now are essentially the same as the people living there thousands of years ago. The ABO blood type frequencies of ancient Egyptians showed no signs of differing significantly from that of present-day Egyptians. According to the authors, "the bloodgroup distribution obtained for Asiut, Gebelen and Aswan necropoles shows resemblances with the present leucoderm population of Egypt and particularly with its more 'conservative' fraction (the Copts, MOURANT et al., 1976)." NORTH AFRICAN CAUCASIANS HAVE BEEN IN NORTH AFRICA SINCE THE PALEOLITHIC "Caucasoids who arrived during the Paleolithic (Maca-Mayer;2003) thrived and remain there till this day,reflecting 40,000 years of uninterrupted continuity." (Sanchez- Quinto et al;2012). You hate the fact Egyptians were not Negroids ,making your fairy tales as you go along has failed your Afrocentric sites and you where your BS comes from DNA OF EGYPTIANS - The Y chromosome ,that come downs the father linage and biologically impossible to alter, makes it BIOLOGICALLY impossible for a modern Egyptian to be an invader,ARAB OR WHATEVER ELSE . Caucasian means people of north African,Asian,European descent. The ancient Caucasain Libyans and Egyptians called negriods ,troglodytes...cave dwellers The Steele of Phiale forbade any negroid from entering Egypt - The DNA of modern Egyptians makes it biologically impossible for them to be Arab or whatever invader- they have more African Y chrs than half of the black Ethiopian and Sudanese tribes. Therefore the ancient and modern Egyptians are the same determined by DNA - Scientists at the University of Cairo tested DNA from the remains of pyramid workers from 2600 BC, and found that the DNA of ancient Egyptians matches that of modern Egyptians. That is, the people living in Egypt now are essentially the same as the people living there thousands of years ago with little impact from foreign invaders PROFESSOR MOAMENA KAMEL (IMMUNOLOGIST, CAIRO UNIVERSITY) - "The Predynastic of Upper Egypt and the Late Dynastic of Lower Egypt are more closely related to each other than to any other population. As a whole, they show ties with the European Neolithic, North Africa, modern Europe, and, moreremotely, India, but not at all with sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Asia, Oceania, or the New World." (Brace; 1993) - Egyptians are a good indication of the biological makeup of their ancestors (the ancient Egyptians). On this point, various studies, including genome-wide analyses, have consistently shown modern Egyptians in general as being overwhelmingly of West Eurasian descent. That includes Upper Egyptians Omran et al. (2009) - We examined radiographs of 12 Egyptian royal mummies obtained by two of the authors (W.R. and J.E.H.) and never before published. ...These people were Caucasian." (” 1988 J.E. Harris, Braunstein, M.D. et al) - "The Predynastic of Upper Egypt and the Late Dynastic of Lower Egypt are more closely related to each other than to any other population. As a whole, they show ties with the European Neolithic, North Africa, modern Europe, and, more remotely, India, but not at all with sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Asia, Oceania, or the New World." (Brace; 1993) SUDAN PYRAMIDS The Pyramids are INFERIOR than the Egyptian ones The first of the Meroe Pyramids were copied about 950 years later the last Egyptian pyramids were completed INFERIOR PYRAMIDS BS LAID TO REST The Dogons LMFAO ha ha ha LOL these primitive tribal people are living in Mali today,untouched and still stuck in the stone age. Timbuktu the university was founded by Arabs ,all the scripts are in Arabic. There is no negroid alphabet invented until 1949,Nok Language. Negroids had to rely on Arabic,Greek,Latin and later on French and English,if their fragile brains could grasp to learn to read DENTAL A 2006 bio-archaeological study on the dental morphology of ancient Egyptians by Professor Joel Irish shows dental traits characteristic of current indigenous North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Eastern and southern European populations, but not at all to Sub-Saharan populations Your uneventful time has done you no favors on here.
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Post by zarahan on Apr 12, 2016 21:19:47 GMT -5
Thamm says: Negroids had to rely on Arabic,Greek,Latin and later on French and English,if their fragile brains could grasp to learn to read.Your racist ranting bout "negroids" has pretty much been debunked by modern data and up to date studies. Here's a detailed roundup destroying the same, for the record. Brace 93 Clines and clusters- showing allegedly white Egypt- DEBUNKED.Caucasoid Egyptian hair claims- - DEBUNKED.So-called "missing" blacks from ancient North Africa- DEBUNKED.The ABO blood type frequencies of ancient Egyptians & assorted white Egypt claims- DEBUNKED. "Missing" negro alphabets developed only in 1949- LOL- DEBUNKED. The Nubians had their own alphabet millennia earlier. 2006 dental study showing absence of Africans- DEBUNKED! ANd actually, the negroid Badarian as shown by Irish were quite representative of the ancient foundation population of Egypt. Whoops- There goes the laughable dental whitewash. DNA OF EGYPTIANS - The Y chromosome ,that come downs the father linage and biologically impossible to alter, makes it BIOLOGICALLY impossible for a modern Egyptian to be.. [/b]^^Laughable buffoon. If they have 'African Y- Chromosomes, then they are indigenous Africans, and the Y in question is Haplogroup E which originated in sub-Saharan negro Africa. As usual- DEBUNKED!Radiology of the royal mummies proving ancient Egyptians were white- DEBUNKED. Harris and Wente say otherwise with their detailed X-ray studies. Todays' Egyptians almost the same as the ancients- DEBUNKED. They are heavily admixed with Arabs, and others, which is why moderns cannot be considered identical to ancients. Shown by not just DNA, BUT ALSO skeletal and cranial data from credible scholars. The Steele of Phiale forbade any negroid from entering Egypt^^Hapless dolt, your attempt at a "racial" angle fails. The very same pharaohs who forbid Nubians to enter Egypt in that era, were themselves of Nubian background! "the XIIth Dynasty (1991-1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region.4 As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty- that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies." - (F. J. Yurco, 'Were the ancient Egyptians black or white?', Biblical Archaeology Review (Vol 15, no. 5, 1989) All your racist ranting about "inferior negroids" and "fragile brains" has been debunked in detail, and long ago, not only here. What else you got? You simply keep ignoring the evidence that renders such ranting simple rubbish. But of course there is one truth in your rant- your brain is indeed "fragile" and much too dumb to be let out on its own.
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Post by zarahan on Apr 13, 2016 17:15:09 GMT -5
Re assorted racist rants and claims, a few final loose ends wrapped up for the record and new readers.. As regards Eurocentric white Egypt claims based on Raxter - DEBUNKED. In fact, Raxter 2011 affirms the clustering of Egyptians with Africans. quote" "It can be noted that none of the Northeast African groups are significantly different from any other African groups (East African (EA), African Pygmy (AP), Khoe-San (KS)) (Table 27). 156 Therefore, West Africans of both sexes appear to possess the longest distal bones relative to the proximal for the upper limb. Ancient Egyptians and Nubians thus possess generally tropically adapted upper limb proportions, with their brachial indices grouping with the majority of other African groups."
"Ancient Egyptians and Nubians of both sexes are consistently significantly different in limb length proportions from Northern and Southern Europeans, with their brachial and crural indices grouping with the majority of other Africans." --Raxter Michele, 2011. Egyptian Body Size: A Regional and Worldwide Comparison by Raxter. Published Thesis, 2011. University of South Florida 2011. And body mass in the Nile Valley is linked not only with climate variants but with food production as well, debunking simplistic claims of "wandering Caucasoids." and Raxter et al 2008- As regards so-called "updated" 2015 data showing "white" or Caucasoid Egypt, or that moderns are almost the same as the ancients- DEBUNKED. Moderns are heavily admixed and cannot be considered the same as the ancient population- a fact borne out not only by DNA, but skeletal and cranial evidence as well. Here is "updated" data from 2015, showing the recent admixture. In short, much non-African ancestry in Egyptians traced to Islamic invasions and expansions"Using ADMIXTURE and principal-component analysis (PCA) (Figure 1A), we estimated the average proportion of non-African ancestry in the Egyptians to be 80% and dated the midpoint of the admixture event by using ALDER20 to around 750 years ago (Table S2), consistent with the Islamic expansion and dates reported previously. " -- Luca Pagani et al. 2015. Tracing the Route of Modern Humans out of Africa by Using 225 Human Genome Sequences from Ethiopians and Egyptians. e American Journal of Human Genetics. American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 96, Issue 6, p986–991, As regards the alleged white Gurna people- DEBUNKED. If anything they show definite African ancestral elements. As regards allegedly "excluded" negroids and M1 dna- DEBUNKED As regards E-M35 markers excluding "negroids" - DEBUNKED As regards Keita saying Ancient Egyptians are the same genetically speaking as moderns- DEBUNKED.The Raving racist says: Here is a well renowned black professor with an expertise in genetics in ancient Egypt he essentially states that modern Egyptians are the same as their ancient counterparts genetically speaking. * "The basic overall genetic profile of the modern population is consistent with the diversity of ancient populations that would have been indigenous to northeastern Africa and subject to the range of evolutionary influences over time" ----------------------- ^^The raving racist pulls a quote from an article Keita wrote for National Geographic but PREDICTABLY AND CONVENIENTLY, it leaves out the rest of what Keita said, which affirms the indigenous African nature of the ancient Egyptians particularly the foundational early populations. It is wholly bogus to say that Keita considers the moderns the same as ancients. The "supporting" Keita quote actually debunks the claim- for it is clear Keita notes that the ancients were diverse and is merely saying that the moderns are also. Who "denies" this? Everyone knows that the coming of Hyskos in the New Kingdom and Greeks, Romans, Assyrians, and finally Arabs added "diversity" to Egypt. That is not and never was at issue. CA Diop never "denied" such elementary matters. But the 'diversity' ALSO includes so-called "negroid" elements- who under Eurocentric doctrine are supposed to be "missing" from Egypt until very late in the game.In reality, they were there from Day 1. Here is the conveniently missing text from Keita's National Geographic blurb. He notes that the weight of evidence points to a dominant African population profile- as proved by skeletal, dental, cranial and DNA evidence, and that LATER elements to Egypt from the Near East and Europe would join this African foundation. QUOTE: Overall, these studies can be interpreted as suggesting that the Egyptian Nile Valley's indigenous population had a craniofacial pattern that evolved and emerged in northeastern Africa, whose geography in relationship to climate largely explains the variation. Dental affinity studies generally agree with the craniofacial results, though they differ in the details. The body proportions of ancient Egyptians generally are similar to those of tropical (more southern) Africans.. Very little DNA has been retrieved from ancient Egyptian remains, and there are not many studies on the modern population. However, the results of analyses of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and the Y chromosome in the living Egyptian population show the existence of very old African lineages that are consistent with the fossil remains and of younger lineages of more recent evolution, along with evidence of the assimilation of later migrants from the Near East and Europe.." --SOY Keita. Ancient Egyptian Origins- Human Biology. 2008. National Geographic -------------------------------------- ^^Curious how the distorter forgets to include the above in the alleged "supporting" Keita reference.. As regards claims that North Africans (with the allegedly "missing negroids" are the "progenitors" of white people- DEBUNKED.^^Pure non-negroid "progenitors" of white people... And so it goes...
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 10:06:28 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 10:10:31 GMT -5
The comments on this video kinda prove that the Egyptians were Caucasian. "any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depend on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study."..is total horse ish. Too funny, --Thoma A., Morphology and affinities of the Nazlet Khater man, Journal of Human Evolution, vol 13, 1984. --Erik Trinkau European early modern humans and the fate of the Neandertals (2007) --F X Ricaut · M Waelkens Article: Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements Human Biology 11/2008; 80(5):535-64. DOI:10.3378/1534-6617-80.5.535 · 1.52 Impact Factor
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 10:12:43 GMT -5
The comments on this video kinda prove that the Egyptians were Caucasian. We Wuz Kings: The Reality Plaguing Racist Black People In Denial Trying To Steal Egyptian History youtu.be/ePJAL4qvSjo Hum,... --Kathryn A. Bard (STEPHEN E. THOMPSON Egyptians, physical anthropology of Physical anthropology) www.academia.edu/1924147/Kathryn_A._Bard_The_Encyclopedia_of_of_the_Archaeology_of_Ancient_Egypt --Sonia R. Zakrzewski. (2007). Population Continuity or Population Change: Formation of the Ancient Egyptian State. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 132:501-509) onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20569/abstract --Robert Morkot (2005). The Egyptians: An Introduction. pp. 12-13 --Michael Brass Reconsidering the emergence of social complexity in early Saharan pastoral societies, 5000 – 2500 B.C. -- AP Starling, JT Stock. (2007). --Anselin (2009)
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 10:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 10:30:13 GMT -5
The ancient Caucasain Libyans and Egyptians called negriods ,troglodytes...cave dwellers The Steele of Phiale forbade any negroid from entering Egypt What a bunch of hogwash. Here clown more! Relief block with the heads of three Libyans www.metmuseum.org/collections/search-the-collections/100007165 Ancient Libyans: The Uan Muhuggia Mummy Sourced by: Time Magazine. content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,865145,00.html --Nick Brooks (2013): Beyond collapse: climate change and causality during the Middle Holocene Climatic Transition, 6400–5000 years before present, Geografisk Tidsskrift-Danish Journal of Geography, 112:2, 93-104
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 10:38:02 GMT -5
The DNA of modern Egyptians makes it biologically impossible for them to be Arab or whatever invader- they have more African Y chrs than half of the black Ethiopian and Sudanese tribes. Therefore the ancient and modern Egyptians are the same determined by DNA - Scientists at the University of Cairo tested DNA from the remains of pyramid workers from 2600 BC, and found that the DNA of ancient Egyptians matches that of modern Egyptians. SMH Comparisons of linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range. --A. Stevanovitch1,*, A. Gilles2, E. Bouzaid1, R. Kefi1, F. Paris3, R. P. Gayraud4, J. L. Spadoni1, F. El-Chenawi5 andE. Béraud-Colomb1,* Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Diversity in a Sedentary Population from Egypt onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1529-8817.2003.00057.x/abstract;jsessionid=1247DDF04906013DCDA56F767C3E7997.f01t02 --Erwan Pennarun, Toomas Kivisild et al.
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 12:19:36 GMT -5
The comments on this video kinda prove that the Egyptians were Caucasian. We Wuz Kings: The Reality Plaguing Racist Black People In Denial Trying To Steal Egyptian HistoryTimbuktu the university was founded by Arabs ,all the scripts are in Arabic. There is no negroid alphabet invented until 1949,Nok Language. Negroids had to rely on Arabic,Greek,Latin and later on French and English,if their fragile brains could grasp to learn to read DENTAL A 2006 bio-archaeological study on the dental morphology of ancient Egyptians by Professor Joel Irish shows dental traits characteristic of current indigenous North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Eastern and southern European populations, but not at all to Sub-Saharan populations Your uneventful time has done you no favors on here. LOL This one is straight from the sewer. SMH Timbuktu was found by NATIVE AFRICAN PEOPLE! Before Timbuktu there was Djenne Djenno you loon!!! The Arab calligraphy was used because of islamization, but the scripture as we see was written down in native language, by native people. You are as bright as a box of rocks. Other places i.e. in Asia also used the Arab calligraphy because of islamization, dumb hog. anthropology.rice.edu/Content.aspx?id=500whc.unesco.org/en/list/116#Overview
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 14:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Gebor on Apr 18, 2016 14:38:50 GMT -5
I posted this same exact information on the City-Data forum and they banned me for "trolling"! The truth hurts! I posted the same on some of these forums, as I was banned too. Eurocentrics/ right-wings have the tendency to ban people when it isn't in accordance with their agenda. And when they can't ban you, they start cursing racist slurs. It's not just with this subject, it's with all subjects. They claim freedom of speech etc... but not for others. Others must be shutdown etc....
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