Zaharan...If the argument is that a dispersal of black Africans, and particularly "Niger-Congo" and Nilo Saharan speakers from the Sudan/"aEthiopian"/Nubia following an initial southward move under a "refugee" status from Kemet, then what in the Hell does the wet period of the Sahara 8-9k years prior have to do with this argument? These Africans in Northeastern Africa are the result of that drying phase thousands upon thousands of years prior to that point (around 500 BC). Again what you consider "credible"/sacred is built almost entirely on contemporary Western sources, while you discard African oral traditions. You sound like those whites on the pseudo science anthro forums who essentially gain an identity strictly through genetic affirmation. C.A. Diop has noted that the strongest evidence of the migration of the Kemetyu is in the daily lives and cultures of the Africans who now reside south of the Sahara. In any case, the migration from Kemet into Nubia around the 6th century BC is an event that was recorded not only through African oral tradition, but also through Greek written records;
Travels in Ethiopia, Above the Second Cataract of the Nile: Exhibiting the State of that Country, and Its Various Inhabitants, Under the Dominion of Mohammed Ali; and Illustrating the Antiquities, Arts, and History of the Ancient Kingdom of Meroe
So we have written records of ancient Greek scholars noting that a quarter million Kemetyu soldiers migrated into "Ethiopia" around the 6th century BC, as a result of political strife. The indigenous populace, which was stationed in the south was discontent with preferable treatment that the Greek mercenaries were given under Psamtik II. We know that these soldiers were not all single men, and likely had families, which could easily triple (or more) the actual number of those who migrated into Nubia/"aEthiopian".
From the genetic side of the game, we do not aDNA from Nubia at this period. We do however have some Cushitic speaking populations who formed the African federation of Kemet such as the Somalis and Oromo. Why do I proclaim that the Oromo were apart of the ancient Kemetyu populace? Because their name (like several noted Niger-Congo speaking groups) has literal translative meaning in Medu Neter;
"Oromo
Oromo is derived from 'orma' - person to 'oromo' - people in the Oromo language
Orma ; Oromo - the name of a god "
The Oromo and Somalis (who also have strong cultural affinity to the ancient civilizaitons) carry V-32, which is a subclade that formulated in southern Kemet following the initial northward migration of the parent M-35 into Kemet much earlier. This subclade, which originated in Kemet migrated south into the Horn and Kenya.
The groups with the
largest share are the Oromo, Somalis, and Borana. With regard to Niger-Congo and Nilo Saharan speaking populations, they did not settle permanently in the Horn and Northeastern Africa (except for South Sudan and pockets of the Sudan with regard to the Nilo Saharans) in general like the Cushitic speaking populations. Niger-Congo speakers In summary of this section,
YES we do have strong evidence of a mass migration from Kemet into Meroe/"aEthiopia" during the 6th century BC via genetics.
To add more credibility to these ancient Greek historical notations, a recent discovery of a Kemetic boat matches the description that Herodotus laid out of it perfectly. Prior to this discovery it was for the most part disregarded by some scholars as hearsay.
No Zaharan......you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
I fully comprehend the evidence of the drying phase of the ancient Sahara, as evident by the entire section in my thread devoted to the effects that the desertification had on migratory patterns from the region. I never said that the drying phase(S) of the Sahara began or ended during that time, but instead thousands upon thousands of years prior.
Zaharan your reading comprehension skills are dull. No one is confused about this, but you! When I referenced the 8-9k period I was referencing the wet phase of the Sahara.
YOU brought up the relevance of that time period with regard to the commonalities shared between the contemporary populations of Western Africa and Hapi Valley civilization. I pointed out that this was irrelevant, since the cultural overlaps are directly with
Dynastic civilization.
Dynastic civilization was a result of those various Africans migrating from the drying Sahara during multiple phases onto the Hapi, and in particularly Nubia. What evidence do we have of
Dynastic civilization being present in the ancient Sahara thus far? That being said, the cultural overlapping shown between various "Sub Saharan" Africans and
Dynastic Hapi Valley civilization had little to nothing directly to do with the migratory affects of the drying Sahara phases thousands upon thousands of years prior. What evidence do we have the Ausarian traditions which are observed in both the Northeastern Africa and West Africa being practiced in the ancient Sahara? What evidence do we have of the ankh in the ancient Sahara as it is seen in Western Africa and Northeastern Africa?
Zaharan, my
evidence is far from thin. You simply do not know how to think for yourself.
Firstly I never stated that the migration from Kemet into Nubia/"aEthiopia" occurred during 500
AD, and that is yet another testament to your horrendous reading comprehension skills. The source presented of the origin story of the Akan people (Dahomey Kingdom) stated that after the demise of the Nubian kingdom at the hands of the Semitic Axumite empire around
500 AD then there was a migration of their group into their contemporary West African location. Go
BACK,
SLOW DOWN and
READ what the exert actually stated Zaharan.
Now as far as Kemet's population change,
Britannica notes that the population of Kemet was around 1-1.5 million people until around the Late Period. It was particularly around the Greco-Roman era that a huge population boom occurred, and this was concentrated obviously in the Delta.
"Until the 1st millennium BCE, Egypt was not urbanized to the same extent as Mesopotamia. Instead, a few centres, notably Memphis and Thebes, attracted population and particularly the elite, while the rest of the people were relatively evenly spread over the land. The size of the population has been estimated as having risen from 1 to 1.5 million in the 3rd millennium BCE to perhaps twice that number in the late 2nd millennium and 1st millennium BCE. (Much higher levels of population were reached in Greco-Roman times.)"
Going by Herodotus, with a population of at least a
quarter million soldiers their wife (or wives) and children migrating into "Ethiopia" that's easily over a million people leaving Kemet. We know that most of the disgruntled populace of Kemet, prior to the Late Period was stationed in the African south. Was there a demographic shift in Kemet during this late period time? Let's look at the osteological evidence;
Nutter (1958) noted affinities between the Badarian and Naqada samples, a feature that Strouhal (1971) attributed to their skulls possessing “Negroid” traits. Keita (1992), using craniometrics, discovered that the Badarian series is distinctly different from the later Egyptian series, a conclusion that is mostly confirmed here. In the current analysis, the Badari sample more closely clusters with the Naqada sample and the Kerma sample. However, it also groups with the later pooled sample from Dynasties XVIII–XXV. -- Godde K. (2009) An Examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances: Support for biological diffusion or in situ development? Homo. 2009;60(5):389-404." andPrevious analyses of cranial variation found the Badari and Early Predynastic Egyptians to be more similar to other African groups than to Mediterranean or European populations (Keita, 1990; Zakrzewski, 2002). In addition, the Badarians have been described as near the centroid of cranial and dental variation among Predynastic and Dynastic populations studied (Irish, 2006; Zakrzewski, 2007). This suggests that, at least through the Early Dynastic period, the inhabitants of the Nile valley were a continuous population of local origin, and no major migration or replacement events occurred during this time.
Studies of cranial morphology also support the use of a Nubian (Kerma) population for a comparison of the Dynastic period, as this group is likely to be more closely genetically related to the early Nile valley inhabitants than would be the Late Dynastic Egyptians, who likely experienced significant mixing with other Mediterranean populations (Zakrzewski, 2002). A craniometric study found the Naqada and Kerma populations to be morphologically similar (Keita, 1990). Given these and other prior studies suggesting continuity (Berry et al., 1967; Berry and Berry, 1972), and the lack of archaeological evidence of major migration or population replacement during the Neolithic transition in the Nile valley, we may cautiously interpret the dental health changes over time as primarily due to ecological, subsistence, and demographic changes experienced throughout the Nile valley region."
-- AP Starling, JT Stock. (2007). Dental Indicators of Health and Stress in Early Egyptian and Nubian Agriculturalists: A Difficult Transition and Gradual Recovery. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 134:520–528Of course there was a huge demographic shift correlating with this noted population exodus of the Africoid populace from southern Kemet. We have a population that was once centered in the southern region of Kemet, and were Africans to a miscegenated population centered in the north. Interesting part to note is that the Late Dynastic "Egyptians" did not mix in with the Greeks to gain their miscegenated features. The Aegean region from which they came was already mixed race. The mixed race looking Greco Roman Fayum portraits, represented your typical Greeks and Romans.
You created a counter argument based entirely on your horrible reading comprehension skills Zaharan. Slow down or sit down homie...
True! His only real flaw was the claim that the population of Northern Kemet were "whites". C.A. Diop's most famous work "African Origins of Civilization" from 1974 came in, and corrected that notion, by pointing out that the populous of northern Kemet was more than likely Dravidians who now live in India. I happen to agree with the latter moreso in that regard. In the "Book of the Beginnings" by Gerald Masey, details that the real issue was not necessary the Tamahu, but the Set worshiping cult referred to as the "Sut-Typhonians". The wars with Nubia came about due to many of the states in Nubia being Set Worshippers (hence Ta -
SETI).The Hyskok (a mixed race bunch) as pointed out by Dr Clyde Winters were referred to as the same name that the Kushites were given early in Dynastic Kemet, and also worshiped Set. For a non Hapi Valley nation to come in with a cult worshiping a Hapi Valley deity, could only mean that they had a history in the Hapi Valley. Perhaps Narmer's Set worshiping foes who were exiled during the initial unification. The Tamahu were regarded as the "people of set" or Devils, and were banned from Kemet until the Late period. Ancient Greeks themselves note that red headed whites were set on fire as a sacrifice the instant they were found in Kemet.
What my intent is with my thread, is to validate that information with modern research. I can say that I am successfully doing so!
You keep trying to shame, the fact that the civilization was overwhelmed by a non black force. That is simply what happened Zaharan. It is what it is. You do understand that this is also noted in Nilo-Saharan oral traditions;
According to their own accounts, the Kalenjin believe that their ancestors aboriginal home was here in Kenya at a place called Tororo Hills in Eastern Uganda. From here they migrated to Misiri or Egypt, where they stayed for thousands of years, and then migrated back again to Kenya. Some remained in Egypt. Others are in Ethiopia, Sudan, Eritrea and many other places around the world. However not all Old Egyptians (Kalenjin) left for Egypt. The Ogiek or Dorobo who speak Kalenjin do not recall having migrated from elsewhere. They say that they have been living in Kenya since time immemorial.
In 2001, I interviewed some oldmen as to why they left Egypt. They told me that they left Egypt after being attacked by a mysterious people called Kipyayamungeen. They said these people were white. (The term, "white", is a relative term, which means lighter skin color.) They say this was during the reign of Pharaoh Kipcheum. According to Dr Sambu, about 250,000 warriors left Egypt for East Africa as a result of this invasion. This event coincides with the first Persian invasion of Egypt, which occurred about 525 BCE.
The original website has since been gone, but I did frequent it when this was first beginning to formulate my thread.
None the less if these Africans avidly admit this to be the case then why are you trying to hard to say no to it? You have Nilo-Saharan speaking correlating the exact same migratory patterns, same dates, for the exact same reasons Zaharan. Yet you're trying to guard against this with some egotistical "we didn't lose to no white people" bullshit. You sound like a clown using that as a line of reasoning to disregard the migration from Kemet.
Zaharan, no one is claiming to have went out and done all of the field work. The most vehement Afrocentrics have always referenced the field work and findings of various white scholars, but have always taken their information and narrative with a grain of salt. C.A. Diop while he did conduct his own test (melanin dosage), most of "The African Origins of Civilization" is based on the research from the field work of white scholars. He is considered the father of mother Afrocentrism. This is where you show your inability to
think Zaharan. No one has ever claimed that all whites are liars, but given the fact that the premiere Western institutions at one time came together to formulate and propagate a lie in the name of white supremacy....
YOU'D HAVE TO BE A FOOL to take everything that they say at face value.
XYZman certainly understands, and applies that to his contributions every week.
Zaharan quit making talking out of your ass...if I did not understand that fact then I would have never felt the need to create this
thread. Now while the basic concepts of both books are foundational truths, new research has come out to either support or upset those old theories. I have presented much evidence that supports those older theories, and case and point the findings of the Twa populations that dominated parts of Western-Central Africa that was noted by C.A. Diop back in the 70's (which you imply
by virtue of age has been refuted). Today these white geneticist are trying to act like they didn't know that the long known (obviously as noted by C.A. Diop) obviously short statured skeletal remains were that of a Twa people not related to contemporary Niger-Congo speakers who dominate the region. They are trying to act like these "new"
genetic test were the only way to verify or disprove what C.A. Diop.
Zaharan for one the Ashanti are an Akan sub group. The Akan have already been addressed in this discussion... None the less you are talking about the Ashanti who sport the Kemetic Ankh.. The same Ashanti who Europeans were acknowledging as having came from Kemet even half way into the 20th century?
You knew this though Zaharan! You knew that you could easily find arguments of them coming from Kemet, but you deliberately search for something contrarian. You ignore the arguments of them coming from Kemet (which your link is ironically in French), which would string all of these neighboring Niger-Congo speaking populations into one common place of origin. You look for something different while you are aware of yet ignore the glaring commonalities.
With the Ashanti being a sub group of the Akan, and the Akan's oral tradition has already been provided to you, you have confirmation of the "Nubia model";
"Oral traditions of the ruling Abrade (Aduana) Clan state that Akans originated from ancient Ghana. The Akan people migrated from the north through Egypt and settled in Nubia (Sudan). Around 500 AD (5th century), due to the pressure exerted on Nubia by the Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia, Nubia was scattered and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms. These kingdoms grew and around 750 AD the Ghana Empire was formed. The Empire lasted from 750 AD to 1200 AD and collapsed as a result of the introduction of Islam in Western Sudan, due to the zeal of the Muslims to impose their religion, their ancestors eventually left for Kong (i.e. present-day Ivory Coast). From Kong, they moved to Wam and then to Dormaa (both located in present-day Brong-Ahafo region). The movement from Kong was necessitated by the desire of the people to find suitable savannah conditions since they were not used to forest life. Around the 14th century, they moved from Dormaa South Eastwards to Twifo-Heman North West Cape Coast. This move was commercially motivated."
Here are more sources supporting what has been written about the Akan's Hapi Valley Origins.
unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000042627
Is this not correlating to the migratory pattern of the Fon-Dahomey
"Situated in western Africa, the Fon kingdom of Dahomey (or Abomey in its earliest years) was formed by a mixture of various local ethnic groups on the Abomey plain. The tribal groups, possibly forced to move due to the slave trade, coalesced around a highly centralised, strict military culture which was aimed at securing and eventually expanding the borders of the small kingdom. It also practised human sacrifice in large numbers and traded captives to the slave traders who prospered along its coastline, which was part of the notorious Slave Coast.
The kingdom covered the southern third of the modern republic of Benin, and it bore its name until 1975, when it was neutrally renamed the republic of Benin to appease the large number of ethnic groups which formed part of the relatively new state. Dahomey bore no relation to the Benin empire. It was the kingdom of the Fon people, one of the groups which formed the modern Benin state.
When the Nubians conquered Meroë at the start of the sixth century BC, some of the Meroë fled west and ended up establishing themselves in what is now Nigeria and Benin. This is known because the priesthood in these countries uses technical words which are Semitic. One of these is 'Al' as a prefix, used in the names of their spirits (angels). The word also lent itself to the name of the medieval state of Alodia. (Additional information by Edward Dawson.)" Now let's compare that with the "Nubia model"
personal library and his own direct knowledge of the Ashantis, wrote An Essay on the
Superstitions, Customs, and Arts, Common to the Ancient Egyptians, Abyssinians, and Ashantees, in
which he argued that Egyptian civilization was diffused via Ethiopia **to the West Coast
of Africa.**
While it does show that not all Niger-Congo speakers were unified, it does correlate in events. The migration of the Kemetic refugees brought them to set up shop in Meroe, which brought about a conflict with the pre-existing populations of the region resulting in a migration from Meroe for the pre-existing population. Then Mereo was conquered by the Semitic Axumite empire about a thousand years later. As Dr. Chancellor Williams wrote in his book the distrust for one another make these migrations and settlements extremely difficult in the coming millenniums, which made it easy for Arabs and later Europeans to pick at and enslave the smaller unified groups.
There is no conflict in the stories here Zaharan. You must stop trying to rush to nay saying, take your time and read slowly. Chad is along the Sahel belt, which was a main corridor of migrations from Nubia into West Africa. The exert above makes it clear that trading post;
"Nubia was scattered and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms"
Where is the conflict Zaharan?
Does that worry you? What evidence do they have of this migration of Hamitic Africans into Western Africa? That is something that is easily flicked off.
How does it not? If aDNA from Northeastern Africa is ripe with E1b1a affinities, and those same E1b1a affinities are almost completely absent today, while being abundant in a place that recent aDNA proves was absent of during antiquity? What is a better explanation than a mass migration(s) Zaharan? You tell it. The Bantu migration from Cameroon has essentially been debunked, so these researchers are going to have to start from scratch. What do you think will be the basis of their new argument?
Your own sources confirm that Meroe did not rise until the 6th century BC Zaharan;
"Kush conquered Egypt in the 8th century B.C., and ruled it for several decades. The Kushitic civilization flourished following the rise to ascendancy of Meroe as the capital city, starting in the 6th century B.C. The sophistication of Kush was reflected in its impressive stone architecture, irrigation systems, a large iron industry, its own script, and a well developed sense of nationhood. The first great empire of Africa south of the Sahara experienced its greatest development during the final three centuries B.C. Its collapse about A.D. 300 seems to have been precipitated by the decline of its agricultural base wing to soil exhaustation, and of its iron industry owing to the overexploitation of forests for charcoal."
--Robert Stock (2012). Africa South of the Sahara, Third Edition: A Geographical Interpretation. 171
There's that 6th century BC date again Zaharan. The same date given by the Kalejin, CA Diop and C. Williams for the reasons noted in the articles posted earlier. "Indigenous evolution"...sit down Zaharan. There was a migration of Kemites further into south who enhanced the Nubian civilization, and put it at the forefront of Africa for close to millennium.
While the northern part of Kemet was sparsely populated early on in comparison to the southern regions, there still were pockets of Africans residing their. The Canaanite populations has steadily been encroaching on the region from the east, and as time went on to claimed sovereignty over northern Kemet. Those indigenous Kemetyu populations who lived there were subjected to horrendous rule at the hands of these Set worshiping Semitic-Nubians. Most of the Kemetyu who lived in the south were fine with the rule of the Hyksos in the north. Kamose and his sons were the ones who had to say Hell no, and push to unify the Africans to drive them out of the land after a century of their rule. Who was in the north therefore to protect the few Kemetyu who were stationed there? NOBODY. A migration from the region (and possibly the original non Semitic Africans of the neighboring Levant) was therefore necessary to escape persecution from a foreign force that no one reckoned with for close to a century. The Hyskos first showed up around the 18th century BC,
which ironically correlates with the earliest Olmec formulative period.
"Immigration by Canaanite populations preceded the Hyksos. Canaanites first appeared in Egypt at the end of the 12th Dynasty c. 1800 BC or c. 1720 BC and established an independent realm in the eastern Nile Delta"
"After the spread of maize agriculture in the Early Formative period
(ca. 1800–1200 B.C.), people in the river valleys of Olman cooperated to construct monumental earthen platforms and mounds at the site of San Lorenzo, Veracruz."
The undeniable African influence on the Olmec civilization has already been laid out by Ivan Van Sertima, Ronuku Rishidi, and Anthony Browder to name a few. The Nok empire's foundation was laid out during the same era 16th century BC. Again the overlapping cultural commonalities between these two civilizations with that of the Hapi Valley, correlating with a turbulent time in Hapi Valley history points to migrations from Kemet.
The same millet's also spread into India at the same time as well. Eurocentrics tend to not attribute any out of Africa migrations to the spreading of this grain or anything really.
The quote notes a spreading from the Western - Central Saharan region. We know that the people in that region who dominated were the
Mande, and this was around the same time of Dhar Tichitt's ascendancy. Unless you're going to argue that the Nok empire was Mande then you really don't have a point here. The Mande as Dr. Winters has vehemently pointed out have connections from the region listed in the quote all the way into South and Eastern Asia. That includes India. We have DNA evidence of the Mande presence in Neolithic- Bronze age South Asia;
"We document a southward spread of genetic ancestry from the Eurasian Steppe, correlating with the archaeologically known expansion of pastoralist sites from the Steppe to Turan in the Middle Bronze Age (2300-1500 BCE)."
www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/292581v1XYman and Tukler doing their own independent investigations into the findings of that study have confirmed back on the
old Egyptsearch that there is a undeniable genetic correlation between the Mande and the Indus Valley. Perhaps if necessary XYman can reprint the data since the photo link of the program is no longer available.
We see that the Nok empire stretched into the modern border of Niger, which is also in the central Sahara. So the utilization of that crop, should be of no major surprise.
Yeah you can go sit down on that one too.
You are so obtuse that you are denying the undeniable. Royalty depicted with the
AUSARIAN Crock and Flail according to you has nothing to do with the ancient Nubian-Kemetic tradition of Ausar? Yeah the African civilization that suddenly sprang up during a turmoilous period in Kemet showing traditional insignia of the latter are completely unrelated. Just like this isn't;
Go sit down Zaharan!
Zaharan... When I first created my thread when it was still in prototype form, someone prominent over on Egyptsearch created an entire thread with a link to my own discussing how plausible this argument sounded. I was not even registered on old Egyptsearch at that time. Secondly I have been lurking in the shadows of the forum since 2006-2007 with direct invitation from prominent old Egyptsearch member Mansa Musa, which was a little bit before you started spamming in place of an argument over there. You talk about me, sir many were convinced that you were nothing more than a spam bot. Before you started to create your "database" threads you would spam the Hell out of a thread with menaingful thoughts and discussions without contributing a cent a insight into the discussion at hand. You would post half a page of repetitive most of the time irrelevant bullshit, because you seemed to be incapable of formulating an actual argument.
Zaharan the only blunders in this discussion or any of the others have been made by yourself, as I've pointed out above.
A citation from a white institution is the only thing that is not "weak" to you. You have a clear lack of abstract thought process that prevents from seeing the road that is covered by fallen leaves. You someone walking on what you perceive as an invisible road, and you keep expecting them to fall through a fall. No one has fallen Zaharan. You on the other hand are following the road that Eurocentrics made for you that lead to
nowhere.
No Zaharan....If they have not already deleted that thread on Anthroscape from when you ass got banned then I can provide the link when I get home. You didn't come into that forum with anything resembling and argument. You came into that forum with the intention to do nothing more than spam sexually explicit graphics with
irrelevant quotes in place of formulating an actual argument. They had every right to ban you ass. You made a fool out of yourself over there. Beyoku or "Four" on that site did a somewhat better job than he did on the others, because they were outright racist who he could not get into the good graces with. He was the rogue Afrocentric. You on the other hand were a clown.
Now yes, Zaharan I have thanked you for the time that you have spent
quote mining. It's not everyone's job on the team to do that dirty work, but you do a fantastic job at it. You're not very good at thinking outside of those quotes, but you sure know how to mine them. I have given you thanks and props throughout my thread for making it easy for me to not have to search through google for those quotes, especially since Myra's old site is no longer available. That was my original go to, especially the link to all of Keita's studies up until that point.
No, I claim victory through the normally cocky and eager opposition's silence to my argument. The guy on Historum named Chachibatches used to love debating me when I used to rely too much on
your quotes in the late 2000's/ pre dnatribes 2010's. We would go blow for blow spamming quotes, which yours essentially served to elevate Hamitic-Cushitic Africans. He would strike back with false implications of those populations being fixed, or simply the obvious differentiation between them and us. I knew that I had to go another route. Sine I've made my arguments around Niger-Congo speakers, oh that boy rushes to get me banned everytime I create a new account. He is petrified of me, and says my name like Candyman. This same guy rushes to antagonize the coons who argue like you however.
Not to mention to see that my opposition has to resort to banning and approving my post is a clear sign that I'm on the right track. I'm a danger to their ideology, and that is something that I am proud of.
I have provided links of Beyoku "and the boys" (Hamitic wannabees, misceginated Hispanics who don't know if they want to be black this day or not, and white swirlers who support watered down Afrocentrism) cooning it up. I have
no desire to be in their good graces.
You have provided absolutely no evidence of that.
Zaharan...why tf are you using that exert from the article when in my first
reply to you I told your lying ass that the bolded words in the exert were the main contention of my argument. I specifically reiterated that you in my reply, and you now try to resort to the same silly ass argument. How desperate can you be? Go sit tf down forever.
Zaharan yes the Hell he did! He clowned the shit out of you, and felt so good seeing that I was not the only one disgusted with your worthless quote spamming or quote bombing in every single Egyptsearch thread. If I need to I can go do a search of the old forum and provide receipts of the all of the threads where you've done that ridiculous shit. It was the most irrelevant act of the forum, but you felt that knowing your quotes would "save" us in these debates. Some were valuable in
some cases, but 90% of the time that shit was irrelevant.
Ok.... did you not see where XYZ came into this discussion
giving me props in
my rebuttal to your naysaying nonsense? Y'all are cool, so he's not gonna call you out. You are however on some scary BS. Plain and simple. Stick to quote mining man. Do your job. I commend you for it. It's a valuable tool to these debates.