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Post by kel on Jun 1, 2020 16:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by kel on Mar 28, 2020 14:58:54 GMT -5
U r indeed correct.
VMAT run amok !!!!
Any forthcoming cures perhaps ?
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Post by kel on Mar 20, 2020 15:25:33 GMT -5
hahahhahaha
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Post by kel on Mar 13, 2020 22:47:33 GMT -5
If there is a deception, Pulling it off would be relatively easy right ? Just lie, omit, obsfuscate.
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Post by kel on Mar 10, 2020 14:52:46 GMT -5
"This present day snapshot of Uniparentals can support an African settlement. The people being migrants from somewhere between the Senegal and Ebro rivers. That's the old al-Murabitun territory. Add trading associated Euros. Can't ignore a smattering of Original Americans." Yes. Moors ?
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Post by kel on Mar 8, 2020 20:35:41 GMT -5
"The Vast majority of Lumbee are R V88. The Majority female are mtDNA H."
Fine.
But what is the historical narrative that would explain that ?
Ancient Africans in America way way pre Colombian. Then new comers arrive 'H'. The Women are taken ....their male counterparts killed.... absorbed ..?
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Post by kel on Mar 8, 2020 13:02:51 GMT -5
Slaves? Good question and the typical response.
But this is not what the author is suggesting. This is not the spin. The spin? These were "Jews". Sephardic Jew. They are attributing the R-V88 to Sephardic Jews. Really? R-V88 has highest frequency in West Africa.
2nd point. R-V88 is very ancient. The author dates the arrival of R-V88 in the 1500's......based upon "documented" material not aDNA. Interestingly, the R-V88, is NOT found in the general AFRAM populace.
The author has assigned an African gene to Sephardic Jews.]
Ok. So the 'slave' argument is out.
So what is the story ? These R-V88 were already in place in that area and then joined by later group in the 1500s....??
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Post by kel on Mar 7, 2020 0:29:33 GMT -5
If the majority of males carry V88, are these recent arrivals from areas in Africa who carried V88 or more ancient presence ??
Devils advocate: arent these 'slaves'/captives' ??
Lumbees are known to be a racially mixed group. 'In the first federal census of 1790, the ancestors of the Lumbee were enumerated as Free Persons of Color, another term used for a wide variety of non-White people including, non-reservation American Indians, mixed race of American Indian/European, and mixed race African/European.'
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Post by kel on Feb 25, 2020 0:06:05 GMT -5
You ignored the aforementioned points. 1. The technology existed to create craft large enough and strong enough to survive transatlantic travel. Lake Chad which used to be part of Mega Lake Chad ..a lake as large as a sea .. connects these different parts of Africa and then through to the river systems and then to the ocean. Cultural and technological transfer occurred. Furthermore, if u read the article on the 'dug out canoes' and maritime tech i learn that these were not always tiny craft. Large enough to hold 100+ armed men, material, living space, etc. Weather permitting they could have survived a cross atlantic journey. Sturdiness wouldnt necessarily be an issue. www.jstor.org/stable/180919?seq=1"The canoe, carved and usually also burnt-out from a single tree trunk, played a part in the history of the coastal, lagoon and river-side peoples of West Africa similar in importance to that of the horse in the savannah states. It ranged in size from the small fishing canoe to craft over 80 ft. in length and capable of carrying, in calm waters, 100 men or more. Sails were often used, in addition to paddles and punt poles. The builders were specialists, usually living in the forests, where the most suitable trees were found. On the coast the canoe was in use by the sixteenth century for trade with the European ships, for sea voyages which (according to an account of the intrepid sailors of the Gold Coast) may have covered hundreds of miles, and for fishing up to a distance of about 10 miles from the shore. Not all those living on or near the coast ventured on the sea, and the distinction between the seafaring and non-seafaring peoples of Guinea may be explained by geographical and historical factors..............."
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Post by kel on Feb 24, 2020 18:41:59 GMT -5
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Post by kel on Feb 24, 2020 0:08:54 GMT -5
Thor Heyerdahl on his Ra II expedition of 1970, sailed from the west coast of Africa to Barbados in a papyrus reed boat. The Ra II crossed the 4,000 miles of ocean to Barbados in 57 days. He used boat building techniques of boat builders of Lake Chad. Lake Chad provides water to more than 30 million people living in the four countries surrounding it (Chad, Cameroon, Niger, and Nigeria). Therefore: the technology existed. And the dugouts you talk about werent small craft. They could hold large amounts of men and material and were sometime outfitted with sails. The first hand story of Mansa Musa cannot be disregarded. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_military_systems_to_1800#West_Africa
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Post by kel on Feb 17, 2020 16:56:25 GMT -5
Ok...fair enough...but we need more corroborating archeaological evidence....
Anything new out there ?
The "slave trade" happened clearly. But a bunch of other things happened as well. PreColombian contact...Voluntary movement pre and post Colombian. We are made to believe that all African presence was by forced slavery....pre and post contact with Europeans how much of it could have been voluntary migrations or trip taking ??
I have always believed that 'Colombus' got the idea of going West from Moors and West Africans. He traded in West Africa. I recall reading that the Almoravides sent ships west and one came back with a report. The Christians must have known or heard rumors on this. That Colombus (whoever he was) was at the fall and turnover of Grenada, the big question is why ?
Perhaps trying to gather 1st hand intel from any exiting Moors.
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Post by kel on Feb 12, 2020 15:21:25 GMT -5
Very strange indeed. How could they have genetic features not found in any group in Africa ?
They are an offshoot and the founding group went extinct somehow ?.....perhaps they separated long ago from the source population.
Pre Colombian Africans ?....hence made a freetown by Spanish...and maintenance of their language by creolization.
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Post by kel on Feb 6, 2020 22:57:40 GMT -5
Answer: B.
All the pop science articles talking about interbreeding are wrong/lies...
Neander and AMH are too divergent from last common ancestor for successful breeding. Wasnt there a discussion of this here somewhere before ? Wasnt the last common ancestor 500k years prior or something like that ?
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Post by kel on Feb 5, 2020 23:17:56 GMT -5
"this is what needs to be done for R1b in Brazil, Europe and Africa to determine pre Colombian Cross-Atlantic migration"
man o man........how exciting.
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