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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:14:03 GMT -5
From an E.S tread I created.. While Egyptian depictions of Asiatics are often Yellow to Light and Pale Beige in color, sometimes no different than the present inhabitants of the Near East. What is barely discussed and touted by Eurocentric and Arabcentric historians is the depictions and images of Dark skinned or "Asiatics" who resemble Tropical people found in Africa. These Dark Skinned people do not have to be African, but they are black and Dark Skinned or Tawny people. Many times their phenotype is different than those of other Africans such as the "Kushites" and Egyptians who depicted them. Other times they are very similar in phenotype. So lets go..  Larger Image.. www.lessing-photo.com/p3/080109/08010956.jpg A supply ship. On deck, the captain is haranguing a crew of Canaanites. Painted wood, 12th Dynasty (2000-1785 BCE), Middle Kingdom, Egypt. What is interesting about this image of "Canaanites" is that they look no different than Egyptians. They are depicted with Dark Brown Skin and even wear Egyptian clothing and Hair Styles. As odd as this might seem, another depiction of a Canaanite depicts nearly the same details.  This Image of a "Syrian"(Canaanite) Soldier married to an Egyptian Woman, is the same color as his dark skinned wife, even his servant. Its obvious that the skin tones are faded and would probably be a darker reddish brown color. To note his beard is something you would not find on most Egyptian Men, and his clothing is obviously different. Other renditions on the Syrian soldier image..  |
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:15:43 GMT -5
[Originally posted by The Explorer:]
It's likely because it reflects the diversity of "Near Easterners". It wouldn't be unreasonable for elements of these dark skinned groups to be closely related to Africans, since there had been continuous movements of Africans into the region.
"Near East" doesn't have the same situation going like that in south and southeast Asia, where we have dark people with the deepest lineages for non-Africans.
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:17:15 GMT -5
More Darkskinned Asiatics..  Face of a Canaanite man (fragment) from Beth Shan Painting on a jar (about 1300 BCE)  Head of two Bedouins from Syria(Canaan)
RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUNNotice that both have similar Hair styles, a Braided style pulled back but the first "Bedouin" is a Darker Brown while the latter is a Reddish Brown. Lower part of a Kneeling Bedouin..  Notice the clothing.. |
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:24:01 GMT -5
Procession of Asiatics from tomb of khnumhotep @ Beni Hassan..   Frescoes from the Palace at Mari  The royal palace of Mari was the royal residence of the rulers of the ancient kingdom of Mari in eastern Syria. The royal palace was excavated with the rest of the city in the 1930s and is considered one of the most important finds made at Mari.Larger Image.. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Mari_fresco_Investiture_Zimri_Lim_0215.jpg   Notice the Similarity in how the Egyptians depicted Subjugated Syrians/Asiatics bearing Tribute in the Tomb of Sobekhotep  |
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:25:39 GMT -5
[Originally posted by The Explorer:][QB] In that wall relief, the Kemetic figures appear even darker than "Aamu" figures depicted above. See:  The actual photograph of the relief: 
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:27:19 GMT -5
[Originally posted by Djehuti:]^ Yes and notice the black skinned feet of the kneeling Bedouin. As far as the Canaanite youth painting from the Beth Shan jar fragment, I have another of an older bearded man here: www.lessing-photo.com/p3/080502/08050220.jpg I can't help but notice they have the same features as the Asiatic sheik from Khnumhotep's tomb. Oh, and as far as the faience heads of the two Syrian men, I can't help but notice the one on the right has traces of darker paint on the ears and on the top lining of his forehead. Here are a couple of more pics of Asiatic bearing tribute: www.lessing-photo.com/p3/080115/08011509.jpg www.lessing-photo.com/p3/080115/08011512.jpg You can really notice the dark remnants of paint.
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:28:27 GMT -5
Originally posted by The Explorer:
I'd put brakes on that excitement a bit for the moment.
Those figurines on the boat ARE the Egyptians, unless I'm missing something. Is there an inscription on the figurine or some description about the sculpture wherein it is said that the figurines are anything but Kemetic?
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:29:16 GMT -5
I found the image from a Book where it is described as having "Canaanites" which is what the site where I got the online Image says also.. www.lessing-photo.com/dispimg.asp?i=08010956+&cr=33&cl=1 Im sure there was some inscriptions to lead these people to label it as such, but yeah they do look like normal Egyptians IMO. |
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:30:38 GMT -5
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Jari,
I'd caution the claim that the figures on the boat are anything but Egyptian figures, unless I see material evidence specifically saying so.
I've never seen any "Near Eastern" personality depicted just like the Egyptians, wearing Egyptian attire.
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:31:17 GMT -5
I did'nt mean to Ignore your posts, I just got caught up in the Moor Tread, and I was trying to Drown out a little faggot hairy roach trying to pollute My thread.
Anyway, Yeah I agree. I try to refrain from calling all these people "Black" (Unless its obvious) but I use Dark Skinned. Its obvious these Amu Men are Tanned or Dark Skinned compared to the majority of the Ammu people, so they would be a minority. However it still goes to show many Asaitcs were quite dark. The Amu people are mainly Yellow and Lighter than the Egyptians, no doubt, but come one how many places/Books/Websites actually show these Two Dark Skinned Ammu Men??
BTW, I can't find a better quality Image of the Full Scene...I tried flickr to no avail.
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Post by jari on Feb 18, 2012 12:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Feb 19, 2012 0:19:30 GMT -5
BTW, I can't find a better quality Image of the Full Scene...I tried flickr to no avail.
This from Lepsius' Denkmaeller is in some detail but the artist lightened up some fleshtones as compared to actual wall and Davies' facsimile. Hope it's of some small help to you anyway.     |
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Post by kenndo on Feb 29, 2012 7:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by karem on Aug 25, 2013 5:08:06 GMT -5
This is an interesting topic, is there anyone here who has more knowledge about it that could pm me ?
Would be interested to know why some Asiatics are depicted as darker than others, and how did that type of appearance
come into to existence in the Levant, Canaan in particular. i.e did it happen in situ as a result of naturally occurring diversity,
or is it the result of earlier inhabitants from Africa ? If its linked to an African presence, whats the evidence for this ? (genetic, linguistic, material etc). Am new,so go easy on me, and pm me if possible.
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Post by byblos on Oct 17, 2013 2:52:14 GMT -5
Originally posted by The Explorer: I'd put brakes on that excitement a bit for the moment. Those figurines on the boat ARE the Egyptians, unless I'm missing something. Is there an inscription on the figurine or some description about the sculpture wherein it is said that the figurines are anything but Kemetic? Yes you are right, the boat is of Egyptians NOT Cananites |
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