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Post by nebsen on May 1, 2012 21:42:51 GMT -5
The title of this You- Tube video is different from my heading. it is called" Olmec Black Origins :Negro Origins Of The Olmec (Luzia) Most of the video I feel is relevant concerning the oldest skull found in Brazil South America( Luzia) . I'm sure many on this forum including myself have heard about this find. But this video has been edited to conform to the original posters claim of the Olmec civilization being of African ( Black) origin which could be fact or not. My reason for posting this video is to not litigate or debate that. You can decide for yourself. But the find of the skull in itself is important !  |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 6, 2012 10:13:46 GMT -5
I remember when this was found. But the theory based on the skull and its features is that these people were of South Pacific origin. It would make sense seeing as how Pacific islanders have a long history of open ocean voyages and that they made it all the way to Easter Island just off the coast of South America.
I tend not to believe the African origins of the Olmecs because West Africans were an iron age culture, where as with the exception of silver and gold, no American society had a knowledge of metals let alone smelting iron.
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Post by nebsen on May 6, 2012 17:33:05 GMT -5
What theory ? Why did they not bring that up ? They are both scientist, esp. in the study of skull formation. it seems they were less concerned on how she got there, than the fact she was there, 13,0000 years ago; & skull formation was more in alignment with an African skull than an Mongolian ( Asian ). You seem to imply that Africans could have not made such a voyage, which has been refuted by some historians. I have even heard Melanesian say there ancestors sailed off the coast of East Africa to arrive where they are now. Yes, I know the augment by known geneticist , but I still don't discount their genesis story.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 7, 2012 2:26:39 GMT -5
What theory ? Why did they not bring that up ? They are both scientist, esp. in the study of skull formation. it seems they were less concerned on how she got there, than the fact she was there, 13,0000 years ago; & skull formation was more in alignment with an African skull than an Mongolian ( Asian ). You seem to imply that Africans could have not made such a voyage, which has been refuted by some historians. I have even heard Melanesian say there ancestors sailed off the coast of East Africa to arrive where they are now. Yes, I know the augment by known geneticist , but I still don't discount their genesis story. Its not a matter of whether or not Africans could have made such a voyage. It was based on the fact that the features were more of a match with Australian Aborigenes and Papuans. If I remember correctly they did a facial reconstruction and that's what she looked like. Based on that and other findings, they said that she represented a group of people who reached South America before the arrival of the Mongolian descendants who crossed the Straights into what is now Alaska. That eventually that second population reached South America and over ran the earlier arrivals. The last remaining descendants of that first group were two sisters in Tiera Del Fuego in the southernmost tip of Chile. I believe they also did DNA testing which also pointed to an affiliation with South Pacific peoples. As for claims of African open sea voyages, I'm not disputing the possability. However, there is very real documentable proof that Pacific Islanders made such voyages across large expanses of Ocean, not just the legends of people. Further more last time I checked the DNA findings showed that although Melanesians may share certain external similarities with Africans, they were not closly related. Neither were there any linguistic relationships. |
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Post by nebsen on May 7, 2012 16:24:54 GMT -5
In the above You-Tube video which is now deleted , they said nothing at all about the skull looking like Australian Aborigine or Papuans. If you remember, they showed the difference in an Mongolian skull to an African skull which did not have the large rounded check bone structure ! So you did not remember correctly . We all know that Pacific Islanders which include Melanesians crossed very large expanses of water thousands of years ago, to arrive to where they are today, that's a given !
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Post by nebsen on May 7, 2012 16:36:46 GMT -5
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 9, 2012 0:04:15 GMT -5
In the above You-Tube video which is now deleted , they said nothing at all about the skull looking like Australian Aborigine or Papuans. If you remember, they showed the difference in an Mongolian skull to an African skull which did not have the large rounded check bone structure ! So you did not remember correctly . We all know that Pacific Islanders which include Melanesians crossed very large expanses of water thousands of years ago, to arrive to where they are today, that's a given ! I'm not talking about a youtube video made by god knows who. I was referring to a documentary I saw on PBS many years ago, or it could have been one of the cabel channels like discovery can't remember which. As stated before, the reconstruction looked identical to people living in the SOUTH PACIFIC today, NOT mainland China, Mongolia or Siberia. I was very specific about what population I was speaking about. As said earlier, these people were later eclipsed by the arrival of those who migrated into the Americas from Siberia. Another documentary I saw explained that humans would have been able to reach many of the Pacific Islands including Austarlia by foot. The reason being that these land masses were once connected to Asia becaiuse the sea levels during the Ice Age were much lower than they are now. As I said before, I don't doubt anyone's capabilioty to do anything, I just haven't sen evidence to prove that East Africans made open sea voyages to the Pacific. On the other hand, the fact that the Hawaiian Islands, which are dead in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, as well as Easter Island which lies off the coast of South America are populated by humans, speaks volumes about the tradition and capabilities of these people to navigate large expanses of open water. I don't engage in hear say or legends. I look for irrefutible facts, in the flesh as they say. Now, if you can show me the same kind of evidence of Africans sailing to the Pacific, I'll have to accept it, but until such time, I'll stick to what has already been proven. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 9, 2012 0:07:07 GMT -5
 Like are there still people in the world who didn't know we all originated in Africa? This is like not even human history 101. This is like the prerequisit to human history 101. What does this have to do with anything? |
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Post by nebsen on May 9, 2012 2:00:22 GMT -5
It's the same documentary, only edited down for You - Tube, Ive seen most, not all myself ! Don't be silly, & stop trying to obfuscate what the article was really saying ! Your intellectual pride just want let you admit what is REALLY BEING STATED ! Cased closed ! ;D
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 9, 2012 16:21:57 GMT -5
It's the same documentary, only edited down for You - Tube, Ive seen most, not all myself ! Don't be silly, & stop trying to obfuscate what the article was really saying ! Your intellectual pride just want let you admit what is REALLY BEING STATED ! Cased closed ! ;D Well obviously I'm missing the point, so what is it? Had you seen the same documentary what are you arguing about? It said the same thing I did, the early population was a branch of South Pacific Islanders. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on May 9, 2012 16:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by quetzalcoatl on Aug 20, 2015 20:22:03 GMT -5
I remember when this was found. But the theory based on the skull and its features is that these people were of South Pacific origin. It would make sense seeing as how Pacific islanders have a long history of open ocean voyages and that they made it all the way to Easter Island just off the coast of South America. I tend not to believe the African origins of the Olmecs because West Africans were an iron age culture, where as with the exception of silver and gold, no American society had a knowledge of metals let alone smelting iron. Often the problem comes from not paying attention to the dates. Luzia in Brazil has been dated to ca. 8000 BC, therefore anyone coming from Africa or Polynesia would have come at that date or earlier. It is true that of the pre-Columbian peoples the Polynesians were the best at long-distance-open-sea travel. However, at 8000 BC there were no Polynesians nor their precursors the Lapita people. The Polynesians had only reached Fiji and Tonga by 1000 BC and did not reach Easter Island until 1200 A.D. much too late to influence either Lucia or the Olmecs- for that matter. |
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Like are there still people in the world who didn't know we all originated in Africa? This is like not even human history 101. This is like the prerequisit to human history 101. What does this have to do with anything? 
