Peoples of Northern Sudan and so called "Arabs"

[Charlie Bass]

The politics of two Sudans: the south and the north, 1821-1969 By Deng D. Akol Ruay
p.13-16

[kenndo]

one point on page 16,the bulk of sudan was rule by the funj,remember the the funj conqured upper nubia,the arabs never ruled southern nubia and most of the other parts of sudan.it wa of course the british that gave the sudan to the fake arabs.most of sudanese arabs are really arabized nubians and do not have any arab admixture at.

[nebsen]

Excellent information ! Had just got off the phone talking with a friend when he asked me about what I thought about whats happening in Egypt. Than he brought up the Sudan, I was trying to explain to him what this information is stating, about the racial dynamics of the Sudan & arabicization of the African population.

[kenndo]

to make most nubians in the sudan do not have arab admixture as well. i just read the whole thing above. one point i do not agree with is calling the arab culture superior and the king of nubia or the nubian kingdom king of makuria feeble. that's bias and incorrect. of course the info is a older work and so they seem to get alot of thing right.

another point that's a bit outdate,
it was under the funj that arabization was really on a larger scale. they invited the arabs in sudan on a larger scale. a major mistake.

[kenndo]

there are some more mistakes or out of date info in the book ,but i will mention the major ones,but overall the info is on point.
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THE man entrusted with the conquest of the african continent was a certain amr b el-as who in 641 inflicted a sweeping defeat over the byzantine forces in egypt and proceeded to conquer the nubian territories in the soth,which were at the time under the governance of a christian monarchy.the nubians continued to resist the arab invasion until 652 when they concluded a peace treaty with the arabs known as the baqt treaty.under that treaty the arabs gained right to enter the sudan unimpeded by the nubian monarchy.the coming of the arabs to the sudan regared as a landmark in history of the history of the country,for not only a stage for total islamicization of the people of northern sudan,it also arabized and assimilated the non-arab population in the country.To this effect numerous genealogical data were manipulated by learned and elderly members of various tribes in the north to make good thier claim.all these pedigress must,of course,be taken with a great reserve because " an arab of today may often be a pure african with out a trace of arab descent"(macmichael:11 83).

the arabs who successfully changed the facye of northern sudan never came in big waves nor use force.they entered the sudan mostly through egypt in small numbers.

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correction,only traders were allowed most other arabs were stop or not allowed to enter and it work for awhile but more keep coming in so arab settlers at a certain point were not stop or at least some were not.
the southern nubian kingdom in the nile valley did not allow this however.











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with the arabs the idea of a half caste is relatively alien.if the father is arab the child will be arab without reservations.if we visulise an arb marrying a nilotic woman in the fourteenth century and vilsualize a son being born a arab.if we the n assumed that the process is repeated,generation ather generation,until a child is born in the second half of the twentieth century with only a drop of his blood still ostensibly of arb derivation and the rest of his blood is indubitably nilotic,the twentieth century child is still an arab(mazrui:56).
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one correction-about th 5 to 6 generation or by 10 to 11generation that child would not have any arab blood at all. it does not take over 800 years to have arab dna to disappear,it should takeat most only 11 generations or at least 5 generations .

another pont that was wrong in this book ,the treaty the baqt treaty too place in the 600's a.d. not 1600's.

[kenndo]

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One more thing here is some info on the what has happen in sudan.

There seems to be two types of black arabs in the sudan.all are really arabized nubians but vary in degree in arabization.

One group see themselves only has arabs,the other see themselves has arab first but will admit a nubian background too i guess,so these would be arab-nubians but they has a whole will see themselves arab first,that's why they are still called arabs.I think a few in the arab nubian group do see themselves nubian again first or only nubian but their numbers are not large enough yet to create another group of arabized nubians that call themselves nubians first.


Maybe in the future thier numbers will increase to do so,but they would have to speak up and change their profile in sudan so the world would know and it will show up in the future census.

There are other arabized nubians in sudan and egypt,but the difference is that the ones in sudan will see themselves has nubian first and they still have the most or all of nubian culture and most still have the language.


The arabized nubians in egypt are nubian but only nubian in political-territorial rather than an ethnic-linguistic sense.so they are arab nubians but are considered nubians first,well at least now they do.

Got the info from a old book and it's abit outdated but gives good insight on some nubian groups,
but i guess this deals with this group of nubians in both egypt and sudan


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The dongolaw nubians are nubian but only in speech today,in all other respects they are as thoroughly arabized as thier cousins,the shaiqiya and jaaliyin and they generally deny a nubian identity and history.
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Now i do not know in recent times if most or all dongolaw nubians change thier views or they got back more of their nubian culture,but this is info that i got from a older source.I have to read more update studies about them.