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Post by anansi on May 17, 2012 9:13:17 GMT -5
We now live in a world where the former colonial powers and self proclaimed masters of the world are looking to their former possession for help,those of you following the news know the kind of trouble the Europeans are in,seems to me we are heading back to the golden era of African/Asian trade with China reasserting it self as global power,I have often read the comments of Euro/Americans of fear from such a relationship where they have soo much concern for those poor Africans,but if we used history as our guide do Africans really have anything to fear??..not saying African nations should not exercise caution when dealing with others but fear?? But I digress as Africans break free of Euro/American economic domination.they really ought to look invest in each other economies and build a strong middle class, as well as diversifying their economies and not relying on oil wealth alone.
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Post by nebsen on May 17, 2012 14:52:00 GMT -5
Very interesting ! But where are all the African engineers, architects, etc .? In Europe & America?
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Post by anansi on May 18, 2012 4:46:54 GMT -5
Very interesting ! But where are all the African engineers, architects, etc .? In Europe & America? Many are going back home But not just Africans,Indians too, I have friends from Kenya who is packing their bags and shipping their belongings back to Nairobi and these are guys making good money over here,But swear they could do much better back home, what should the Black West do?? start looking into contacts and opportunities and not get left behind.
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Post by nebsen on May 19, 2012 19:02:51 GMT -5
Well it's good to know that the African brain drain is now reversing back to Africa as a brain gain ! Yes, Black folks in the west & else where should be looking to invest in Africa with contracts etc. Juliane Malveaux a well know African American economist has been saying for years that we need to take a interest in the economy of Africa, & be a active part of the rebuilding. She also feels & I agree, that we need to keep a cautious eye on China & it's dealings & workings in Africa !
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Post by mendeman on May 21, 2012 8:08:07 GMT -5
I believe the African diaspora should start researching Africa first. Find out what country appeals to you, figure out what business opportunities are there. Then go travel there a few times to see things on the ground and hopefully make some friends/contacts. Once this is accomplished then they should start trying to not only invest but relocate to these countries. reverse what Europeans have done. If blacks/Africans in the west start to go back to their ancestral homeland this would only help to bring Africa back to where it once was.
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Post by anansi on May 21, 2012 9:43:55 GMT -5
I believe the African diaspora should start researching Africa first. Find out what country appeals to you, figure out what business opportunities are there. Then go travel there a few times to see things on the ground and hopefully make some friends/contacts. Once this is accomplished then they should start trying to not only invest but relocate to these countries. reverse what Europeans have done. If blacks/Africans in the west start to go back to their ancestral homeland this would only help to bring Africa back to where it once was. Agreed if relocation is what one prefer then that's okay also but many have holdings in the West, building bridges is what is needed most, economic,social and cultural non of that will be easy get to know some Africans where ever you are at least they can help navigate the way,my point is and not to sound imperial or anything of the sort but, we have an empire at our finger tips we have many A majority African diaspora nations in the Caribbean and significant minorities in some south and central American nations not to mention 40 million African Americans living in the states, and Brazil have the largest population of African descendants out side of Nigeria but this does not have to be coordinated top down just the ability to reach-out,nation states on both side of the Atlantic could increase trade and services with easy access to vistas and entrepreneurs would naturally do the rest. we would need to shed our stereotypes of each other and deal with the real issues that may cause mistrust,keeping up to date is one way of doing this, one of the reasons I post things on current affairs is to do just that.
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Post by mendeman on May 21, 2012 12:32:31 GMT -5
My brother, you should really look into what Brother Qaddafi was trying to do for Africa and the diaspora. Once you see this, you will realize why they killed him. I agree with you 100% and you will see my point when you see what brother Qaddafi has to say. And yes, contrary to popular belief Qaddafi considered himself AFRICAN first, and when I say African, he fully accepted his BLACK AFRICAN roots!
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Post by anansi on May 21, 2012 21:14:45 GMT -5
My brother, you should really look into what Brother Qaddafi was trying to do for Africa and the diaspora. Once you see this, you will realize why they killed him. I agree with you 100% and you will see my point when you see what brother Qaddafi has to say. And yes, contrary to popular belief Qaddafi considered himself AFRICAN first, and when I say African, he fully accepted his BLACK AFRICAN roots! Qaddafi took on the mantle of Kwame Nkrumah which was okay but he also got into many cross boarder wars with his neighbors and heavy handedness at home, so I am weary of iconic leaders what " I" think is needed are competent managers of infrastructures, economies and providers for defense the rest should be a bottoms up approach which means the rest of us on both sides of the Atlantic .
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Post by mendeman on May 22, 2012 7:25:43 GMT -5
My brother, you should really look into what Brother Qaddafi was trying to do for Africa and the diaspora. Once you see this, you will realize why they killed him. I agree with you 100% and you will see my point when you see what brother Qaddafi has to say. And yes, contrary to popular belief Qaddafi considered himself AFRICAN first, and when I say African, he fully accepted his BLACK AFRICAN roots! Qaddafi took on the mantle of Kwame Nkrumah which was okay but he also got into many cross boarder wars with his neighbors and heavy handedness at home, so I am weary of iconic leaders what " I" think is needed are competent managers of infrastructures, economies and providers for defense the rest should be a bottoms up approach which means the rest of us on both sides of the Atlantic . My brother, I see your point, however, I believe we Africans need strong leaders like Qaddafi. Remember, democracy, presidents etc. this is the tradition of the west. It is not the tradition of Africa. We need a modified African system in my opinion. We do not think like these people, even the diaspora is much different from their white counterparts. Culturally we are just two separate peoples (whites and blacks). Nothing wrong with this, but it just is. As such we should have systems which are inline with our cultural background and heritage. I also think we need cultural exchange and media programs to educate the diaspora and Africans on the continent of each other. Also student exchange programs. We need to get to re-know one another. I think this should be the first step. Once we can establish these strong ties, then we need to focus on reworking our governments to reflect the traditional African model and the same goes for laws and economics. These models should be "modernized" given today's climate. Once there is standardization, these models should be brought back to the diaspora. I should also add the diaspora should have a hand in shaping these models. I also believe Africa should stop trading with the west for maybe 100 yrs. Become insular (like China did) and only trade with the diaspora and other African nations on the continent, that is it. Once the system is perfected then we can re embrace the world. But only after we are strong and the bond is unbreakable.
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Post by anansi on May 23, 2012 2:06:11 GMT -5
quote author=mendeman board=pol thread=1208 post=6304 time=1337689543] Qaddafi took on the mantle of Kwame Nkrumah which was okay but he also got into many cross boarder wars with his neighbors and heavy handedness at home, so I am weary of iconic leaders what " I" think is needed are competent managers of infrastructures, economies and providers for defense the rest should be a bottoms up approach which means the rest of us on both sides of the Atlantic . I was hoping we could skip the whole benevolent dictator El Presidente for life thingy they are usually mass murderers, if needs be however looking into Africa's past for guide to good governance may not be a bad idea, I remember Al-Takruri had a post on E/S about the ancient Songhai's constitution which made a lot sense and only need a few revisions to up dated it , if I can track it down or brother Al can repost it here that would be a good thing. [q
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Post by mendeman on May 23, 2012 11:16:42 GMT -5
anansi
No no, not president for life. Look at the Asantehene for a good example or the paramount chiefs in Sierra Leone or kings and rulers in other parts of Africa. These people are generally there for life but there is a counsel of elders that work like a "cabinet" and have veto powers etc. This sort of system should be modified. Even in Libya they had such a system. Qaddafi did NOT have the final say so, his system was very African in nature. Do not listen to what the west has to say, these people lie at times.
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Post by anansi on May 24, 2012 1:29:36 GMT -5
anansi No no, not president for life. Look at the Asantehene for a good example or the paramount chiefs in Sierra Leone or kings and rulers in other parts of Africa. These people are generally there for life but there is a counsel of elders that work like a "cabinet" and have veto powers etc. This sort of system should be modified. Even in Libya they had such a system. Qaddafi did NOT have the final say so, his system was very African in nature. Do not listen to what the west has to say, these people lie at times. I found the old post of the Mali Constitution not Songhai's as I mistakenly attribute it to the wrong civilization and people and the person who broached the subject. here is a teaser with links to the full article. The Kouroukan Fouga or Kurukan Fuga is purported to be the constitution of the Mali Empire (mid-thirteenth century to c. 1645), created after the Battle of Krina by an assembly of notables to create a government for the newly established empire. It was first alluded to in print in Djibril Tamsir Niane's book, Soundjata, ou la Epoupée Mandingue. Subsequently versions of it were published in Mandinka and translated by Youssouf Cissé into French in 1991, and finally, a version of compiled in 1998 by a group of traditional historians as well as modern linguists. Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent#ixzz1vlWlfqLk
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