Death Of Apartheid - The Whites Last Stand

[anansi]

A look back at the events that took place before the elections.

[azrur]

are those white people in the south africa the boer or british because i hear the british fight war with the boer people south africa did they kill them all after this?

[anansi]

Dec 7, 2013 1:25:05 GMT -5 azrur said:

are those white people in the south africa the boer or british because i hear the british fight war with the boer people south africa did they kill them all after this?

Azrur please watch the vid the war between the Brits and the Boers was about a century earlier,but yes the ruling class were mostly Boers and they did not kill the Brits after the war but made them citizens.

[azrur]

didnt the british win the war though after that they make boer leave

[anansi]

Dec 9, 2013 17:38:25 GMT -5 azrur said:

didnt the british win the war though after that they make boer leave

The leave and go where?? the Boers stayed right where they were and got what they wanted when the Brits gave-up officially ruling the country back in 1934.

[azrur]

they make them go walking north yeah? the treks

[truthteacher2007]

Dec 9, 2013 23:40:34 GMT -5 azrur said:

they make them go walking north yeah? the treks

There were two wars. In the second one, the British had rounded up the Afrikaners and put them in concentration camps. Not to kill them like Hitler did with the Jews and Gypsies, but to make sure that Boer soldiers couldn't get food supplies and to force them to surrender. There were a lot of deaths in the camps because they were poorly administrated. However, you have to keep in mind that both the British and the Afrikaners feared and resented the native majority, This areticle explains what happened after the war was ended and the camps were liberated,

Race and apartheid

Although the leaders of both the Boers and the British believed that this should be a 'white man’s war', black people played an important part, and also suffered severely.

From the start British and Boer forces alike employed black people in non-combatant roles. About 10,000 agterryers ('after-riders') accompanied the Boers to perform small duties on commando. A very tiny number of them unofficially took up arms on the Boer side.

The Afrikaaners took control of South African politics, and they resolved to become independent of the British sphere of influence.

In the British Army, at least 14,000 black people worked as wagon drivers. The British Army increasingly employed blacks in combatant roles, such as spies, guides and eventually soldiers. Under Kitchener’s command they were armed for self-defence against the Boers, who were executing them when captured.

By the end of the war there were probably 30,000 armed black men in the British Army. Moreover, black communities drove Boer commandos and families from large areas of the Transvaal, thus further curtailing Boer operations and contributing to the Boer acceptance of the peace terms.

The imperial policy promoted by Milner, which included rigorous Anglicisation efforts, failed soon after the war and merely fanned Afrikaaner nationalism. The British empire had been shaken by its efforts to force two small nations into submission, just a decade before World War One.

The war had devastated the Afrikaaners economically and psychologically. This contributed to Boer poverty and accelerated urbanisation. In the course of the 20th century, the Afrikaaners took control of South African politics, and they resolved to become independent of the British sphere of influence.

It shaped them as 'race patriots' and revealed an aggressive nationalism, which led them to aspire to self-determination and complete dominance of South Africa. This, together with a fear of the black majority, may partly explain the implementation of the policy of apartheid (racial segregation). With the forming of the Republic of South Africa in 1961, the Peace of Vereeniging seemed to have been avenged.

Black people were equally devastated by the war, with similar results concerning poverty and urbanisation. Moreover, their occupation of Boer land during the second Boer War was not recognised, and they did not receive an extension of the qualified franchise (practiced in the Cape Colony and Natal) to the Transvaal and the Orange River Colony.

With the coming of Union in 1910, these aspirations were again frustrated which led to the founding of the South African Native National Congress in 1912. This became the African National Congress in 1923. The black struggle was to continue throughout the 20th century and would achieve success in 1994 with a democratically elected South African government.

[azrur]

the hitler did not kill them Israel make up that lie so they can steal palestinian land and kill palestinians 
mahmoud ahmadinejad greatest all time president of iran has proven this

the zionist slander him because he will not be control or bully by them

you see the governments they walk out why? why do they walk out? they are controlled by zionists

the israelis do not want iran to have nuclear power or nuclear weapons why do they not want that? the israeli have many weapons of mass destruction here is what they say

"Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. (...) What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter? Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?"
David Perlmutter, professor in Louisiana State University

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
Martin van Creveld, military historian, quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003)

"Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance) as well as the holy places of Islam - that would be the aftermath of a second Holocaust. (...) The abandonment of proportionality is the essence of the Samson Option."
Ron Rosenbaum "How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III", 2012

Jerusalem Post journalist Gil Ronen wrote that this is seen as referring to the Samson Option: "taking out Israel's enemies with it, possibly causing irreparable damage to the entire world."

In 2012, in response to Gunter Grass's poem "Was gesagt werden muss" ("What Must Be Said") which criticized Israel's nuclear weapons program, Israeli poet and alleged Holohoax survivor Itamar Yaoz-Kest published a poem entitled "The Right to Exist: a Poem-Letter to the German Author" which addresses Grass by name. It contains the line: "If you force us yet again to descend from the face of the Earth to the depths of the Earth — let the Earth roll toward the Nothingness."

when america when they invade iraq what happen why do they say they are invading? for the weapons of mass destruction they say are in iraq why do they say that there was never any found so what happened why did it happen i will tell you who put the most pressure for invasion of iraq it was Israel and the AIPAC AIPAC stand for American Israel Public Affairs Committee the israel they said no when the President Bush asked for UN security council authorization of the war and say no to the inspectors who go to Iraq for alleged weapons of mass destruction israeli mossad said was there they are making up the lies about the holocaust and the 9/11 and iraq and iran and syria and egypt so they can have their wars and kill the people strong Iraq threat to israel weakened Iraq not a threat strong Iran with nuclear weapons can defend itself from israel weak Iran with no nuclear weapons can not strong stable syria threat to Israel but now it is civil war not a threat after war it is unstable no threat that is why they make up the holocaust so they can kill the palestinians and take the lands 

[azrur]

Dec 10, 2013 19:57:40 GMT -5 azrur said:

"Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. (...) What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter? Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?"
David Perlmutter, professor in Louisiana State University

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
Martin van Creveld, military historian, quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003)

"Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance) as well as the holy places of Islam - that would be the aftermath of a second Holocaust. (...) The abandonment of proportionality is the essence of the Samson Option."
Ron Rosenbaum "How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III", 2012

Jerusalem Post journalist Gil Ronen wrote that this is seen as referring to the Samson Option: "taking out Israel's enemies with it, possibly causing irreparable damage to the entire world."

In 2012, in response to Gunter Grass's poem "Was gesagt werden muss" ("What Must Be Said") which criticized Israel's nuclear weapons program, Israeli poet and alleged Holohoax survivor Itamar Yaoz-Kest published a poem entitled "The Right to Exist: a Poem-Letter to the German Author" which addresses Grass by name. It contains the line: "If you force us yet again to descend from the face of the Earth to the depths of the Earth — let the Earth roll toward the Nothingness."

did saddam ever say that? any iraqi ever say that? how many soldier have been killed fighting the wars for israel AIPAC how many innocent iraqi were killed in the crossfire? 

[truthteacher2007]

Dec 10, 2013 19:57:40 GMT -5 azrur said:

the hitler did not kill them Israel make up that lie so they can steal palestinian land and kill palestinians 
mahmoud ahmadinejad greatest all time president of iran has proven this

the zionist slander him because he will not be control or bully by them

you see the governments they walk out why? why do they walk out? they are controlled by zionists

the israelis do not want iran to have nuclear power or nuclear weapons why do they not want that? the israeli have many weapons of mass destruction here is what they say

"Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. (...) What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter? Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?"
David Perlmutter, professor in Louisiana State University

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
Martin van Creveld, military historian, quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003)

"Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance) as well as the holy places of Islam - that would be the aftermath of a second Holocaust. (...) The abandonment of proportionality is the essence of the Samson Option."
Ron Rosenbaum "How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III", 2012

Jerusalem Post journalist Gil Ronen wrote that this is seen as referring to the Samson Option: "taking out Israel's enemies with it, possibly causing irreparable damage to the entire world."

In 2012, in response to Gunter Grass's poem "Was gesagt werden muss" ("What Must Be Said") which criticized Israel's nuclear weapons program, Israeli poet and alleged Holohoax survivor Itamar Yaoz-Kest published a poem entitled "The Right to Exist: a Poem-Letter to the German Author" which addresses Grass by name. It contains the line: "If you force us yet again to descend from the face of the Earth to the depths of the Earth — let the Earth roll toward the Nothingness."

when america when they invade iraq what happen why do they say they are invading? for the weapons of mass destruction they say are in iraq why do they say that there was never any found so what happened why did it happen i will tell you who put the most pressure for invasion of iraq it was Israel and the AIPAC AIPAC stand for American Israel Public Affairs Committee the israel they said no when the President Bush asked for UN security council authorization of the war and say no to the inspectors who go to Iraq for alleged weapons of mass destruction israeli mossad said was there they are making up the lies about the holocaust and the 9/11 and iraq and iran and syria and egypt so they can have their wars and kill the people strong Iraq threat to israel weakened Iraq not a threat strong Iran with nuclear weapons can defend itself from israel weak Iran with no nuclear weapons can not strong stable syria threat to Israel but now it is civil war not a threat after war it is unstable no threat that is why they make up the holocaust so they can kill the palestinians and take the lands 

Okay, let's stay focused on the topic of discussion, which is Apartheid in South Africa. The issue of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and whether or not the Holocaust really happened is a whole other topic. If you would like to discuss it, I'd suggest starting a new thread. So, in the mean time, did the information provided answer your questions regarding the creation of the Apartheid system in South Africa?

[azrur]

so the boer people and the british they together make the afrinkaner people

[truthteacher2007]

Dec 11, 2013 17:15:26 GMT -5 azrur said:

so the boer people and the british they together make the afrinkaner people

The Boers are a segment of the Africaner ethnic group. They were not English and as far as I remember, there were always tensions between them and the English, however, they both perceived the Black majority as a threat. This explains how they were able to have so much influence.

In South Africa, an Afrikaner minority party, the National Party, came to power in 1948 and enacted a series of segregationist laws favouring whites known as apartheid. These laws allowed for the systematic persecution of opposition leaders and attempted to enforce general white supremacy by classifying all South African inhabitants into racial groups. Non-white political participation was outlawed, black citizenship revoked, and the entire public sphere, including education, residential areas, medical care and common areas such as public transportation, beaches and amenities, was segregated.

[azrur]

what are they doing today right now

[azrur]

are they still doing the farms and the walking and what about the bushmen people are they in this

[anansi]

Dec 11, 2013 22:59:40 GMT -5 azrur said:

are they still doing the farms and the walking and what about the bushmen people are they in this

The Khoi-san that are urbanized follow the path of other Blacks those that followed a traditional life style remains separated from them,but in ages gone by they were pushed around by both Bantu and European transplants.