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Post by seekeroftruth on Dec 31, 2013 9:16:28 GMT -5
I have read a few articles on the conquest of North Africa by the Arabs and much of it detailed how Africans were willingly inviting of the Arabs and embraced the religion of Islam. Was it really that easy? And if anyone can, can you point me in the right direction if this is not true i.e books, sites etc? Thanks.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 31, 2013 12:18:20 GMT -5
I have read a few articles on the conquest of North Africa by the Arabs and much of it detailed how Africans were willingly inviting of the Arabs and embraced the religion of Islam. Was it really that easy? And if anyone can, can you point me in the right direction if this is not true i.e books, sites etc? Thanks. That's a rather simplistic view. Bottom line is there was no one size fits all in every situation. In cases like Egypt they were welcomed because Egypt had been under the domination and oppression of the Byzantines. They were just so damd glad to be rid of them, they didn't care how it happened. In other cases there was fierce resistance. You should try finding accounts of Al Khahina. She was a warrior queen who ferociously fought Arab conquest before she was defeated. The reality of what happened was much more complex. I can't reccommend and books, but I'm sure it would be very easy to find a wealth of scholarly materials that document the process. |
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Post by seekeroftruth on Dec 31, 2013 14:39:56 GMT -5
I have read a few articles on the conquest of North Africa by the Arabs and much of it detailed how Africans were willingly inviting of the Arabs and embraced the religion of Islam. Was it really that easy? And if anyone can, can you point me in the right direction if this is not true i.e books, sites etc? Thanks. That's a rather simplistic view. Bottom line is there was no one size fits all in every situation. In cases like Egypt they were welcomed because Egypt had been under the domination and oppression of the Byzantines. They were just so damd glad to be rid of them, they didn't care how it happened. In other cases there was fierce resistance. You should try finding accounts of Al Khahina. She was a warrior queen who ferociously fought Arab conquest before she was defeated. The reality of what happened was much more complex. I can't reccommend and books, but I'm sure it would be very easy to find a wealth of scholarly materials that document the process.  No books? i'll look up Al Khahina. Thank you. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 31, 2013 19:15:34 GMT -5
That's a rather simplistic view. Bottom line is there was no one size fits all in every situation. In cases like Egypt they were welcomed because Egypt had been under the domination and oppression of the Byzantines. They were just so damd glad to be rid of them, they didn't care how it happened. In other cases there was fierce resistance. You should try finding accounts of Al Khahina. She was a warrior queen who ferociously fought Arab conquest before she was defeated. The reality of what happened was much more complex. I can't reccommend and books, but I'm sure it would be very easy to find a wealth of scholarly materials that document the process. No books? i'll look up Al Khahina. Thank you. Google search. I'm sure there are books out there, I just don't know any. when you find out come back and share. |
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Post by azrur on Jan 1, 2014 2:31:40 GMT -5
many simply did not care most lived in the mountains and deserts anyway were no arab army went that is why people converted to islam so late in the ages like kabyle who became muslim from marabout missionary and tuareg in desert i dont even know it was late that why their name is godless today they still do not follow much of islam and still hold their ancient beliefs the arab never conquer all some convert and even then only few years later revolt and maghreb was no longer theirs al kahina that is what arab called her her name was dihya al kahina means witch because they attribute her victories to her seeing the futures she only lost because she was betrayed by the arab she spared and she was not jew this was lie invented to humiliate berbers another one like dihya who fights the arabs was kusaila who defeated arabs with help of byzantines and kept the arabs from crossing into maghreb for many years
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Post by azrur on Jan 1, 2014 2:35:50 GMT -5
you will not find many reliable sources on this although the arabic ones are more expanded but filled with pan arab agendas and the european accounts are just taken from arab ones with their own colonial agenda
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Post by seekeroftruth on Feb 16, 2014 17:48:29 GMT -5
I have been researching the subject and have found a few books on the subject. At the moment, I'm still gathering evidence and trying to come to my own conclusions.
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Post by azrur on Feb 16, 2014 18:22:23 GMT -5
I have been researching the subject and have found a few books on the subject. At the moment, I'm still gathering evidence and trying to come to my own conclusions. what is there to conclude? arabs invade arabs win then they get thrown out |
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Post by anansi on Feb 17, 2014 0:14:35 GMT -5
I have been researching the subject and have found a few books on the subject. At the moment, I'm still gathering evidence and trying to come to my own conclusions. what is there to conclude? arabs invade arabs win then they get thrown out Who got thrown out?? and when. |
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Post by azrur on Feb 17, 2014 18:38:18 GMT -5
what is there to conclude? arabs invade arabs win then they get thrown out Who got thrown out?? and when. |
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Post by anansi on Feb 17, 2014 20:50:04 GMT -5
Who got thrown out?? and when. Ok so someone put vid of multiple movies and documentaries showing ancient battles including Hannibal while describing in-between the scenes the battles between Arabs and Berbers but fall short of kicking anyone out,matter of fact Arab descendants or loyalist still hold sway over much of the Maghreb, Azrur if you are going to tell your people's story pls do a better job. |
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Post by azrur on Feb 17, 2014 22:26:41 GMT -5
Ok so someone put vid of multiple movies and documentaries showing ancient battles including Hannibal while describing in-between the scenes the battles between Arabs and Berbers but fall short of kicking anyone out,matter of fact Arab descendants or loyalist still hold sway over much of the Maghreb, Azrur if you are going to tell your people's story pls do a better job. the video i did not make but if you read you will see the consequence of this i will quote the maci berpero and the thamurthnnumidia "this the true story, but hhhhhh when the arabs win they always say that they were 20000 against 100000 berbers, always lies, all the battles between berbers and arabs , the arabs always loose and they always came with big army than berbers, if they really win why all the muslims kindoms in north africa were berbes and not arabs, fatimide ziride, morabitine, almowahidon........ all of them," "tell when did they won, hhhhh give me one muslim empire in north africa build by the arabs, ,,,,,, none. all the empires in north africa were berbers muslim empires. count them: fatimides zirides hammadite almohade morabitin , the fatimides( kabyles kutama) and almohade ( the founder is morrocan but the general was from tlemcen algeria who studied at bejaia) this two empires controled all the area from spain to palestine. so man i am waiting for the answer what are the arabs empire in north africa( only one in the begeening of foutouhat in tunisia kairawan called aghaliba) but it was destoryed from the berberes. hhhh i am waiting you" you see after this they no longer control there ever the arab invaders never take it back today you talk of the arab descendant who are not really descendant of arab just the same as arab in a syria or a palestine or a iraq or a lebanon are not descendant of a arab but of the people there before the arab but they adopt arab language and call themselves arab they are the places where the arab supremacy is most racist yet they are places with least arab descendant the domination gaddafi who hated berbers and killed them yet he was probably a more berber than arab their sway it is not because they took it back over but because the people began adopting arab identity and after the europeans leave they got the control given to them but it will be taken back after the berber revolt you should read upon no arab empires took it back over |
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Post by zarahan on Feb 17, 2014 23:35:25 GMT -5
I have read a few articles on the conquest of North Africa by the Arabs and much of it detailed how Africans were willingly inviting of the Arabs and embraced the religion of Islam. Was it really that easy? And if anyone can, can you point me in the right direction if this is not true i.e books, sites etc? Thanks. Exactly what articles have you read? And what part of North Africa are you referring to? Morocco? Tunisia? Libya? Egypt? Algeria? Chad? Sudan? Niger?  |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Feb 18, 2014 9:43:51 GMT -5
Ok so someone put vid of multiple movies and documentaries showing ancient battles including Hannibal while describing in-between the scenes the battles between Arabs and Berbers but fall short of kicking anyone out,matter of fact Arab descendants or loyalist still hold sway over much of the Maghreb, Azrur if you are going to tell your people's story pls do a better job. the video i did not make but if you read you will see the consequence of this i will quote the maci berpero and the thamurthnnumidia "this the true story, but hhhhhh when the arabs win they always say that they were 20000 against 100000 berbers, always lies, all the battles between berbers and arabs , the arabs always loose and they always came with big army than berbers, if they really win why all the muslims kindoms in north africa were berbes and not arabs, fatimide ziride, morabitine, almowahidon........ all of them," "tell when did they won, hhhhh give me one muslim empire in north africa build by the arabs, ,,,,,, none. all the empires in north africa were berbers muslim empires. count them: fatimides zirides hammadite almohade morabitin , the fatimides( kabyles kutama) and almohade ( the founder is morrocan but the general was from tlemcen algeria who studied at bejaia) this two empires controled all the area from spain to palestine. so man i am waiting for the answer what are the arabs empire in north africa( only one in the begeening of foutouhat in tunisia kairawan called aghaliba) but it was destoryed from the berberes. hhhh i am waiting you" you see after this they no longer control there ever the arab invaders never take it back today you talk of the arab descendant who are not really descendant of arab just the same as arab in a syria or a palestine or a iraq or a lebanon are not descendant of a arab but of the people there before the arab but they adopt arab language and call themselves arab they are the places where the arab supremacy is most racist yet they are places with least arab descendant the domination gaddafi who hated berbers and killed them yet he was probably a more berber than arab their sway it is not because they took it back over but because the people began adopting arab identity and after the europeans leave they got the control given to them but it will be taken back after the berber revolt you should read upon no arab empires took it back over Whenever you talk about Arabs in North Africa you have to be very clear that you first explain the difference between being Arab and having adopted an Arab identity. You also have to make it clear that Arab is not a racial group, but an ethnic group. As with all the Arabic speaking countries of North Africa, Egypt included, although there was invasion and a certain degree of migration, there was never enough people to replace the native populations. What happened was very similar to what happened in Mexico and other LAtin American countries. The invaders came and took control of the ruling class. The majority of the population was still native. The rulers then imposed their language and religion on the population. In time, the natives begin to adopt the language, religion and certain aspects of the invaders culture. In the class system that results, there is a lot of motivation to identify with the ruling class because it has prestige. Therefore, you have natives claiming to be part of the ruling class ethnic group because they see it as entry into gaining a higher status in society. Many people then try to distance themselves as much as they can from the identity of the subordinate class. In Mexico people tend to deny their native american roots, clinging to Spanish ancestry, especially if they have any Spanish blood. In the Caribbean, mulattos try to deny their African origins. In North Africa people deny their Berber origins and declare themselves Arab. This is why we have Egypt calling itself The Arab Republic. In Sudan we find people claiming they are not Africans, not black, but Arab, which is really strainge when you consider the fact that Bilad Is Sudan means land of the blacks in Arabic!  So yes, you are right that the actual Arabs didn't stay in control for long, but the fact that the natives have adopted the identity of the invaders and work to destroy the identity of the native culture, to me is even more of a problem and even sadder. |
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Post by seekeroftruth on Feb 19, 2014 23:09:11 GMT -5
I have read a few articles on the conquest of North Africa by the Arabs and much of it detailed how Africans were willingly inviting of the Arabs and embraced the religion of Islam. Was it really that easy? And if anyone can, can you point me in the right direction if this is not true i.e books, sites etc? Thanks. Exactly what articles have you read? And what part of North Africa are you referring to? Morocco? Tunisia? Libya? Egypt? Algeria? Chad? Sudan? Niger? To be precise I've read articles here and there from news outlets like the BBC, forums, and blogs. As far as the region I'm referring to, I was including all of North Africa and not a specific area. |
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No books? i'll look up Al Khahina. Thank you.
