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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 13, 2014 6:08:20 GMT -5
 I will dumb it down. Beyoku may get a kick from this...He! He! He! Quote from the study. We choose Yoruba as a source of the African admixture in Stuttgart WOMAN, as the SOURCE of the admixture in BedouinB appears to be African-farmer related (K=4, SI 9), and Yoruba are the population of African farmers with the highest sample size in the Human Origins dataset.Shared common drift between “Outgroup” and Yoruba in the above equation complicates analysis, so we choose the “Outgroup” to be Dinka and Ju_hoan_North, two populations that do not appear to have recent common ancestry with West Africans. We estimate =4.2%, or 5.1%, or 7.2%, as mentioned previously; these differ by only a few percent, but because they are used to subtract a portion of African ancestry from the BedouinB that is quite divergent from Eurasians, these small differences have substantial effects. The amount of Near Eastern admixture estimated for Stuttgart can be seen in Table S10.2 and range between 61-98% with estimates increasing as the amount of estimated African admixture in BedouinB increases. Estimates using Dinka or Ju_hoan_North as an African outgroup are similar. There are reasons to doubt both the lower estimates (near 60%), since ALDER provides only a lower bound on African ancestry, but also the higher estimates (near 100%) since there is direct evidence that Stuttgart has European hunter-gatherer ancestry (Fig. 1B and Table S10.1). Determining the precise levels of Near Eastern admixture in Stuttgart must await further ancient DNA studies from both Europe and the Near East, but we can at least reasonably claim that most of the sample’s ancestry was Near Eastern, consistent with the mtDNA evidence for the Linearbandkeramik, which demonstrated a strong Near Eastern influence3-5. === To those who dont get. African farmers to The Bedoiuns(Negev desert) to S. Europe. Any questions? But the fugkers Still refuse to admit the obvious. Alhtough the Iberians, Sicilians, Sardinians and Greek have the highest percentages. Therefore the route is NOT through the Bediouns of the Negev. If it throug the Negev there would be a decrease from East to Iberia. All three regions have equivalent distribution of EEF. Damn these people!!! |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 13, 2014 6:08:31 GMT -5
Quote from the study : It is evident that southern European populations have a greater affinity to early European farmers, and northern European populations have a greater affinity to Western European hunter gatherers, consistent with the analysis of a Swedish Funnelbeaker farmer14 (Skoglund_farmer in Fig. 1B) who resembled southern Europeans, and two Iberian Mesolithic hunter-gatherers15 (LaBrana1 and === The question is what is the best representation of the EEF......tic! toc! tic! toc!. He! He! He!. Come on man. It is all there. 136pages!!! With charts. Look at the European population with greater than 80% EEF. All closest to Africa. Including Spain. BTW the study claims that Spain had Pygmy migration as late as 500BC.  |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 13, 2014 6:09:25 GMT -5
Also. Remember I am the one who proposed modem Africans do not have ownership on Blackness. Just as modern Europeans do not have ownership on white skin.
Keep up.....Shriver et al2013. AMH left Africa with light skin.....but it is much much much later than he thought. He! He! He!
Apparently the first couple of waves in Asia and Europe were pitch black
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 13, 2014 6:10:45 GMT -5
It will take me some time to process this one. 136pages!!!!
All the notable genetics heavy hitters including the "progressives" came out on the one. close to 30 authors. I knew Henn was on games with back-migration. He! He!
From: Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral
populations for present-day Europeans
Haak, Henn, Comas, Tishkoff, Kivisld, Hammer, Salas and the fag Paabo.
Stuttgart man and Loschbour man have similar black skin pigmentation to La Brana and Otzi man.
Both show affinity with Mbuti and Paupuan. They seem to be a relic population. Part of the first African migrants.mtDNA T and yDNA I. Black pigmentation YDNA I? Now I have seen everything.
Remember my post on Otzi. He carried unique allele found only in pygmies. Guess what? Stuttgart man is very similar to Otzi and Stuttgart man also show strong SNP affinity with the Mbuti.
The authors claim there is still no appearance of R1b in Europe up to 2000BC.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 13, 2014 6:11:42 GMT -5
I did something recently that is out of my character. I snooped on Dienkess. After spending sometime there I have concluded that he, Dienkess got caught up in the moment. He has a piece on La Brana man, nothing on Stuttgart man or Loschbour man as yet. I believe Dienkess is trying hard to be honest. Reading between the lines. But he has to feed the beast. His rabid fans have him cornered. He is trying to tell his delusional fans that the ancient Europeans are not only black but may be from Africa. The fans don't want to hear that. Poor guy. He created the atmosphere. Tsk tsk!
He is taking a beating
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 13, 2014 6:29:53 GMT -5
The three Peninsulars of Europe have the highest frequency of EEF(BedouinB-West African Farmers). Greater than 80%. Yet they claim the migration route was through the Levant. If the migration route was through the Levant then Iberians will show the lowest frequency. So Obviously the migration route was through North Africa. with equal amounts entering Iberia, Sicily/Italy and Greece/Albania. That is the ONLY scenario that makes sense. But they were slick. Stating that more research is needed. yeah... right! Quote from the study : It is evident that southern European populations have a greater affinity to early European farmers, and northern European populations have a greater affinity to Western European hunter gatherers, consistent with the analysis of a Swedish Funnelbeaker farmer14 (Skoglund_farmer in Fig. 1B) who resembled southern Europeans, and two Iberian Mesolithic hunter-gatherers15 (LaBrana1 and === The question is what is the best representation of the EEF......tic! toc! tic! toc!. He! He! He!. Come on man. It is all there. 136pages!!! With charts. Look at the European population with greater than 80% EEF. All closest to Africa. Including Spain. BTW the study claims that Spain had Pygmy migration as late as 500BC. |
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Post by azrur on Feb 13, 2014 18:05:45 GMT -5
I did something recently that is out of my character. I snooped on Dienkess. After spending sometime there I have concluded that he, Dienkess got caught up in the moment. He has a piece on La Brana man, nothing on Stuttgart man or Loschbour man as yet. I believe Dienkess is trying hard to be honest. Reading between the lines. But he has to feed the beast. His rabid fans have him cornered. He is trying to tell his delusional fans that the ancient Europeans are not only black but may be from Africa. The fans don't want to hear that. Poor guy. He created the atmosphere. Tsk tsk! He is taking a beating who is that |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2014 18:57:06 GMT -5
Loschbour
The Mesolithic Loschbour sample stems from a male skeleton recovered from the Loschbour rock shelter in Heffingen, Luxembourg.
According to his reports it seemed to be a primary burial, as the skeleton was lying on its back in a flexed position and with arms crossed over the chest. Based on morphological, radiological and histological data, the estimated age of death is 34 to 47 years (Delsate et al. 2009). Pathological finds are summarized in slight dorsal and lumbar vertebral osteoarthritic lesions, minimal unsystematized enthesopathies and an osteo-dental discharge fistula (Delsate et al. 2009). The skull was most likely decorated with ocher (Delsate et al. 2009).
Stuttgart
The Stuttgart sample stems from a female skeleton (LBK380, Extended Data Fig. 1B) that was excavated in 1982 at the site Viesenhauser Hof, Stuttgart-Muhlhausen, Germany
Culture (Linearbandkeramik, LBK), dated to 5,500-4,800 BC, as inferred from artifacts such as pottery associated with the graves of the female skeletons as well as surrounding graves 2005). Based on morphology, Stuttgart (LBK380) is a female who died at an estimated age of 20 to 30 years. The skeleton was buried in the characteristic way of the LBK, lying in a seated position on the right side. The burial was oriented from East-North- East to West-North-West with the skull facing north. Most of the body parts were represented
Motala
The Motala samples come from the site of Kanaljorden in the town of Motala, Ostergotland, Sweden. The human remains are part of ritual depositions that were made on a 14 × 14 meter stone-packing, constructed on the bottom of a small lake. The stone-packing was completely submerged and covered by at least 0.5m of water at the time of use. The ritual depositions include human bones: mostly skulls and fragments of skulls but also some stray bones from other parts of the body. The minimal number of individuals is inferred to be ten adults and one infant. The infant is the only individual that has bone representation from the entire body. Two of the skulls were mounted on wooden stakes still imbedded in the crania at the time of discovery. Apparently the skulls were put on display PRIOR to the deposition in the lake. In addition to human bones, the ritual depositions also includes artifacts of antler, bone, wood and stone, animal carcasses/bones, as well as nuts, mushrooms and berries. Direct dates on 11 human bones range between 7,013 +- 76
For Stuttgart, heterozygosity was estimated to be higher than in any of presentday 15 non-African and lower than in 10 present-day Africans. For Loschbour, heterozygosity was estimated to be lower than in any of 25 present-day humans.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2014 18:58:21 GMT -5
Pigmentation
For hair color, the integrated results of the genotype-based pigmentation models indicate that there is at least a 99% probability that both the Stuttgart and Loschbour individuals had dark (brown or black) hair. The Hirisplex model assigns the highest probability to black hair color for both individuals (Table S7.4). The results of the 8-plex skin pigmentation model were inconclusive for both the Loschbour and Stuttgart individuals. However, the Loschbour and Stuttgart genotypes at rs1426654 in SLC24A5 indicate that the Stuttgart individual may have had lighter skin than the Loschbour hunter and gatherer. __
The Loschbour individual is homozygous for the rs1426654 ancestral allele, while Stuttgart is homozygous for the derived skin-lightening allele (22, 23).
rs3827760 EDAR A/A A/A
Both Stuttgart and Loschbour are homozygous for alleles associated with wet earwax (ABCC1) and non-shoveled incisors (EDAR), which are phenotypes known to occur at higher frequency in Europeans (28-31). Neither of the ancient modern humans carried the derived alleles at three loci associated with alcohol metabolism (ALDH2, ADH1Ba and ADH1Bb), which are known to have been under recent positive selection in East Asian populations (17, 18, 32)
ADH1B, ABCC1, and ALDH2 that are known to have high allele frequency differentiation between present-day European and East Asian populations. Both Stuttgart and Loschbour are homozygous for alleles associated with wet earwax (ABCC1) and non-shoveled incisors (EDAR), which are phenotypes known to occur at higher frequency in Europeans (28-31). Neither of the ancient modern humans carried the derived alleles at three loci associated with alcohol metabolism (ALDH2, ADH1Ba and ADH1Bb), which are known to have been under recent positive selection in East Asian populations
Recognizing the challenge posed by the lack of accurate surrogates for the ancestral populations, we hypothesized that Stuttgart is a mixture of an unknown hunter-gatherer population that forms a clade with Loschbour and an unknown Near Eastern population (NE) in proportions 1-_ and _. We do not know the exact NE population contributing ancestry to Stuttgart. However, we explored using BedouinB as a surrogate, as this is the population that appears at the southern end of the Near Eastern cline (Fig. 1B) and appears to have ***no**** Asian ancestry (SI 9).
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2014 18:59:35 GMT -5
We conclude that additional complexity exists in the Spanish population. It is possibly that this is due to the presence of low levels of Sub-Saharan ancestry in the Mediterranean2 or of North African3 admixture as has been reported previously. Such ancestry has also been suggested to occur at low levels in ***other European populations****, and perhaps the Spanish stand out in our analysis because of their large sample size.
A single such admixture event into Stuttgart (as in Fig. S12.2e) would fully explain #3, i.e., that all eastern non-Africans are more closely related to hunter-gatherers than to Stuttgart. Such an idea is also archaeologically plausible on account of the Near Eastern related admixture that we have detected in Stuttgart. The Near East was the staging point(BASED UPON WHAT?-ARCHEOLOGY AND NOT GENETICS OR GEOGRAPHY) for the peopling of Eurasia by anatomically modern humans. As a result, it is entirely plausible that it harbored deep Eurasian ancestry which did not initially participate in the northward colonization of Europe(BS MADE UP STORY-105 AUTHORS AND THAT IS THE BEST THEY CAN COME UP WITH?), but was later brought into Europe by Near Eastern farmers. More speculatively, some basal Eurasian admixture in the Near East may reflect the early presence of anatomically modern humans7 in the Levant, or the populations responsible for the appearance of the Nubian Complex in Arabia8, both of which date much earlier than the widespread dissemination of modern humans across Eurasia. ***Finally***, it could reflect continuing more recent gene flows between the Near East and nearby Africa AFTER the initial out-of- Africa dispersal, perhaps associated with the spread of Y-chromosome haplogroup AFRICAN E subclades from eastern Africa9, 10 into the Near East, which appeared at least 7,000 years ago into Neolithic Europe11.
but, in the absence of ancient DNA from later periods of European history we cannot determine whether this process of admixture was simple and corresponds to an archaeologically visible event, or was more protracted over time. {b]The fact that late Neolithic farmers still resembled Stuttgart[/b] (Fig. 1B) and Early Bronze Age Europeans resembled modern Europeans, at least mitochondrially20, suggests the hypothesis that at least part of the admixture occurred over a relatively short period of time
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2014 19:00:23 GMT -5
The other three populations producing anomalous estimates in Extended Data Table 2 are Ashkenazi Jews, Sicilians, and Maltese. We observed in SI11 that these populations cannot be co-fit in the same admixture graph with most other Europeans, and this suggests that they do not fully trace their ancestry to the same EEF/WHG/ANE elements as most of Europe. Further evidence for this claim is presented in Extended Data Fig. 4 where all three populations have a negative value of f4(Test, Stuttgart; Loschbour, Chimp), and thus are inconsistent with a population of Stuttgart-related ancestry with additional Loschbour-related input, since such a population would have a zero or positive value of the statistic, as most Europeans do. All three populations strongly deviate towards the Near East in Extended Data Fig. 4 and Fig. 1B, and it is likely that they possess Near Eastern ancestry that is not mediated via Stuttgart.
Whatever the explanation for the detected segments of shared IBD, we explored whether the ordering of populations based on the inferred IBD segments mirrored the genetic relationships we inferred
from other aspects of the data. We observe areas of notable concordance. _ Evidence for deep relatedness of Loschbour and Stuttgart. The patterns of IBD sharing of
Loschbour and Stuttgart to other world populations are positively correlated (Figure S14.2). This is consistent with these two populations being deeply related so that they have correlated levels of
shared IBD to non-West Eurasian populations (e.g. Africans or eastern non-Africans). Loschbour shares slightly more IBD tracts with the present-day populations that happen to be in the POPRES
dataset than does Stuttgart (3.18 vs. 3.01, respectively). _ Evidence that Loschbour is genetically closer to northern Europeans and that Stuttgart is
genetically closer to southern Europeans. The top 10 populations in terms of IBD sharing with Loschbour tend to be in northern Europe or migrants from northern Europe. The top 10
populations in terms of IBD sharing with Stuttgart tend to be in southern Europe or migrants from southern Europe. These patterns are consistent with relatively higher proportions of WHG
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2014 19:01:30 GMT -5
Some of this may be heavy...any questions ask? But the 136 pages are condensed above.
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Post by dontethegreat on Mar 28, 2019 14:49:07 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 29, 2019 5:59:26 GMT -5
Not sure if this is a joke or not. But a blue "ring" is not the same as blue iris or depigmented. The blue ring you are seeing is most likely age related tied to eye degeneration as people get older. It is seen in many people of African decent. That does not mean there aren't "pure" African with blue iris. It is seen in 1 in 500 Nigerians,see "Bantu with blue eyes" thread for sources. As for yDNA I. This is typically found in ancient HG Europeans. But is is also found in some Africans but more so in modern Europeans. Not sure if you had a question in there. Also keep in mind it can take as little as 4 generation(100years) to transform from "African looking" to "European looking" phenotypically through modern admixture of humans. But the uniparental markers remain unchanged. So it looks like somewhere back in time during slavery your great grandmother was raped by an European carrying yDNA I. quote "The blue ring around your iris is most likely a corneal arcus—a cholesterol deposit in the eye. ... Corneal arci are considered benign, and usually do not require treatment. This condition should not affect or damage your vision, and while it is common in older patients, it is rare in those under age 40." ![]() So i don't know if this board is still active but, I am a descendant of Haplogroup I-P37. 3 of my y-111 matches have done Big Y test and they come back as 'I-Z27034'. So i ran my dna against Loschbour man and i donot share alot of dna with him but i do share some small amounts of full pairs of dna with him. (front end of chromosome 16) What's interesting is Where we match the dna is from the Sudan. I only have small traces of dna from the Sudan as well. I did a test with ancestry, 23andme and ftdna-y. I also transferred my results to myheritage family finder. They have the origins of my halpogroup's and migration route coming out of Egypt. I am 92-95% African. (From America) I am fairly dark skinned and i have a pretty big Blue Ring around my eyes. I wonder if these traits come from the same group as Loshcbour View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment |
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Post by zarahan on Mar 30, 2019 0:23:47 GMT -5
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Mar 28, 2019 at 3:49pm dontethegreat said:
So i don't know if this board is still active but, I am a descendant of Haplogroup I-P37. 3 of my y-111 matches have done Big Y test and they come back as 'I-Z27034'. So i ran my dna against Loschbour man and i donot share alot of dna with him but i do share some small amounts of full pairs of dna with him. (front end of chromosome 16) What's interesting is Where we match the dna is from the Sudan. I only have small traces of dna from the Sudan as well. I did a test with ancestry, 23andme and ftdna-y. I also transferred my results to myheritage family finder. They have the origins of my halpogroup's and migration route coming out of Egypt. I am 92-95% African. (From America) I am fairly dark skinned and i have a pretty big Blue Ring around my eyes. I wonder if these traits come from the same group as Loshcbou
Might very well be but you don't give any clear percentages or weights. What percent I-P237? 10%? 30%? 60%?
ANd what percent is out of the Sudan versus out of Egypt? In what way do they specify the Haplogroup is
out of Egypt? What parameters are they using? Frequency? Diversity? Presence of unique older markers?
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