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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jun 16, 2014 4:23:59 GMT -5
I don't really get in on these type of topics. But Z-man hit the nail on the head. It is relieving to see that black women are not gold diggers. They stay firm on their ethical principles.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 16, 2014 10:53:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but I think it is the AA guys who are bringing value- whether it be "urban cool", resources/money, looks etc. The AA guys are bringing value or PERCEIVED value and so get some action. But is this how it is now in the 2014s? I mean, yeah I can see in the 1980s/90s there mighta been a certain hip hop or "soul" cool if a black guy from overseas showed up, but is that still there as far as you can see?. And are the ORDINARY AA brothas getting women in the 7-10 range rating or is it the lower-end, last resort fatties on the make (relatively speaking)?
Course the guys from Africa are not getting much love as far as I have heard- given news reports of anti-African bias/prejudice in Italy, France, Spain etc with people disparaging/beating up on African refugees, immigrants etc.. The AA is perceived as "different" from the regular African, hence his value is seen as higher? What do you guys think?
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jun 16, 2014 12:53:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but I think it is the AA guys who are bringing value- whether it be "urban cool", resources/money, looks etc. The AA guys are bringing value or PERCEIVED value and so get some action. But is this how it is now in the 2014s? I mean, yeah I can see in the 1980s/90s there mighta been a certain hip hop or "soul" cool if a black guy from overseas showed up, but is that still there as far as you can see?. And are the ORDINARY AA brothas getting women in the 7-10 range rating or is it the lower-end, last resort fatties on the make (relatively speaking)? Course the guys from Africa are not getting much love as far as I have heard- given news reports of anti-African bias/prejudice in Italy, France, Spain etc with people disparaging/beating up on African refugees, immigrants etc.. The AA is perceived as "different" from the regular African, hence his value is seen as higher? What do you guys think? \ I think there's some truth in that African guys aren't getting that love. I think it's a recent thing due to the refugee situation and all the negative consequences that goes along with that. Most people have a very hard time not thinking one dementionally about people. If all you see are people in hard straights, that's what that group of people represent to you. Africans have a lot of bad press to live down. AA's on the other hand have been viewed as having a certain "it" factor. Ever since the jazz age AA's have had a certain amount of glamor attached to them. Not so much in the US, but definately in Europe. People admired the music, the style and the aura of self confidence they radiated. From what I saw, yes, they were pulling the 7 to 10s. Right behind them were West Indians. Back in the day Harry Belafonte was the IT man. There is a thriving sex tourism trade in the Caribbean. Women from all over the world flock to the Islands looking for love ala "How Stella got her groove back". In the minds of many people, the Western black man equals kool, verility, a gift for gab, sensuality and if he's in shape too, it's a wrap. A lot of women find that irresistable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 18:26:20 GMT -5
Why is white male + Asian female divorce date very low, but black male + white (or asian) female very high?
"Interracial marriages that are most vulnerable involve White females and non-White males (with the exception of White females/Hispanic White males) relative to White/White couples. Conversely, White men/ non-White women couples show either very little or no differences in divorce rates; or, as in the case of White men and Black women, are substantially less likely than White/White couples to divorce by their 10th year.” - “But Will It Last?’’: Marital Instability Among Interracial and Same-Race Couples” Family Relations, 57 (April 2008), 160–171.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jun 16, 2014 20:54:31 GMT -5
Why is white male + Asian female divorce date very low, but black male + white (or asian) female very high? "Interracial marriages that are most vulnerable involve White females and non-White males (with the exception of White females/Hispanic White males) relative to White/White couples. Conversely, White men/ non-White women couples show either very little or no differences in divorce rates; or, as in the case of White men and Black women, are substantially less likely than White/White couples to divorce by their 10th year.” - “But Will It Last?’’: Marital Instability Among Interracial and Same-Race Couples” Family Relations, 57 (April 2008), 160–171. So what's wrong with those white women why they can't stay in a marriage?
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Post by anansi on Jun 16, 2014 22:24:32 GMT -5
Hummph by the looks of things no one is staying together on a permanent basis especially in the west ,divorce rates are pretty high across all groups,the very definition of what constitute marriage and family as we known it is going through radical changes.even in an affluent traditional family type nation like Japan the young are not marrying and not having sex, Japan is having negative growth in population,so much so that entire towns are abandoned to the very old and maternal wards shut down and one school remains open when there used to be about a dozen,for the first time Japan is worried if it can pay-off it's debts due to lack of taxable population while bringing in health care workers from overseas to care for their elderly population,one politician want to change the definition of what is meant to be Japanese something unimaginable to say in public only a few yrs ago.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 16, 2014 22:28:49 GMT -5
"Marriages involving a white husband and black wife were substantially less likely to end in divorce than marriages involving a white husband and white wife; the former pairing’s divorce rate was 44 percent less than the latter.
^^What's interesting is that per the study, in the case of black wife/white husband marriages, divorce by the 10th year of marriage is 44% less likely than among white/white unions. It should also be noted that every census between 1890 and 1940 shows blacks posting higher marriage rates than whites.
Some in the predominantly white PUA community blame the "hypergamy" of white women- supposedly more grasping, more mercenary, more prone to drama, more self-serving, etc etc compared to other women. Some make an exception for foreign white women as compared to US women, but the accuracy of both these theories is unknown.
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Post by zarahan on Jun 16, 2014 22:40:32 GMT -5
AA's on the other hand have been viewed as having a certain "it" factor. Ever since the jazz age AA's have had a certain amount of glamor attached to them. Not so much in the US, but definately in Europe. People admired the music, the style and the aura of self confidence they radiated. From what I saw, yes, they were pulling the 7 to 10s. Right behind them were West Indians. Back in the day Harry Belafonte was the IT man. There is a thriving sex tourism trade in the Caribbean. Women from all over the world flock to the Islands looking for love ala "How Stella got her groove back". In the minds of many people, the Western black man equals kool, verility, a gift for gab, sensuality and if he's in shape too, it's a wrap. A lot of women find that irresistable.
^Given all the negatives stacked against men it hardly seems possible, but what you say has a point. I wonder if it extends partially into the hip hop era. We all know the stats- 70% of rap buyers are white- and this is due in part to marketing machines, or market size, etc but striking nevertheless for a black genre. What is also interesting with this pattern is how young white females sometimes identify with or sought out the aura you speak of. It came home to me one day when I saw a couple of white college girls blasting Tupac. Strangest damn thing I thought. None of these kids would be going up to the hood to hang out with "gangstas" in real life. But somehow, vicariously, via fantasy, via whatever mechanism, there it was.. Yeah some might say they only do it to irritate their parents, piggyback on a trend and so on, but seems to be more to the case than that? Some sort of psychological trigger working underneath above and beyond the usual youth enthusiasm for the trendy? I mean these kids had all the white shock rockers to work with, but they step away from that and embrace rap? An "it" factor at work? Scratch head..
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Post by anansi on Jun 17, 2014 1:12:24 GMT -5
AA's on the other hand have been viewed as having a certain "it" factor. Ever since the jazz age AA's have had a certain amount of glamor attached to them. Not so much in the US, but definately in Europe. People admired the music, the style and the aura of self confidence they radiated. From what I saw, yes, they were pulling the 7 to 10s. Right behind them were West Indians. Back in the day Harry Belafonte was the IT man. There is a thriving sex tourism trade in the Caribbean. Women from all over the world flock to the Islands looking for love ala "How Stella got her groove back". In the minds of many people, the Western black man equals kool, verility, a gift for gab, sensuality and if he's in shape too, it's a wrap. A lot of women find that irresistable. ^Given all the negatives stacked against men it hardly seems possible, but what you say has a point. I wonder if it extends partially into the hip hop era. We all know the stats- 70% of rap buyers are white- and this is due in part to marketing machines, or market size, etc but striking nevertheless for a black genre. What is also interesting with this pattern is how young white females sometimes identify with or sought out the aura you speak of. It came home to me one day when I saw a couple of white college girls blasting Tupac. Strangest damn thing I thought. None of these kids would be going up to the hood to hang out with "gangstas" in real life. But somehow, vicariously, via fantasy, via whatever mechanism, there it was.. Yeah some might say they only do it to irritate their parents, piggyback on a trend and so on, but seems to be more to the case than that? Some sort of psychological trigger working underneath above and beyond the usual youth enthusiasm for the trendy? I mean these kids had all the white shock rockers to work with, but they step away from that and embrace rap? An "it" factor at work? Scratch head.. Naaw It's older much older than most of us think ever read a Thousand and One Nights?? where not even the Queens and concubines could avoid being drawn into illicit sexual relations with a Black even if he were a common slave. ROME^.Tied to this in my opinion may be the earlier worship of the massively endowed Bes and Min who later became Pan in the Mediterranean the most authentic of which maybe overseen by African priest Kemitian or Kushities. Also part of the legacy of the curse of Ham story is a curious revised part about Ham and his descendants should be cursed by large members. I do not know if the Babylonian Talmud actually said that, but the association of Blacks with well endowed members have been around for quite awhile this stereotype seemed to have been the basis for some folks who are non blacks to hamper progress of black males,all else being equal is fear they could loose out sexually to them as well. WWI coin depicting German woman enslaved to a giant black male member,keep in mind that sex,politics and economics goes hand in hand think back in ancient and pre-modern times when Blacks were at or near the top of the food chain in the areas around the Med in the very masculine occupation of Soldiery, when you are not only being dominated by a Black ruler in some far off palace who you will never see, but have to deal with Black military men in your face who had power he had money and that accursed male member of his and your mate may very run off with him because those things combined.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jun 17, 2014 9:03:38 GMT -5
AA's on the other hand have been viewed as having a certain "it" factor. Ever since the jazz age AA's have had a certain amount of glamor attached to them. Not so much in the US, but definately in Europe. People admired the music, the style and the aura of self confidence they radiated. From what I saw, yes, they were pulling the 7 to 10s. Right behind them were West Indians. Back in the day Harry Belafonte was the IT man. There is a thriving sex tourism trade in the Caribbean. Women from all over the world flock to the Islands looking for love ala "How Stella got her groove back". In the minds of many people, the Western black man equals kool, verility, a gift for gab, sensuality and if he's in shape too, it's a wrap. A lot of women find that irresistable. ^Given all the negatives stacked against men it hardly seems possible, but what you say has a point. I wonder if it extends partially into the hip hop era. We all know the stats- 70% of rap buyers are white- and this is due in part to marketing machines, or market size, etc but striking nevertheless for a black genre. What is also interesting with this pattern is how young white females sometimes identify with or sought out the aura you speak of. It came home to me one day when I saw a couple of white college girls blasting Tupac. Strangest damn thing I thought. None of these kids would be going up to the hood to hang out with "gangstas" in real life. But somehow, vicariously, via fantasy, via whatever mechanism, there it was.. Yeah some might say they only do it to irritate their parents, piggyback on a trend and so on, but seems to be more to the case than that? Some sort of psychological trigger working underneath above and beyond the usual youth enthusiasm for the trendy? I mean these kids had all the white shock rockers to work with, but they step away from that and embrace rap? An "it" factor at work? Scratch head.. Do you think the failure of white women non white male marriages might be in some way down to this factor? I mean, there are certain women who are attracted to a certain image rather than the actual person, "racist love". I've seen interacial relationships hit the rocks many times and I noticed that the problem was in the type of black men these women gravitate to. They never go for the well educated stable types. They always go for the hood types. I think for many of these women there is the attraction if the forbidden fruit combined with the idea of what being "a real black man" is. You're not really black unless you're a gangsta. Undoubtedly many of them are probably doing it to piss dad off on some level. For some, it's the thing a lot of women suffer from, the bad boy syndrome. A corporate dude with a good education and stable career isn't exciting, a thug is. Needless to say, once they get married, reality sets in and it goes down the drain. In all truthfulness though, I think surveys like this are useless because they can't and don't provide any insights into the minds of these people. You have no idea what the'r mentality is or what their motivations are. Real life is not lived on paper but in the tangable world. The low rates of white women seeking black mates could be down to many factors, #1: the fact that we tend to live in segragated communities, even in situations where both peole are on equal economic levels, lack of familiarity creates fear and mistrust. #2: Even thouh things are better, there is still a lot of negative pressure put on women to not cross the line. It takes a very strong person to have the courage to go against the opinions of family, friends, community and pick that forbidden fruit. Doesn't mean they don't want to, but that they're afraid of the consequences for themselves, their mates, their children. It has nothing to do with whether or not there are good black men out there, we all know there are tons of them. It's the fear. Quite honestly, who could blame them? Why would a person choose to put themselves in a life long situation where they're always going to be fighting a battle of one kind or another? Personally, I would never consider marrying a white woman unless she was of the temperment and mentality to know the realities that come with marrying a man of color and the presures faced by children of color. More important, that she know or have some sort of clue as to the importance of raising children of color to have pride in themselves. My woman would have to be someone who I knew had my back and understood life from my perspective. The tree hugging lets sit round the fier singing kumbayah types, oh heeeeeell no! The second the plane hits a little turbulance they looking for a parachute. My woman would have to be back to back, let's kick some ass together. If you can't be in it to win it if and when the going gets rough o even have a clue as to what my life is like or where I'm coming from, ya need to get to steppin! I'll deal with a Latina first because at least she knows what it's like to be a person of color in this society. Where I am, most Latinos are also people of African descent as well, so there are cultural connections we share. In my experience there are many black man/Latina unions and they are just as stable or unstable as black/black, latino/latino unions.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jun 18, 2014 17:54:31 GMT -5
Also part of the legacy of the curse of Ham story is a curious revised part about Ham and his descendants should be cursed by large members. I do not know if the Babylonian Talmud actually said that, ... There is no 'shamefully elongated penis' in the Talmud Babli. That phrase appears in a post transAtlantic trade edition of a different Jewish work, the Tanhuma. I do remember something in a midrash about some endowed rabbi who smashed pots with his penis
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Post by jameshoward015 on Jun 19, 2014 6:18:41 GMT -5
Now a days I have seen many white man fall in love with a black women, even my self i like black women.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jun 19, 2014 8:30:29 GMT -5
Now a days I have seen many white man fall in love with a black women, even my self i like black women. And I think this gets to the crux of the issue at hand. Things like this are not scientific findings. They can't really tell us anything useful about the actuality of real life situation. All they can tell us about, maybe, are the preferences of the people who choose to participate in such sites. The black or white men who go there are those who, for whatever reasons, tend to prefer Asian women. It doesn't mean that black and white men in the general population share that same attraction. When all is said and done, it's real life interaction that determines who one really falls in love with, not superficial characteristics you see on a computer screen. This is why the rates of people who actually find satisfying relationships on line is so low.
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Post by rivertemz on Jun 19, 2014 18:55:08 GMT -5
Also part of the legacy of the curse of Ham story is a curious revised part about Ham and his descendants should be cursed by large members. I do not know if the Babylonian Talmud actually said that, ... There is no 'shamefully elongated penis' in the Talmud Babli. That phrase appears in a post transAtlantic trade edition of a different Jewish work, the Tanhuma. I do remember something in a midrash about some endowed rabbi who smashed pots with his penis So this was a jewish proverb ?? sickening, how do they come up with these things?
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Post by zarahan on Jun 25, 2014 15:49:32 GMT -5
Personally, I would never consider marrying a white woman unless she was of the temperment and mentality to know the realities that come with marrying a man of color and the presures faced by children of color. More important, that she know or have some sort of clue as to the importance of raising children of color to have pride in themselves. My woman would have to be someone who I knew had my back and understood life from my perspective. The tree hugging lets sit round the fier singing kumbayah types, oh heeeeeell no! The second the plane hits a little turbulance they looking for a parachute. My woman would have to be back to back, let's kick some ass together. If you can't be in it to win it if and when the going gets rough o even have a clue as to what my life is like or where I'm coming from, ya need to get to steppin! I'll deal with a Latina first because at least she knows what it's like to be a person of color in this society. Where I am, most Latinos are also people of African descent as well, so there are cultural connections we share. In my experience there are many black man/Latina unions and they are just as stable or unstable as black/black, latino/latino unions.
Good take. I think this is the deal, although I know some black military guys out there who argue for the opposite strategy. They hold that the LESS their IR partner knows about American racial hangups, the better and the less baggage. Hence they favor foreign women like from Germany where some were stationed. They claim that at least the women they dated or married were flexible enough to adapt to the IR thing and did not have the fear or anxiety an American white girl would have. These girls apparently just went about their relationship in a matter-of-fact fashion without looking over their shoulder every 5 minutes. They claim they found this to be more relaxing and made for a smoother relationship.
Another guy stationed stateside claimed that he struck gold when he gave up looking for someone who was super-educated on race issues. He found he was virtually demanding that his prospects have a PhD in sociology or something. When he starting hanging out with ordinary blue-collar white gals, without looking for a virtual college professor or CNN anchor, the prospects looked a lot better and were more plentiful. He has taken some flak cuz he didn't get a college educated type, but he is on his 8th year of marriage so far, which is better that a lot of more high-powered hookups. I ain't 100% convinced but I guess this particular "end run" approach worked for these guys.
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