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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jul 17, 2014 15:09:18 GMT -5
So. Is this why Gayism is on the increase? Is this their attempt to justify Gayism
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The past 200,000 years of human cultural evolution have witnessed the persistent establishment of behaviors involving innovation, planning depth, and abstract and symbolic thought, or what has been called “behavioral modernity.” Demographic models based on increased human population density from the late Pleistocene onward have been increasingly invoked to understand the emergence of behavioral modernity. However, high levels of social tolerance, as seen among living humans, are a necessary prerequisite to life at higher population densities and to the kinds of cooperative cultural behaviors essential to these demographic models. Here we provide data on craniofacial FEMINIZATION (reduction in average brow ridge projection and shortening of the upper facial skeleton) in Homo sapiens from the Middle Pleistocene to recent times. We argue that temporal changes in human craniofacial morphology reflect reductions in average androgen reactivity (lower levels of adult circulating testosterone or reduced androgen receptor densities),= more gays? which in turn reflect the evolution of enhanced social tolerance since the Middle Pleistocene.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 17, 2014 15:58:58 GMT -5
So. Is this why Gayism is on the increase? Is this their attempt to justify Gayism Abstract: The past 200,000 years of human cultural evolution have witnessed the persistent establishment of behaviors involving innovation, planning depth, and abstract and symbolic thought, or what has been called “behavioral modernity.” Demographic models based on increased human population density from the late Pleistocene onward have been increasingly invoked to understand the emergence of behavioral modernity. However, high levels of social tolerance, as seen among living humans, are a necessary prerequisite to life at higher population densities and to the kinds of cooperative cultural behaviors essential to these demographic models. Here we provide data on craniofacial FEMINIZATION (reduction in average brow ridge projection and shortening of the upper facial skeleton) in Homo sapiens from the Middle Pleistocene to recent times. We argue that temporal changes in human craniofacial morphology reflect reductions in average androgen reactivity (lower levels of adult circulating testosterone or reduced androgen receptor densities),= more gays? which in turn reflect the evolution of enhanced social tolerance since the Middle Pleistocene. How do you make the jump from the evolution of human cranial morphology to homosexuality? This abstract has nothing to do with human sexuality, homosexual or heterosexual, much less an agenda of any kind.
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Post by azrur on Jul 17, 2014 23:00:23 GMT -5
justifying homosexual with correlation of more social tolerance (what does that mean?)??
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jul 18, 2014 10:27:57 GMT -5
What does it all mean?
Answer: Men are becoming feminine cross dressers ...it is natural evolution (sic).
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 18, 2014 11:08:22 GMT -5
What does it all mean? Answer: Men are becoming feminine cross dressers ...it is natural evolution (sic). That's not what it means. First of all, realize that they are talking about humans in general, not just men. When they talk about feminization they are talking about the shift in facial structure of both men and women from the heavy browridges of early homonids like Neanderthals, to the softer features of Modern humans. They say that this evolutionary proccess took place in the mid Pleistocene period. The Pleistocene era spanned between 2.6 million years ago to 11,600 or 11,700 yrs ago. They speculate that the reduction in the size of human facial bone structure was due to a decrease in the levels of testosterone, that would be in humans as a whole, men and women. Furthermore, they speculate that the reduction of testosteone in humans would have contributed to greater degrees of social tolerance in human interactions. It is true that higher levels of testosterone will cause higher levels of agression and rage. That's why bodybuilders who abouse testosterone increasing steroids experience what is called roid rage. Levels of testosterone have absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation. If that were the case, we could "cure" homosexuality with testosterone therapy. I fail to see the logic of this thread. What agenda are you speaking of? It would suggest that homosexuals are somehow controling human evolution. Furthermore the assumption that homosexuality is restricted to men and has something to do with femininity is innaccurate. How then do explain all the feminine girly girl women who are lesbians? How do you explain all of the super masculine men who are gay? How do you explain the fact that homosexual behavior, historically has been very high among male worrior societies? The Spartans in Greece, The Samori in Japan, The Janissaries in Ottoman Turkey, The pirate societies of the Caribbean all practices forms of homosexual activity. Furthermore, such activity did not prevent them from taking female wives and having children. The Spartans and Samuri both had traditions of older men taking younger men as lovers, however, both were also expected to marry and have children once they reached a certain age. Take for example the case of Alexander the Great's father Philip of Macedonia who had many male lovers. In fact, he was killed by a jilted lover on the night of his wedding. It was only in the 20th century that the notion that a man could only have sexual or romantic feelings for one or the other sex came into being. Before that, it was generally accepted that a man could have feelings and attractions for either sex. What he did was his own business as long as he fulfilled his role in society as a man, got married, had kids, what hole he stuck his thing in made no difference.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jul 18, 2014 14:09:27 GMT -5
Hope you see it my way…..
Quote: They speculate that the reduction in the size of human facial bone structure was due to a decrease in the levels of testosterone=maleness, that would be in humans as a whole, men and women. Furthermore, they speculate that the reduction of testosteone in humans would have contributed to greater degrees of social tolerance in human interactions. It is true that higher levels of testosterone will cause higher levels of agression and rage. Masculinity.
Levels of testosterone have absolutely nothing a lot to do with sexual orientation.
If that were the case, we could "cure" homosexuality with testosterone therapy. The gay agenda is social.
It would suggest that homosexuals are somehow controling human evolution.
No, they are using the “study”’ to support their gay agenda.
How do you explain all of the super masculine men who are gay?
The gay agenda is social.
How do you explain the fact that homosexual behavior, historically has been very high among male worrior societies?
Says who?
Before that, it was generally accepted that a man could have feelings and attractions for either sex.
That idea is revolting….Loving your dad is one thing. Screwing a buddy is another. Gag!
Sorry!
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 18, 2014 19:08:19 GMT -5
Hope you see it my way….. Quote: They speculate that the reduction in the size of human facial bone structure was due to a decrease in the levels of testosterone=maleness, that would be in humans as a whole, men and women. Furthermore, they speculate that the reduction of testosteone in humans would have contributed to greater degrees of social tolerance in human interactions. It is true that higher levels of testosterone will cause higher levels of agression and rage. Masculinity. Levels of testosterone have absolutely nothing a lot to do with sexual orientation. If that were the case, we could "cure" homosexuality with testosterone therapy. The gay agenda is social.And where does the article say anything about sexuality, social or otherwise? Where are you getting this idea from? This article has nothing to do with sexuality.It would suggest that homosexuals are somehow controling human evolution. No, they are using the “study”’ to support their gay agenda. Again, where are you getting this from? I don't see anything here about sex. It's talking about the evolution physical facial characeristics. How do you go from that to being gay?How do you explain all of the super masculine men who are gay? The gay agenda is social. Make up your mind. Which is it? Is homosexuality caused by a decrease in testerone or is it social? Look, I'm almost 50yrs old. I've had people tell me to suck their dick all my life, I never thought to myself, "you know what? That's a good idea". I doubt you're going to have straight men start screwing each other in the butt just because there's nothing good on cable. Exactly how does this social mind control work and where in this article does it say anything about that?How do you explain the fact that homosexual behavior, historically has been very high among male worrior societies? Says who?Pick up a history book some time. But if you don't believe me, google search homosexuality in the ancient world, or homosexuality in Sparta, or homosexuality in Samuri society, or pirates and homosexuality..... These are just well known facts. Do you need me to provide you with pictures?Before that, it was generally accepted that a man could have feelings and attractions for either sex. That idea is revolting….Loving your dad is one thing. Screwing a buddy is another. Gag!Sorry! That was the reality of the world until quite recently in Western society. Other thing you need to know about homosexuality is that gay life as we know it today didn't exist until the 20th century. There was no such thing as a gay life style or a gay community. Being a man was defined as being able to perform the active role in sex, whether that was with a young man or a woman. A grown man who allowed himself to be penetrated was seen as being disgraced. In Greece this is why the form of same sex interaction was between older man and young man or boy. Once a male reached the age of adulthood, he was expected to get married, have children and to take the active role in sex if he had a male lover. In Rome it was a little different. Sex was seen as an expression of masculine power. It was considered disgraceful to penetrate a young man who was a Roman citizen because Romans were considered to be the masters of the world and a Roman had to be taught how to dominate, not be dominated. However, a Roman man could use his slaves, male or female, however he wanted to. Why? Because it meant he was the boss, he was in control, he was dominant. If you want to see a modern day equivalent, just consider what happens in prison within our society today. A man who gets penitrated is a punk or a sissy. The man who penetrates is top dog.
Just a suggestion, but before you start speaking about homosexuality, you might want to actually do some research about what you are talking about. Sorry but this article and your opinion is way off track to anyone with a basic knowledge of human sexuality and history. No offence.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jul 19, 2014 5:58:21 GMT -5
I am not sure how to respond to the above. I am speechless. Justifying male penetrating males...most I can say, it is revolting.
I am not offended. I am sick to my stomach at how this is being pushed as being "normal". If white men want to "penetrate" each other let them.
1. From a scientific perspective it is biological/evolutionary dead end 2. It is against the Egyptian laws of Maat. Thus unAfrican 3. And it is you are christian, it unChristian.
So...I am not sure where you are getting the idea that it is acceptable social behaviour.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 19, 2014 9:16:20 GMT -5
I am not sure how to respond to the above. I am speechless. Justifying male penetrating males...most I can say, it is revolting. I'm not justifying anything. I'm just letting you know what the reality of life is. Whether we like it or not, it is a part of the human experience. Sexuality, like other aspects of the human reality is not simple cut and dry. People are not simply good or bad, fat or thin. There is a whole range of diversity. We recognize that the human mind is a very complex thing, so why should we expect that an aspect of it, sexuality, would be simple? It isn't. it is just as complicated as any other aspect of the human mind.I am not offended. I am sick to my stomach at how this is being pushed as being "normal". If white men want to "penetrate" each other let them. Like it or not, if you find this type of behavior occuring with high frequency around the world and throughout the corse of human history then it is normal. It may not be what floats your boat, but hey... Just look at other areas of human appitie, like food. Is there really anything that is "normal"? I'm sure you love you a slice of ham now or then or some crispy beacon, yet there are places in the world where that delicious slice of swine is considered revolting. In Mexico they eat insects. In China, they eat dos, in many parts of Afric they eat all kinds of things that I wouldn't let near my mouth even if I was starving. Who am I to tell them that they are less than human for eating what they eat?
Further more, this isn't something white men invented. You find it as I said in Japan. You also find it in Persia, China, India, Arabia. You find it amongst the Native Americans like the Navaho. In fact they considered effeminate men to be twin spirited, male and female and therefore more in touch with the spiritual world. these individuals were often revered healers and shamans and they did marry people who were considered ordinary men. You find it in the Pacific Islands. In Fiji there is the tradition of the Fafafine. When a family doesn't have a girl to do the traditionally female work in the family, they will raise the youngest boy as a girl. So as you can see, this is by far not limited to so called white men. It exists and has existed in every corner of the world since god invented dirt.1. From a scientific perspective it is biological/evolutionary dead end And yet it idn't stop the Greeks, Romans, Japanese, Turks, Indians and Persians just to name a few from having female wives and having children. The fact of the matter is, that until European psychologist invented the notion that human sexuality was cut and dry, ( homosexual or heterosexual) the overwhelming majority of men who we would consider gay, got married and fathered children. The poster boy for homosexuality in the English speaking world was a playwrite named Oscar Wilde. He was married and had at least on child that I know of. And even though he had a same sex attraction, he deeply loved his wife, so, go figure. It would seem to me, based on the evidence, that sexuality is far more complex than we have been lead to believe. Saying that a man who finds another man attractive is in capable of loving and having sex with a woman is like saying if you like chocolate you can't possably like vanilla. If someone told you that, you would thing they were stupid. Even if you personally didn't like vanilla, you would recognize the fact that millions of people do and even people who prefere chocolate, will occasionaly have a scoop of chocolate. They might even have a scoop of each at the same time. Yes, shocking isn't it!?Here's something else to consider, just for shits and giggles: NOT ALL HOMOSEXUALS LIKE ANAL SEX, whether that is being the giver or the receiver. This sex thing is starting to get more complicated by the minute. And then wha are we to make of al the heterosexual men who like their wives, girl friends or a hooker to wear a strap on and plunge them in their sewer pipe? [/b] 2. It is against the Egyptian laws of Maat. Thus unAfrican First of all, Egypt doesn't represent the whole of Africa. It never did, so no. It's not un African. It was against the moral hangups of the religious ruling elite. But consider this, you don't tell people not to do something that doesn't exist. So if you say don't do XYZ, it must mean that there are enough people doing it for it to bother you. So trust me, there was lots of butt sex happening in Egypt. And while they may have spoken out against sodomy, for some reason, they had no problem with incest. These were the same people who had no problem screwing their sisters. Talk about a scientific dead end. We all know what kind of kids you get when you do that now don't we and some how, the wisdom of MAAT failed to send them a memeo. Don't know about you, but the thought of screwing any of my sisters is beyond revolting.
As for the rest of Africa. Well just consider that in every region the Europeans, especially the English colonized, they introduced Christianity and they made laws outlawing sodomy. If there was no type of butt sex happening in Africa, why make a law to prevent it? 3. And it is you are christian, it unChristian. And thank God I'm not for a whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with butt sex.... But lets just consider how rampant the sexual abuse of boys and young men has been in the llargest Christian organization in the entire world. The one organization that is responsable for spreading the belife that God had a son who was into S&M died, came back to life and flew away, all around the world. And it is documented that this same organization, while condemning homosexual behavior, even burning people alive for it at times, was didling boys and young men behind closed doors. There's documentation going back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries throughout the Christian Roman Empire complaining of priests abusing boys, sooo....... But since we're on the topic of what's christian, or Biblical or not, let me ask you a question. Are you married? If so, were you AND your wife both virgins on your wedding night? If you aren't married, are you a virgin? Do you have any idea what the penalty for having premarital sex is according to the laws of Leviticus? Death by stoning. Should we stone all the men and women who are not virgins? So...I am not sure where you are getting the idea that it is acceptable social behaviour.[/quote] Once again, it has nothing to do with what I personally condone or not. It's about the reality of what is. Once again, if you're going to write about something, educate yourself about it first. What is considered taboo changes over time and from society to society. The way something is expressed or dealt with in western society is not the same way it is handled in other societies. In many places in the world, whatever a boy or man does sexually, so long as it is discreete is tolerated, as long as it doesn't interfere with him fullfilling his role as a husband, father and provider for his family. In some societies its considered normal and desierable to cut off a woman's clitorus, cut of the vaginal lips and sew her pussy shut so she remains a virgin. Somehow MAAT didn't send the memeo out on that one either. Bottom line is this, himans get up to all kinds of antics, but personally I have to say on the level of outrage and disgust, I'd have to put sister fuking and genital mutilation on the top of my list above butt sex. As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't involve kids, disfigurement and torture or the possability of producing mentally and genetically defective kids, I could give a crap what two consenting abults do in the privacy of their own homes. Seems to me that the solution to this "problem" would have been for everybody to mind their damn business. But Western governmnets and the chruches, felt the need to invade people's lives and tell them what they could or couldn't do. I'm surprised they didn't try to tell people how to wash their asses while they were at it. This is what has created to gay lifestyle that we see now. Before western psychologists created the notion of homosexuality as a mental disorder, (which they could charge you to cure... there;s always a money trail somewhere), most men who had same sex attractions were perfectly happy to remain in the closet and get married. Comes the 60's and the sexual revolution and stright people are screwing in the streets in your face. Then the police start raiding clubs for gays, hidden in remote parts of town, underground and hidden. They were still perfectly fine with remaining in the closet. If society had just left them the hell alone the closet doors would have stayed shut just like they always were and stil are in most of the world. But come Stone Wall that closet got blown wide open and ther's no putting that genie back in the bottle now. So like it or not, it's us, the socalled straight world, that is responsable for the seeming explosion of homosexuality. To me the cure then, is for all of us to mind our damn business. As long as no one is forcing you or your children to do something against your will, butt out!
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Post by zarahan on Jul 20, 2014 17:42:22 GMT -5
truthteacher said: The one organization that is responsable for spreading the belife that God had a son who was into S&M died, came back to life and flew away, all around the world. If you are claiming the above is Christian doctrine you are spouting complete nonsense and need yourself to do some research before making such bogus claims. If any Catholic is making such a claim that too is complete nonsense, but nothing in Catholic doctrine teaches any such doctrine as "into S&M", or flying away all around the world. Nothing in the religious doctrine of Christian Nubia, or Ethiopia teaches any such thing either. You say XYZ needs to educate himself, but it may be that you too obviously know little about Christianity and may need to educate your own self. But if this is not your conception of Christianity or its founder ("into S&M"), please clarify. Mayhaps you mean to draw a distinction between Christianity and the particular claims or bad practices of this one particular church. As for the Catholic church, yes I agree it should be condemned for its child abuse. How do you make the jump from the evolution of human cranial morphology to homosexuality? This abstract has nothing to do with human sexuality, homosexual or heterosexual, much less an agenda of any kind. Agreed. I might be too far a leap XYZ makes about the cranio changes being an into to being gay. To me the cure then, is for all of us to mind our damn business. I got no problem with this on the gay thing - live and let live... This does not mean everyone has to agree on a particular agenda or policy. --------------------------------------------------------- XYZ says: So. Is this why Gayism is on the increase? Is this their attempt to justify Gayism
Abstract:
The past 200,000 years of human cultural evolution have witnessed the persistent establishment of behaviors involving innovation, planning depth, and abstract and symbolic thought, or what has been called “behavioral modernity.” Demographic models based on increased human population density from the late Pleistocene onward have been increasingly invoked to understand the emergence of behavioral modernity. However, high levels of social tolerance, as seen among living humans, are a necessary prerequisite to life at higher population densities and to the kinds of cooperative cultural behaviors essential to these demographic models. Here we provide data on craniofacial FEMINIZATION (reduction in average brow ridge projection and shortening of the upper facial skeleton) in Homo sapiens from the Middle Pleistocene to recent times. We argue that temporal changes in human craniofacial morphology reflect reductions in average androgen reactivity (lower levels of adult circulating testosterone or reduced androgen receptor densities),= more gays? which in turn reflect the evolution of enhanced social tolerance since the Middle Pleistocene.I don't quite see this as a lead in to homosexuality. It is talking about a process affecting all humans. Who is using the above as a justification for homosexuality? Gay activists on the web? If so they are making quite a stretch. I see several weaknesses in any such stretch based on this study: 1-- Reduction in the brow ridges and shortening of the face can also be functions of climate and environmental factors and may have little strong link with reduction of testosterone. 2-- If testosterone reduction was indeed a factor causing the physical changes, this still does not provide any credible link with "greater tolerance" or as the authors attempt to stretch it- the expansion of art, technology, food harvesting, building or symbolic processing in Europe circa 50-40 or 30kya. "Greater social tolerance" for example could be brought abut by an economic activity requiring large scale cooperation such as mass hunts or harvesting. Rather than tiny groups competing against one another the new resource requires cooperation cross wide areas to harvest. I don't see "feminization" as any primary cause of such patterns. 3-- As credible scholars show any so called "cognitive revolution" in humanity did not occur in Europe but first in Africa. Having alleged "revolutions" occur in Europe is is flattering to the racist "HBD" set but the claim is shaky, even bogus in its extreme variants, as shown in other threads: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1291/cro-magnonsXYZ says: Levels of testosterone have --- a lot to do with sexual orientation. On what basis this statement XYZ? Do you have some studies on hand showing gays have less testosterone than straights? XYZ says: TT How do you explain the fact that homosexual behavior, historically has been very high among male worrior societies?
Says who? The Spartans were into the homosexual thing big time. TT is correct on that score at least. What does it all mean? Answer: Men are becoming feminine cross dressers ...it is natural evolution (sic).^^I think the cranial changes are a stretch if any are claiming this as a step in evolution. But some claim to have the answer by looking at IQ, holding that some data shows that gays have higher IQ than straights.(See for example: John P. De Cecco, Michael G. Shively (1984) Bisexual and homosexual identities: critical theoretical issues.) Other studies report higher verbal IQ scores among gays (Lewis Aiken. 2004. Assessment of Intellectual functioning.) Their argument is that with certain groups in humanity being smarter (as shown by their higher IQs), then the trend in evolution is towards more homosexuality. Hence, proponents argue, stop opposing progressive things such as gay marriage or more gay orientation for it is a foreordained trend, one being pioneered by higher IQ.
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Post by anansi on Jul 20, 2014 19:48:42 GMT -5
My take on the whole gay rights thing, two people of the same sex who want marry each other is a contract between those people what they do or don't for sex I won't get into that,just like I won't get into what kind of sex straight people get into,I am more concern with abuse and hypocrisy closeted gay leaders both political and clergy met out to out of the closeted gay people for inevitably they all get busted,as to ancient times in Africa,I am sure gay sex existed even in Egypt. Sculpture of Erotic Group Despite the overtly sexual imagery, this composition has important religious content. The procreative union recalls the birth of Horus after the murdered Osiris posthumously impregnated his wife Isis. This legend, one of ancient Egypt's most important myths, was associated with fertility and resurrection. The six small figures probably represent priests. The bound oryx held by the two attendants at the right signifies the destruction of evil and reinforces Osiris's triumph.
Medium: Limestone, painted Place Made: Alexandria, Egypt Dates: 305-30 B.C.E. Period: early Ptolemaic Periodlink[/a It'd be nice to blame the Greeks for the above,but another one of their exception was with cult of Mendes Now I am not by any means equating apparent bestiality with gay sex but this thing was shocking to me when I first saw it,now understand that societies have their ideals but the reality is alot of folks who created and police those those ideals failed to live up to them be they people of the book or not,and they were always exceptions to the rule. As to the rest of Africa my guess it would have been weird but not unknown for there was no official gay people.one would have to look into the Herem life of the elites to see what they had.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 20, 2014 20:32:15 GMT -5
truthteacher said: The one organization that is responsable for spreading the belife that God had a son who was into S&M died, came back to life and flew away, all around the world. If you are claiming the above is Christian doctrine you are spouting complete nonsense and need yourself to do some research before making such bogus claims. If any Catholic is making such a claim that too is complete nonsense, but nothing in Catholic doctrine teaches any such doctrine as "into S&M", or flying away all around the world. Nothing in the religious doctrine of Christian Nubia, or Ethiopia teaches any such thing either. You say XYZ needs to educate himself, but it may be that you too obviously know little about Christianity and may need to educate your own self. But if this is not your conception of Christianity or its founder ("into S&M"), please clarify. Mayhaps you mean to draw a distinction between Christianity and the particular claims or bad practices of this one particular church. I was being sarcastic, (why should anybody be surprised by now?). S&M= Jesus willingly turning himself over to Romans to beat and torutre him. According to doctrine and scripture, he did die, he did come back to life and he did ascend to heaven infront of witnesses, therefore, he flew away. I think I was being nice. At least I didn't make any zombi cracks.
I am very well aware of what the doctrine of christianity is. My grandfather was a minister, my maternal side was Catholic and Pentacostal and my step father's family are Jehova's Witnesses. I was confirmed a Catholic before "becoming saved" and becoming a Pentacostal. I have some very deep seated issues boardering on hatred for the crap they put me through.Believe me when I tell you, you don't know the half of what I've been through. Let's just say I was luckier than my cousine who had 3 nervous brakedowns and was institutionalized twice behind that crap. I had the good sense to leave when I found my mind slipping. So no, Christians and christianity is NOT my cup of tea. I got good reason to hate them. I'll be the first to tell you when it comes to churches I got more issues than the New York Times. I'm working on getting over it, but still ain't there yet. What can I say, I'm a work in progress... After seing and experiencing the damage that is often done at the hands of socalled Christians I made the decision to worship the creator in my own way. Currently, I follow the Yoruba tradition. Fully aware that many in this religion are also as crazy as bat shit, but at least I don't have to be tied to any dogma, If I have a different view on something, or I don't agree with what is being done, or said, I am free to voice my opinion, there's no idea of a hell I'm going to burn in, no devil to blame when I or someone else is being a fktard. My god parents are sane level headed people and if I should ever decide to leave, I'm free to do so without the fear of retribution or ostrasization from any one. I find it more life affirming and positive. Okay, that's enough of my baggage...As for the Catholic church, yes I agree it should be condemned for its child abuse. Child abuse is just the tip of the iceburge. Illigitamate children, mistresses, prostitution. Protestan clergy is no better. While they mind fk everybody into being giulty about their sex drives, they're busy screwing everything that's not fast enough to get away.How do you make the jump from the evolution of human cranial morphology to homosexuality? This abstract has nothing to do with human sexuality, homosexual or heterosexual, much less an agenda of any kind. Agreed. I might be too far a leap XYZ makes about the cranio changes being an into to being gay. To me the cure then, is for all of us to mind our damn business. I got no problem with this on the gay thing - live and let live... Exactly. Especially since we don't have "the cure". Whether we like it or not, they're going to do what they want to do, so why worry about that which we can't change. I don't want anyone telling me what to do, so I don't think I have the right to do it to others.--------------------------------------------------------- XYZ says: So. Is this why Gayism is on the increase? Is this their attempt to justify Gayism
Abstract:
The past 200,000 years of human cultural evolution have witnessed the persistent establishment of behaviors involving innovation, planning depth, and abstract and symbolic thought, or what has been called “behavioral modernity.” Demographic models based on increased human population density from the late Pleistocene onward have been increasingly invoked to understand the emergence of behavioral modernity. However, high levels of social tolerance, as seen among living humans, are a necessary prerequisite to life at higher population densities and to the kinds of cooperative cultural behaviors essential to these demographic models. Here we provide data on craniofacial FEMINIZATION (reduction in average brow ridge projection and shortening of the upper facial skeleton) in Homo sapiens from the Middle Pleistocene to recent times. We argue that temporal changes in human craniofacial morphology reflect reductions in average androgen reactivity (lower levels of adult circulating testosterone or reduced androgen receptor densities),= more gays? which in turn reflect the evolution of enhanced social tolerance since the Middle Pleistocene.I don't quite see this as a lead in to homosexuality. It is talking about a process affecting all humans. Who is using the above as a justification for homosexuality? Gay activists on the web? If so they are making quite a stretch. I see several weaknesses in any such stretch based on this study: 1-- Reduction in the brow ridges and shortening of the face can also be functions of climate and environmental factors and may have little strong link with reduction of testosterone. 2-- If testosterone reduction was indeed a factor causing the physical changes, this still does not provide any credible link with "greater tolerance" or as the authors attempt to stretch it- the expansion of art, technology, food harvesting, building or symbolic processing in Europe circa 50-40 or 30kya. "Greater social tolerance" for example could be brought abut by an economic activity requiring large scale cooperation such as mass hunts or harvesting. Rather than tiny groups competing against one another the new resource requires cooperation cross wide areas to harvest. I don't see "feminization" as any primary cause of such patterns. 3-- As credible scholars show any so called "cognitive revolution" in humanity did not occur in Europe but first in Africa. Having alleged "revolutions" occur in Europe is is flattering to the racist "HBD" set but the claim is shaky, even bogus in its extreme variants, as shown in other threads: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1291/cro-magnonsI totally agree. For one thing, there's no way that they could actually test for testosterone levels to make comparisons. All this is is a guess. XYZ says: Levels of testosterone have --- a lot to do with sexual orientation. On what basis this statement XYZ? Do you have some studies on hand showing gays have less testosterone than straights? True. If all it took was upping testosterone, the medical establishment and psychiatry would have long had the "cure". Besides all the gay body builders who are on testosterone boosting drugs would have turnedXYZ says: TT How do you explain the fact that homosexual behavior, historically has been very high among male worrior societies?
Says who? The Spartans were into the homosexual thing big time. TT is correct on that score at least. What does it all mean? Answer: Men are becoming feminine cross dressers ...it is natural evolution (sic).^^I think the cranial changes are a stretch if any are claiming this as a step in evolution. But some claim to have the answer by looking at IQ, holding that some data shows that gays have higher IQ than straights.(See for example: John P. De Cecco, Michael G. Shively (1984) Bisexual and homosexual identities: critical theoretical issues.) Other studies report higher verbal IQ scores among gays (Lewis Aiken. 2004. Assessment of Intellectual functioning.) Their argument this is that with certain groups in humanity getting smarter as shown by their higher IQs, then the trend in evolution is towards more homosexuality. Hence stop opposing progressive things such as gay marriage for it is a foreordained trend so the argument goes. Ahhh, yeahhh. Well.... It may look good on paper but in real life, I beg to differ. I've known too many flaming queens who were dumber than a bag of bricks to buy this argument. Trust me, sexual preference has nothing to do with intelligence. If it did, Einstein would have been working the runway in a pair of stilettos and fishnet stockings. Why can't people just accept the fact that life on this planet is about variety. No two leaves are the same, no two snow flakes are identical, everyone's finger prints are unique, so why should everyone's sexual tastes be the same? Why do we keep insisting that life is what it's not when all the evidence is in front of us telling us what it really is?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Jul 20, 2014 20:54:11 GMT -5
Answering yours own questions.
1.(Z-man) Their argument is that with certain groups in humanity being smarter (as shown by their higher IQs), then the trend in evolution is towards more homosexuality. Hence, proponents argue, stop opposing progressive things such as gay marriage or more gay orientation for it is a foreordained trend, one being pioneered by higher IQ.
2. (Anansi)I am sure gay sex existed even in Egypt.
The 42 Divine Principles of Maat in Budge's native English follows.
11.I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
3. (Anansi) Now I am not by any means equating apparent bestiality with gay sex but this thing was shocking to me .
AND ..what they do or don't for sex I won't get into that,
4. (Truthteacher)To me the cure then, is for all of us to mind our damn business.
I got no problem with this on the gay beastiality thing - live and let live
Nuff said?
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 20, 2014 21:01:50 GMT -5
My take on the whole gay rights thing, two people of the same sex who want marry each other is a contract between those people what they do or don't for sex I won't get into that,just like I won't get into what kind of sex straight people get into,I am more concern with abuse and hypocrisy closeted gay leaders both political and clergy met out to out of the closeted gay people for inevitably they all get busted,as to ancient times in Africa,I am sure gay sex existed even in Egypt. Sculpture of Erotic Group Despite the overtly sexual imagery, this composition has important religious content. The procreative union recalls the birth of Horus after the murdered Osiris posthumously impregnated his wife Isis. This legend, one of ancient Egypt's most important myths, was associated with fertility and resurrection. The six small figures probably represent priests. The bound oryx held by the two attendants at the right signifies the destruction of evil and reinforces Osiris's triumph.
Medium: Limestone, painted Place Made: Alexandria, Egypt Dates: 305-30 B.C.E. Period: early Ptolemaic Periodlink[/a It'd be nice to blame the Greeks for the above,but another one of their exception was with cult of Mendes Now I am not by any means equating apparent bestiality with gay sex but this thing was shocking to me when I first saw it,now understand that societies have their ideals but the reality is alot of folks who created and police those those ideals failed to live up to them be they people of the book or not,and they were always exceptions to the rule. As to the rest of Africa my guess it would have been weird but not unknown for there was no official gay people.one would have to look into the Herem life of the elites to see what they had. I'd dare say that the ancients had a totally different understanding about sexuality than we do. I doubt you'd ever see a picture of Jesus doing this: Just have an idea that over the course of 3,000 yrs somebody di something after having one too many beers: I have a lot of close friends, but we never got this close..
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 20, 2014 21:06:15 GMT -5
Answering yours own questions. 1.(Z-man) Their argument is that with certain groups in humanity being smarter (as shown by their higher IQs), then the trend in evolution is towards more homosexuality. Hence, proponents argue, stop opposing progressive things such as gay marriage or more gay orientation for it is a foreordained trend, one being pioneered by higher IQ. Personally, I thnk this is bullshit. They would have a stronger argument if they said that the objection to it is based on Biblical principles that most people do not adhere to. If they did, then all women would have to be virgins till the day they marry. Since no one is holding heterosexuals to living by Biblical standards, it's hypocritical to expect homosexuals to do so. Any idea that they are somehow more intellectual is pure garbage. Some of the dumbest most intollerant ultraconservative people I've ever had the displeasure of meeting were gay.2. (Anansi)I am sure gay sex existed even in Egypt. The 42 Divine Principles of Maat in Budge's native English follows. 11.I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men. Nuff said? And the Bible say's "Thou shalt not kill", "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself". What makes you think they lived up to their spiritual ideals anymore than the rest of the world? For example, you still haven't answered my question: Did you loose your virginity to your wife? Didn't Jesus say that fornicators will not enter the kingdom of heaven? What's written on paper by the religious establishment and what ordinary people do in real life are too different things. Nuff said? But just incase you were not aware, it was common practice for Egyptians to buy a scarb of protection to be placed in their bandages when they were mumified. The scarb was inscribed with a magical incantation petitioning their heart not to bare witness against them. In other words, it was insurance that theire heart woud spill the beans about all the fkry they did in their life times and they would be able to pass judgement. What people say they do and what they actually do are two different things. This is a universal story as old as time! I think a lot of Ancient Egyptians would have related to this song:
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