An American Deception: Blacks and Native Americans

[anansi]

A mother and son team have some pretty interesting take on Africans the word Negro and dark or Black Indians who were present before Europeans came.
these dark Indians were mixed with the Africans who came as slaves thus confusing the two populations,good watch check out some of their other vids.

[nebsen]

In the 1st video they talk about Dr. Louis Henry Gates saying only 5% of African Americans have native blood in an Ebony article . They say they don't know where he gets this information from. Well he gets his information from Ancestry .com which he is part owner i believe. Dr. Gates has been saying this for a while now based on his DNA samples from African Americans. They should know this, for he has been on PBS with a program that is on now, about DNA & ancestry with famous people of all races. Now maybe they still need larger samples of African American to reach the percents that they say on this video is more accurate. I personally feel it is much higher than 5%.

[truthteacher2007]

Oct 11, 2014 17:43:49 GMT -5 nebsen said:

In the 1st video they talk about Dr. Louis Henry Gates saying only 5% of African Americans have native blood in an Ebony article . They say they don't know where he gets this information from. Well he gets his information from Ancestry .com which he is part owner i believe. Dr. Gates has been saying this for a while now based on his DNA samples from African Americans. They should know this, for he has been on PBS with a program that is on now, about DNA & ancestry with famous people of all races. Now maybe they still need larger samples of African American to reach the percents that they say on this video is more accurate. I personally feel it is much higher than 5%.

I personally don't agree with Gates. I know far too many people who DO have native ancestry. My god mother does and I do not appreciate anyone trying to tell her she doesn't know who her family is. I know many people who are classified as black in our society who are card carrying members of native groups. How can he make such a sweeping claim based on a few DNA samples. Afro Americans are an extreemly diverse group. So when I see studies that say Afro this or that are this percentage this, that percentage that, I'm like, well how do they know? Did they test everybody? Can they test everybody? We are not all identical in color or racial composition. This idea that we are all the same in itself is a myth that needs to be exposed. Some of us are genetically pure, some of use are extreemly mixed, multi racial and thatis the reality of who we are. I would also say it would depend greatly on what part of the country the people are located.

[truthteacher2007]

I haven't finished watching the videos, but I will say this regarding the use of terms like negro. I think it is important to realize that terms of racial classification were created for the benifit of the ruling class and so definitions shift as suits their needs. Also, there were differences between the way the English classified people and the way that the Spanish did. The South East changed hands between the Spanish and English. In the regions that were controled by the English, there was a great deal of incentive to classify natives as negros. If the people there were "negros", then they had no legal claim to the land and it could be taken from them. The same tactic of blood quantum is still being used against native people and Hawaiians to steal their land from them. In areas of New England where there were high rates of mixing between Africans and Natives, the govt has used the one drop rule to claim that those people are black and not native and have no claim to ancestral lands etc. In Hawaii, where there is a movement by natives to reclaim family land, they have used the same tactic. If you have more than a certain percentage of Native ancestry, (of course they determine what the acceptable percentage is), you are not a native and have no claim to anything. They totally disregard the identity of the individuals, their cultural upbringing and impose their world view on these people and subject them to laws that disenfranchise them. This is why I so detest this idea of racial classifying people. It was not designed for our benefit, but as a tool to be used against us.

[anansi]

Add to the fact that Blacks the earliest man in the America's may not show African genetic stuff because they may well came from Asia/Pacific and may have survived to this day.


Man as 'black’for 50 years finds out he's probably not

Wayne Joseph, the principal of a big suburban high school in southern California, had an unequivocal sense of his black heritage, having written extensively about race in America.

But after seeing a TV story last April about a Florida company, DNA Print Genomics, which marketed an ancestry-by-DNA test, he began to wonder exactly how much of him was African, how much wasn't, and what else there might be in his genes.

"I sent away for their kit and received the kit, happened to swab both sides of my cheek and sent the swabs in," Joseph said.

A few weeks later, the results arrived at his comfortable Claremont, Calif., home.

"I just glanced at it, just a cursory glance initially — didn't really notice it much," Joseph said. "Then, I went back to it, because all of a sudden it hit me exactly what I had read. And it read, 57 percent Indo-European, 39 percent Native American, 4 percent East Asian and 0 percent African.

After a lifetime as a black man, Wayne Joseph discovered he probably isn't black at all. '

Complete Shock

"I kiddingly say, if I was 21 instead of 50, I'd be in therapy," Joseph said, "because when you define yourself one way and then at 50, there are results that say you're something else, it does rock your whole world.

It also rocked the world of Martin and Kenya, his kids from his first marriage — to a black woman.

"Honestly, I didn't know what to say," Kenya said. "I was in complete shock."

Joseph asked his mother, Betty, if he was adopted. "He is not adopted," she said. "Mother doesn't forget when she has a baby. And I had three babies. And he was one of them."

On both sides, the Joseph family is of Creole stock, which does not necessarily mean African ancestry. Yet, before DNA tests, in the segregated parishes of Louisiana they'd always defined themselves as black, or "colored" in the old-fashioned parlance, despite their light complexions.

Betty Joseph said at age 76, DNA results will not alter the way she's identified herself all her life. She is a black woman. Or so she insists.

"It's hard to break old habits at my age," Betty Joseph said.

But Wayne's kids seem to be doing a bit more identity searching.

"That really makes myself and my sister sit back and say, 'OK, what are we comprised of?'" Martin said.

"I think this opens up a lot of doors," Kenya said, "and forces people to look at things differently about how we classify people with regard to race."

Room for Doubt?

The DNA test is very sophisticated, but it is not accurate to the tiniest fraction of ancestral genes — which means in this case, maybe there's room for doubt.

"There are some people who have said to me, 'Oh, Wayne, you know, [you've] got to get retested. I mean, it can't be right,'" Joseph said. "And so my response to them is, 'OK, let's say I get retested, I come back 9 percent African, 10 percent African, so I'm back in the club now?'"

Instead, Joseph is focusing on one of the old South's most enduring legacies. The so-called "one drop" rule, "says that anyone who has one black ancestor or any black blood at all is considered black in this country," Joseph said.

"The interesting thing about it is the one-drop rule is a rule that was imposed by slave owners who did not want the white purity in some way blemished by black blood," Joseph added. "And we still, black people and white people in this country, still hold to that rule."

Some with black ancestors choose to identify themselves as white, thereby trying to avoid the racial penalties usually paid by African-Americans. It's an old and familiar theme in Hollywood in films like the latest of the genre, The Human Stain — in which a college professor with African genes lives as white and Jewish.

Only in an absurd farce, like The Jerk, does a white man identify himself as black, though, in a way, that is precisely what Wayne Joseph proudly, if unwittingly, did for the last 50 years. The question is, what does he do now?

Joseph's birth certificate says he was born in New Orleans, and lists his race and color as "Negro." And his life has been that of a black American — including his hair style as a college kid, which was about as close as he could get to an Afro.

He's had his exposure to racism as well.

"I've been called a n----r before by white kids," Joseph said. "I've experienced being rousted by the police, with some friends. I've had the so-called — if there are typical, you know — black experiences. I've had those."

And without having the chance to make a choice, he has passed on his pride in being a black man to his family.

"We were taught growing up to embrace our black heritage," Kenya said, "and really be proud of what that means, and the struggles that black people went through."

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How many like this man exist.