Is there any solid proof that Ancient Egyptians were white ?

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Jan 19, 2015 11:13:43 GMT -5 zarahan said:

lol indeed, your decade on the front lines has been put to good use!
One can see the power and fluency in your excellent chart, particularly
the timeline. I have been looking lately at the extent of Kushite dominion
south, and seems to me looking at some scholars that it extended beyond
Kusti, below & south of Khartoum, and drew huge amounts of resources and
trade from further south deep into Sudan, which effectively makes Kush's
empire a "sub-Saharan" entity, a physical reality obscured by the shifting
of the Sahara south, converting African cultures once far to the north into NON
sub-saharan entities..


But anyway, when you say in its heyday Kush up to Meddigo, are you
thinking of the empire under Taharqa and others expanded into Palestine and
Syria?

And I know its been written about (but cant find links)- What's the latest on the
role of Kerma/Qustul/Nubia in founding the AE dynastic era? Way back
Bruce Trigger or Williams made this argument, and I know its been out of
favor for a while, but what's the latest? I know you are a master custodian of
"institutional memory" on the many links and resources of ES/The Nile.

I invite anyone with skills to
"standardize" my chart -- which
I'm reposting below with Buhen
added to see the Wawat region
(Lower Nubia) region's hegemony
was disputed between Egypt on
the one hand and the successive
Ta Nehesi states of Wawat and Kesh.



Will have to look into who extended
their Two Lands (Kush & Egypt) north
border to Megiddo. Since pre-dynastic
days sections of the Levant were more
or less under Egyptian suzerainty. How
far north shifted from pharaoh to pharaoh.

The last I heard it was claimed
Hierakonpolis(?) had coterminous
use of the regalia found in Qustul.
Again, I need to check to be sure.

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Jan 19, 2015 15:56:06 GMT -5 rivertemz said:

Wow im glad to be apart of this forums, you all just give "The Best" commentary and sources on subjects like these, you make it so easy yet it's so hard for the general public to grasp & place these blatant facts together for some odd reason.

So a definite support for Kemet being of African origin, period, nothing else came before, but after the dynastic period.
It just bothers me how much support the pseudo-historically aryan-influenced academics and media outlets are going to continue to push that concept. When would it ever end !?

It will never end.
It's a struggle to the top
and once there it's a struggle
to remain. As we received from
previous generations so we improve
and pass on to upcoming generations.

Each one teach one

A luta continua

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Jan 19, 2015 23:05:26 GMT -5 zarahan said:

... Napoleon came back from Egypt with a huge ton of documentation
and artifacts,

Good gosh! I remember tracking
down a copy of Denon. It was in
a little reserve library away from
the school's stacks. The clerks
dressed old culturally European
style complimenting mine own
contemporary African inspired attire.

The volume was huge. Am I exagerating
memory if I say the size of two thin
men's torso? Toting it to my table
the librarian clerks propped it for
me, turning page for page to my
selections then securing the
spread with velvet covered
tubular lead weights. I
never touched the tome.

I sat and sketched from Denon.
I'm sure the one gasping and
quietly exclaiming librarian
was more in reaction to Denon
than my sketch but it was an
assuring ego boost.

Your inlaws will never understand
it but a library/museum vacation
like in the footsteps of Rogers
is quite rewarding. Wish I could
drum up that kind of money but
imagine an ES colleague-ship
spanning members in any variety
of countries and continents and
what that would do the database
and the new paradigms extracted.

[Tukuler al~Takruri]

Jan 19, 2015 23:05:26 GMT -5 zarahan said:

Yes Kemet is of African origin and foundations. Now just to be clear, there
were always people from the Middle East and elsewhere floating into Egypt over
the millennia. So-called "Afrocentrists" don't "deny" this at all- despite strawmen
claims to the contrary. There were always merchants, traders, nomads and war captives
from the Mid East and Europe- how could there not be, given Kemet's location?
But the core population and the founders are African, well up into the NEw Kingdom.
And the closest people biologically and culturally to the Egyptians as study after study
shows are not "Middle Easterners" but Nubians.

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I know you & others know the above but just mentioning it for any new readers and also to expose
assorted strawmen, bogus claims about so-called "Afrocentrists" who allegedly believe
"no one entered Egypt until the end". Its all fake strawmen they set up to "refute."

Hope I'm not butting in but I'd just like to say

I first became conscious of TaMeri's
increasing influx of foreigners and
engendering of the vast admixed pops
in the north and retreat of indigenees
ever southward, clear through to the
Arab incursions, in Chancellor Wms'
Black Civilization. Dated? Sure.
Still worth a referential read
to recall, brainpick, and improve
upon (eg, inner African aSTR royal
mummy genomes -- with reverential
respect for Lucas Martin).

There are primary documents which
show foreigners not only settled
in Lower Egypt but named such
after the home nation's towns.

Some were individual settlers who
came for employment opportunities
some were defeated enemy soldiers
ensconced by a pharaoh himself as
his personal guard or as military
corpsmen in the regular army. Then
there were the foreign born 'pleasure
women' and other categories of
in migrants.

A steady trickle as little as 3-5%
is enough to alter a local population
over centuries of time and so the
Delta population slowly became
what it is today, afaik.

[forty2tribes]

The preponderance of albinos among melinated populations is proof that some were white.