Post by anansi on Mar 27, 2015 1:36:58 GMT -5
Bro Al Takruri bought up an interesting point over at ES in regards to a possible connection with Dar Tichitt-Walata later to develop into the state called Wagadu or Ghana with Nabta Playa ,then I remembered reading somewhere that among some medieval scholars or commentator,said the magicians that battled Moses came from Ghana,then there is the thread I made sometime ago,that the land of Yam lay west of the Nile,and that Kemitian businessmen met with their Yamite counter parts in the Darfur chad area,but the Yamities didn't live there for they came from further west, now the only state that I knew of that lays far west of the Nile that could fit the bill at that early epoch would be Wagadu aka Ghana.
This however do not prove my theory that the Yamities were indeed Ghanaians (not present day) but other circumstantial evidence such as the trade routes of a later date may well go towards that point.
Trade routes from Walata to the Nile
Now at about 2500 B.C both the economies of emergent Kush and Walatans, mushroomed,
Yam could now be placed on the Nile
Yamities trade and diplomatic mission.
Keep in mind this is a thought exercise based on circumstantial evidence but given that long distance relations existed up and down the Nile and from east to west it's time we look at things with a fresh pair of eyes and asks questions.
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The upper inscription on the right reads Iam hr ms ntr... ("Yam bringing ..."). The land of Yam was the destination of three lengthy voyages made by Harkhouf, whose autobiographical texts on the facade of his rock tomb in Aswan are among the most important Ancient Egyptian historical records. While the three voyages are described in much detail, the location of Yam has been a total mystery, with most Egyptologists placing it somewhere in Nubia and west of the Nile. The reference to Yam at Uweinat suggests that the route starting at Dakhla, and clearly passing by Uweinat, could possibly have continued on to Yam, which in this case could have been further south-west (with Uweinat possibly being a meeting and trading point). Possible areas thay may be identified as Yam are Darfur, Ennedi or even the Tibesti mountains. Unfortunately the name of the produce is too weathered to be clearly readable, but the figure holding a bowl or basket full of some substance behind the prostrate figure would indicate a powdered or granular substance. The first sign of the produce is ntr, Clayton and Trafford suggest a reading of Sn-ntr (incense), as this was a produce of Yam referred to by Harkhouf. Having had a good close look, I'm reasonably convinced that no more than one sign could be after ntr, the other patterns are simply weathering. This would not fit sn-ntr, however there is an alternate reading/produce, ntr-y (a kind of Natron). We do know that Natron is a key produce of the Chad region to this day, and with the ongoing civil war in Egypt, Mentuhotep in Thebes may have been cut off from the only major supply of this material crucial for mummification, Wadi Natrun in the north. However at this moment this reading is nothing more than speculation.
The lower inscription is the repetition of the upper one, with the name of the land and the produce replaced. It reads Tkhb-t(n?) hr ms ... ("Tekhebet bringing ..."). This is the only known reference to this land. Clayton and Trafford suggest the reading of Tkhb-t, suggesting the "n" sign to be a duplicate determinative (the Tkhb root means "watered, irrigated"). However at close look, I can only see a single "n" sign, which would make the reading an alternate Tkhb-tn. In both cases the name would seem to imply "The place with water". There is tantalizing logical jump to the present day name of Jebel Uweinat, in Arabic "The mountain of the little springs". The produce is totally illegible with the exception of the first sign which is clearly a "t", however the image of an oryx antelope would fit the wildlife expectable at an Uweinat mountain slightly wetter than today. However this is purely a hypothesis at the moment, that cannot be proven either way until further references to this place are found.
Of course the most important question is what prompted this exceptional expedition (it's uniqueness clearly demonstrated by the lack of any other known Ancient Egyptian inscription elsewhere in the central Libyan Desert). The date of the inscription is intriguing by itself, as based on the spelling of the King's name, the Uweinat visit apparently took place in the period of the King's reign that predated final victory and reunification. I am currently doing research on the historical context of the inscription, as well as trying to identify the possible individuals who could have set up and led such an expedition that was a major undertaking in those times (the King being very unlikely to have participated himself, it was probably the expedition leader who made the inscription on Mentuhotep's behalf). There are a couple of tantalizing clues, I hope to have an article on the results by the end of the year.
Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1015/pharaonic-trail-land-yam#ixzz3VYz9Pzft
The lower inscription is the repetition of the upper one, with the name of the land and the produce replaced. It reads Tkhb-t(n?) hr ms ... ("Tekhebet bringing ..."). This is the only known reference to this land. Clayton and Trafford suggest the reading of Tkhb-t, suggesting the "n" sign to be a duplicate determinative (the Tkhb root means "watered, irrigated"). However at close look, I can only see a single "n" sign, which would make the reading an alternate Tkhb-tn. In both cases the name would seem to imply "The place with water". There is tantalizing logical jump to the present day name of Jebel Uweinat, in Arabic "The mountain of the little springs". The produce is totally illegible with the exception of the first sign which is clearly a "t", however the image of an oryx antelope would fit the wildlife expectable at an Uweinat mountain slightly wetter than today. However this is purely a hypothesis at the moment, that cannot be proven either way until further references to this place are found.
Of course the most important question is what prompted this exceptional expedition (it's uniqueness clearly demonstrated by the lack of any other known Ancient Egyptian inscription elsewhere in the central Libyan Desert). The date of the inscription is intriguing by itself, as based on the spelling of the King's name, the Uweinat visit apparently took place in the period of the King's reign that predated final victory and reunification. I am currently doing research on the historical context of the inscription, as well as trying to identify the possible individuals who could have set up and led such an expedition that was a major undertaking in those times (the King being very unlikely to have participated himself, it was probably the expedition leader who made the inscription on Mentuhotep's behalf). There are a couple of tantalizing clues, I hope to have an article on the results by the end of the year.
Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1015/pharaonic-trail-land-yam#ixzz3VYz9Pzft
This however do not prove my theory that the Yamities were indeed Ghanaians (not present day) but other circumstantial evidence such as the trade routes of a later date may well go towards that point.
Trade routes from Walata to the Nile
Now at about 2500 B.C both the economies of emergent Kush and Walatans, mushroomed,
Yam could now be placed on the Nile
Yamities trade and diplomatic mission.
Keep in mind this is a thought exercise based on circumstantial evidence but given that long distance relations existed up and down the Nile and from east to west it's time we look at things with a fresh pair of eyes and asks questions.
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klik here^also.