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Post by anansi on Feb 14, 2016 11:42:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction Bro Altakruri. |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 14, 2016 12:17:57 GMT -5
You know I speak truth.
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Post by anansi on Feb 14, 2016 12:20:47 GMT -5
BS...for one all your pics you posted didn't come through which are unreliable. And two I posted pics of ancient Libyan's who are direct descendants of North African and they are all white. Why is it you saps always roll out the same ol tired repros that looked like it was done by a 7yrs old yet have the nerve to question my visuals lol  Here^ use this instead it's still a repo but much better than that crebi crebi drawning by a child. the lite skinned Libyan may very well be much dark than presented above, we know for sure that the Tehennu were roughtly the same chocolate color as the Kemitians. And I am sure you think that North Africans out side the coastal areas are white or lite skinned but dude the hinterland is filled with dark skinned folks The origins of lite or even white skinned folks on the coastal areas are multi faceted some may very well be related to sea people, others as slaves, some as conquerors and others as wanderers and traders that never leave the reverse of dark-skinned or Blacks from Africa that migrated in the north med,all in all no real mystery people migrate.    Libyan or "Tjehenu" man from the Old Kingdom era of Egypt wears characteristic "crossbands"  Modern crossbands of young Fulani menlink |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 14, 2016 13:21:53 GMT -5
I have nothing to say to you. As I waste not my time on the wilfully ignorant. Not willfully ignorant. I have provided facts to prove my argument. What have you provided? Nothing but pseudo science. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2016 14:04:30 GMT -5
  I have nothing to say to you. As I waste not my time on the wilfully ignorant. Not willfully ignorant. I have provided facts to prove my argument. What have you provided? Nothing but pseudo science.
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ANCIENT
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HOTEP! NILE VALLEY MOVEMENT
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Post by ANCIENT on Feb 14, 2016 15:39:37 GMT -5
I'm new to this site and Hotep to everybody! While I was scrolling through this forum I came across this thread and the individual who's saying that Black Africans are not indigenous to North Africa really dont understand African genetics nor the Egyptian Y chromosomes and probably just trolling for attention on a Black forum. We are the Haplogroup E family now lets focus on Upper Egypt... African Americans and Sub-Saharan's are E1B1A and E1B1A originates in Northeast Africa which is an fact, therefore we can all claim that we claim from some part of North African some point in time within our ancestry. DNA is connected to the people and not the land! Now what we have to undertsand is that I'm pro-KMT, pro-Nubia and ultimately I'm pro-Nile Valley so I'm Nile Valley before anything and we all know that the Ancient Kemetians said it themselves that they came from the South of KMT and not the North! Therefore all of our origins and humanity comes from the Central Africa (Uganda), the Nile is just the cradle of all civilization in which we acknowledge. The Ancient North Africans came from the South and West and current North Africans are not indigenous to North Africa, the modern Egyptians are mostly of Arabic descent and the Berbers are a mixture of races from European and Black African and even some have Arab DNA also and this was a result of evolution of years of intermarriages, rape and interracial sex between others, 100,000 years ago those modern North Africans weren't in North Africa! Like I said before DNA is not connected to land but its connected to the people of that land and people has been migrating and cross-breeding since the beginning of times. Now lets get to the real information... E1b1a (M2) This population grew in enough numbers in the Ethiopian lowlands to be able to cross into the territories of Paleo Africans on their West in Sudan E1b1a (L576) This population represents an East to West thrust in Africa, only E1b1a lineage able to survive crossing the A1b1 territories E1b1a (L86.1) This mutation indicates that the population crossed the A1b1 dominated Grassland into the regions West of the great Lakes E1b1a (M58) Expansion between the Great Lakes & Midwest Africa E1b1a (M116.2) Very small minority in Mali E1b1a (M149) Very small minority in South Africa E1b1a (M155) Very small minority in Mali E1b1a (M10) Dispersed between Cameroon & Tanzania E1b1a (L485) An important lineage that emerged in the Eastern Benue valley in Central Nigeria E1b1a (L514) Marker for a strong lineage that played a major role in turning West Africa into their new territor E1b1a (M191) This marker indicates that the main body of (L485) reached the Benue River in Nigeria and Cameroon E1b1a (P252) A population that followed the Benue river South, an important marker of the Bantu expansion in Nigeria E1b1a (P9.2) The population that remained in the Benue region, expanded into West into Nigeria & South to Gabon E1b1a (P115) Eastern limit expansion population, reaching Southwestern Central Africa, with possible presence in other Fang regions E1b1a (P116) South of the Benue expansion in Southern Cameroon & Gabon E1b1a (U175) An important lineage that emerged in the Western region of Benue in Nigeria and Niger E1b1a (U209) This population represents the backbone of the Bantu expansion, emerged and expanded out of the Bantu Urheimat E1b1a (U290) A primary marker of African slavery in the USA, Important lineage in Southern Cameroon E1b1a (M154) Found in Western Cameroon & South Africa E1b1a (P268) Found in Gambia, could possibly indicate an early expansion out of Central Africa or late emergence out of an L86.1* that lived amongst (L485) or (U175) E1b1a (M329) The E1b1a population that remained in the Ethiopian lowlands. E1B1A/M2/V-38 originates from the NorthEast billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/egyptian-dna-indigenous-to-north-africa-haplogroup-e-familia-m78m35m2/ |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 14, 2016 17:39:27 GMT -5
For the newbies... E1b1 (and E1b1a) are found all throughout Africa. The clown posting this nonsense do not know the Eb1b found in SSA is a PARACLADE or pragroup meaning that the parental Hg(E1b1) for both is probably originated in Great Lakes SSA. E1b1b(1) is found in the oldest populations in Africa like the Khoi and Hadza. E1b1b is over 20thousand years old, much older than E1b1a. That why E1b1a is localized.  |
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Post by snakepit on Feb 14, 2016 21:35:42 GMT -5
You speak bs. But anyway, pale-skin evolved outside of Africa. Ergo, anyone with pale skin in Africa today, are not indigenous. There, end of "discussion". Now get out of here. |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 0:38:18 GMT -5
No it originated in North Africa. The Egyptians and Moors are proof of that.
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 0:40:45 GMT -5
Do not forget that Egyptians were Meditereanan Caucasoids as they were before and still are.
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Post by anansi on Feb 15, 2016 1:33:09 GMT -5
Do not forget that Egyptians were Meditereanan Caucasoids as they were before and still are. At this point we just having fun with ya, you can be of use as a tool to teach, now pls tell in what text the the ancient Kemetian told you they came from the Caucasus, since they did write and let folks know for all times where they came from..c'mon don't be bashful. |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 16:22:22 GMT -5
"North African populations are distinct from sub-Saharan Africans based on cultural, linguistic, and phenotypic attributes; however, the time and the extent of genetic divergence between populations north and south of the Sahara remain poorly understood. Here, we interrogate the multilayered history of North Africa by characterizing the effect of hypothesized migrations from the Near East, Europe, and sub-Saharan Africa on current genetic diversity. We present dense, genome-wide SNP genotyping array data (730,000 sites) from seven North African populations, spanning from Egypt to Morocco, and one Spanish population. We identify a gradient of likely autochthonous Maghrebi ancestry that increases from east to west across northern Africa; this ancestry is likely derived from “back-to-Africa” gene flow more than 12,000 years ago (ya), prior to the Holocene. The indigenous North African ancestry is more frequent in populations with historical Berber ethnicity. In most North African populations we also see substantial shared ancestry with the Near East, and to a lesser extent sub-Saharan Africa and Europe. To estimate the time of migration from sub-Saharan populations into North Africa, we implement a maximum likelihood dating method based on the distribution of migrant tracts. In order to first identify migrant tracts, we assign local ancestry to haplotypes using a novel, principal component-based analysis of three ancestral populations. We estimate that a migration of western African origin into Morocco began about 40 generations ago (approximately 1,200 ya); a migration of individuals with Nilotic ancestry into Egypt occurred about 25 generations ago (approximately 750 ya). Our genomic data reveal an extraordinarily complex history of migrations, involving at least five ancestral populations, into North Africa."
Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations
Brenna Henn et al.
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 16:22:56 GMT -5
Brown/red caucasoid people are still caucasoid people in physical appearance, never negroid  read the paper above about the genetics of north africa |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 16:23:21 GMT -5
and by the way; Every genetic study extant places the origins of haplogroup E either in Northeast Africa or in Eurasia. None associate the clade's origins directly with Negroid populations. Despite this, confusion (primarily among laypeople) seems to surround the haplogroup's population affinities. This mainly has to do with the fact that numerous (though not all) modern Negroid peoples carry the clade. the following explain why they do, as well as how, when and through what mechanism(s) those Negroid peoples acquired haplogroup E in the first place from the Hamitic folk it originated with. hamiticunion.proboards.com/thread/4/hamitic-origin-haplogroup |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 16:23:33 GMT -5
While many Negroid populations today carry haplogroup E lineages, this was not the case only a few centuries ago. This has to do with the fact that: 1) The oldest Negroid skeletal remains that have ever been found are only about 12,000 years old i.e. tens of thousands of years younger than when the mutation that defines haplogroup E first arose. "On the basis of genetic and archaeological data, black Africans seem to have radiated from a relatively small West African and possibly pygmy population within the last 20,000 years (Coon, 1962, pp. 651-656; Spurdle et al., 1994; Watson et al., 1996). The time and place of origin can be further narrowed down with linguistic data. Speakers of proto-Niger Congo broke up c. 10,000 BP and the oldest derived group appear to be proto-Mande speakers, whose descendants inhabit the Niger's headwaters near the Mali-Guinea border (Blench, 1984, pp. 128-129; Ehret, 1984; Murdock, 1959, pp. 44, 64-68)[...] Thus, black Africans were still absent from most of sub-Saharan Africa even within historic times. When the Egyptians began to build their pyramids, the peoples living to the south were scarcely darker in color. They were simply seen as uncivilized Egyptians. Thus, the civilized world initially encountered a much narrower range of human phenotypes than it would later on. This context shaped the intellectual worldview in its early stages, including theorizing on universal brotherhood. To a degree not easy to assess, we are heirs to notions of human sameness that were first conceived ‘before Africa became black’." Read more: hamiticunion.proboards.com/thread/4/hamitic-origin-haplogroup#ixzz40Gq9yqzG |
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