KEMET VS ISRAEL

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 12:27:03 GMT -5 history91 said:

This particular portait is the most scientific attempt I have seen at depicting what Jesus may have looked like:

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The image, hosted on the BBC special Jesus: The Complete Story, is based off a British reconstruction of a 1st Century Israelite that would have lived during Jesus's time period, so while as random picking a single man from a Modern population to represent all men of that time period it is a forensice attempt at portraying the people of the time:

Reconstruction

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The hair style is based off images of Ancient jews from the same time period and the skin tone is based on a Biblical passage about Jesus's family fleeing to Egypt to escape persecution from Herod.

The historians who were referenced for this section of the reconstruction concluded that Israelites must not have looked very different from Egyptians at this time period if an Israelite family could have so easily blended into the Egyptian population.

So there had to be aparalell between the physical appearance of the Israelites with that of the Egyptians.

Lovely reconstruction.

I remember whites calling this images the images of a criminal. Anyway, I posted early images.

The Northeast (lower) Egypt of Africa by that time in particular looked like the Fayum. Hence, not white. Science says they were mixed with incoming populations, but still clustered more with indigenous Africans from the South of Egypt/ North of Sudan.

Eye witness Flavius Josephus describes a man, referring at the individual Jesus/ Joshua Ben Pantera as: Short, dark skinned, with curly/ frizzy hair. And underdeveloped beard.

This is how the tradition is remembered, and rightfully so. lol

Solomon 1308-11 Tempera on wood, 42,5 x 16 cm Museo dell’Opera del Duomo, Siena

[history91]

Also European Jews said they have written records tracing the family origin back to Palestine. Possibly a minute few may have mixed with Africansback in Ancient times. Not trying to argue just trying to get truth.

[history91]

But doesn't the Fayum look like today's population of Egyptians? Also had a Chaldean lady tell me she was the same race as Christ.

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 12:49:32 GMT -5 history91 said:

Also European Jews said they have written records tracing the family origin back to Palestine. Possibly a minute few may have mixed with Africansback in Ancient times. Not trying to argue just trying to get truth.

There are two Talmud's the "Babylonian and Palestine" Talmud. Europeans carry the "Babylonian" Talmud.

Also, these are secular accounts.  



Genes Tell Tale of Jewish Ties to Africa

forward.com/culture/140721/genes-tell-tale-of-jewish-ties-to-africa/#ixzz3wH5vgdJd

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 12:59:32 GMT -5 history91 said:

But doesn't the Fayum look like today's population of Egyptians? Also had a Chaldean lady tell me she was the same race as Christ.

Some of the population does. Not all obviously, and they weren't/ aren't white as you implied.lol


When the Greeks, Romans and Ptolemy entered Egypt they encountered Siwa Berbers, in Alexandria.

Enjoy:

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 12:49:32 GMT -5 history91 said:

Also European Jews said they have written records tracing the family origin back to Palestine. Possibly a minute few may have mixed with Africansback in Ancient times. Not trying to argue just trying to get truth.

Millions of Jews traced to four women

Study identifies genetic signatures for 3.5 million Ashkenazi Jews


NEW YORK — About 3.5 million of today’s Ashkenazi Jews — 40 percent of the total Ashkenazi population — are descended from just four women, a genetic study indicates.

Those women apparently lived somewhere in Europe within the last 2,000 years, but not necessarily in the same place or even the same century, said lead author Dr. Doron Behar of the Rambam Medical Center in Haifa, Israel.

He did the work with Karl Skorecki of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology and others.

Each woman left a genetic signature that shows up in their descendants today, he and colleagues say in a report published online by the American Journal of Human Genetics. Together, their four signatures appear in about 40 percent of Ashkenazi Jews, while being virtually absent in non-Jews and found only rarely in Jews of non-Ashkenazi origin, the researchers said.

They said the total Ashkenazi population is estimated at around 8 million people. The estimated world Jewish population is about 13 million.

Ashkenazi Jews are a group with mainly central and eastern European ancestry. Ultimately, though, they can be traced back to Jews who migrated from Israel to Italy in the first and second centuries, Behar said. Eventually this group moved to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries and expanded greatly, reaching about 10 million just before World War II, he said.

Maternal lineages traced

The study involved mitochondrial DNA, called mtDNA, which is passed only through the mother. A woman can pass her mtDNA to grandchildren only by having daughters. So mtDNA is “the perfect tool to trace maternal lineages,” Behar said Thursday in a telephone interview.

His study involved analyzing mtDNA from more than 11,000 samples representing 67 populations.

Mike Hammer, who does similar research at the University of Arizona, said he found the work tracing back to just four ancestors “quite plausible ... I think they’ve done a really good job of tackling this question.”

But he said it’s not clear the women lived in Europe.

“They may have existed in the Near East,” Hammer said. “We don’t know exactly where the four women were, but their descendants left a legacy in the population today, whereas ... other women’s descendants did not.”

Behar said the four women he referred to did inherit their genetic signatures from female ancestors who lived in the Near East. But he said he preferred to focus on these later European descendants because they were at the root of the Ashkenazi population explosion.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10827385/ns/technology_and_science-science/



Following:

The origin of Eastern European Jews, (EEJ) by far the largest and most important Ashkenazi population, and their affinities to other Jewish and European populations are still not resolved.


Studies that compared them by genetic distance analysis of autosomal markers to European Mediterranean populations revealed that they are closer to Europeans than to other Jewish populations [1-3].

In contrast, according to the Y-chromosomal haplogroups EEJ are closest to the non-Jewish populations of the Eastern Mediterranean (table 3, figure 4).


"EEJ are the largest and most investigated Jewish community, yet their history as Franco-German Jewry is known to us only since their appearance in the 9th century, and their subsequent migration a few hundred years later to Eastern Europe [4,5]. Where did these Jews come from? It seems that they came to Germany and France from Italy [5-8].


It is also possible that some Jews migrated northward from the Italian colonies on the northern shore of the Black Sea [9]. All these Jews are likely the descendents of proselytes.

Conversion to Judaism was common in Rome in the first centuries BC and AD. Judaism gained many followers among all ranks of Roman Society [10-13]."


The autosomal genetic distance analysis presented here clearly demonstrates that the investigated Jewish populations do not share a common origin.


The resemblance of EEJ to Italians and other European populations portrays them as an autochthonous European population.



**The demographic histories of three Jewish populations exemplify how different demographic patterns make the uniparental markers more reliable for Iraqi (Babylonian) Jews and Yemenite Jews and less reliable for EEJ. Both Yemenite Jews and Iraqi Jews resemble populations from their regions of origin according to autosomal markers [1,3,30-32].


**Babylonian Jews numbered more than a million in the first century AD [35], and constituted the majority of the population in the area between the Euphrates and the Tigris in the 2nd-3rd centuries AD [36]. Gilbert [37] estimates that by 600 AD there were 806,000 Jews in Mesopotamia, and according to Sassoon [38] it was inhabited by about a million Jews in the 7th century. In the 14th century the estimates for Baghdad alone range from 70,000 to hundreds thousands [38].

*By comparing the structure of the STRs network among the various Ashkenazi populations and among the various European non-Jewish populations they reached the conclusion that a single male founder introduced this haplogroup into Ashkenazi Jews in the first millennium.

--Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin1,2,3 et al.

1 Department of Haematology and Genetic Pathology, School of Medicine, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia
2 Department of Human Genetics, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
3 Current Address: Blood Bank, Sheba Medical Center, Ramat-Gan 52621, Israel

"The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms"


biologydirect.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1745-6150-5-57

[history91]

How would you respond to this? Is this true? This is a comment from member of Religious group on Facebook:

"Incorrect.

Ashkenazi is a kind of misnomer. Confusion on the topic enters in because people don't recognize the difference between Jewish by ethnicity, and Jewish by religion. We see this differentiation stated even by St. Paul when he describes himself as a Benjamite by tribe (not tribe of Judah, Jew), Jew (or Jewish) by religion, and a Pharisee by sect (a sect of Judaism). (Phil. 3:5)

Ashkenaz was a descendant of Noah via Gomer via Japheth (Gen. 10:3). They were never Jews by race. They were their own tribal group of peoples related to Gog/Magog--and that IS Turkey today, the Turks and their branches.

The migration that is noticeable are actually the ten northern tribes, the Northern Kingdom, after they were driving from their land (as punishment for there succumbing to moon-god idolatry). They either fled or were taken captive by the Assyrians into the areas between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea as "became *known as*" Scythians, and of course on the east side of the Caspian Sea as Cimmerians. It would be like the migration we see of Syrians into Germany. Over time you may end up calling them Germans, but by ethnicity they are still Syrians. That might be a poor explanation, but the best I can come up with at the moment.

These so-called Scythians' group name changed as they migrated over the centuries westward mostly, and they are more popularly know by the name Celts today, but also had other names."

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 16:16:48 GMT -5 history91 said:

How would you respond to this? Is this true? This is a comment from member of Religious group on Facebook:

"Incorrect.

Ashkenazi is a kind of misnomer. Confusion on the topic enters in because people don't recognize the difference between Jewish by ethnicity, and Jewish by religion. We see this differentiation stated even by St. Paul when he describes himself as a Benjamite by tribe (not tribe of Judah, Jew), Jew (or Jewish) by religion, and a Pharisee by sect (a sect of Judaism). (Phil. 3:5)

Ashkenaz was a descendant of Noah via Gomer via Japheth (Gen. 10:3). They were never Jews by race. They were their own tribal group of peoples related to Gog/Magog--and that IS Turkey today, the Turks and their branches.

The migration that is noticeable are actually the ten northern tribes, the Northern Kingdom, after they were driving from their land (as punishment for there succumbing to moon-god idolatry). They either fled or were taken captive by the Assyrians into the areas between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea as "became *known as*" Scythians, and of course on the east side of the Caspian Sea as Cimmerians. It would be like the migration we see of Syrians into Germany. Over time you may end up calling them Germans, but by ethnicity they are still Syrians. That might be a poor explanation, but the best I can come up with at the moment.

These so-called Scythians' group name changed as they migrated over the centuries westward mostly, and they are more popularly know by the name Celts today, but also had other names."

I have no time for pseudo stuff. I gave you peer reviewed sources, which shows that Celts have nothing to do with ancient Hebrews, Afrasan and culture. All you do is post and ittirate funny commentary and arguments. Nothing valuable.

Btw, ancient  Syrians aren't as modern day Syrians. I already posted this. 


These following people are not white, nor Celts. Stop your rediclious nonsense.

Isaiah 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

The two animals horns most commonly used to make shofars are the African kudu which gives us the Yemenite shofar and the ram which, of course, gives us the rams horn shofar. Additionally, the shofar can have decorations; however these cannot affect the natural sound of the shofar. Finally, many prefer the shofar to have a bend as this reminds us to bend our hearts to G-d.

www.shofar.co

[history91]

So would you say the ancient Israelites looked like the Palestinians of today or black people?

[history91]

And I think the one who made that comment got her info from here:

stevenmcollins.com/html/scythians.html

[samuel]

May 2, 2016 18:26:29 GMT -5 history91 said:

So would you say the ancient Israelites looked like the Palestinians of today or black people?

I believe the ancient Israelites would have looked a little mixed. Not exactly like Bantu Africans like the Egyptians more like Ethiopian type Africans. A good word would be pure Semitic. And Ethiopia is the birthplace of the Semitic race.

The Fayum paintings were of upper class Roman Egyptians.

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 18:26:29 GMT -5 history91 said:

So would you say the ancient Israelites looked like the Palestinians of today or black people?

I already responded to this. And posted sufficient information. For you to iterate is merely silly and pathetic. 
There are black tribes in Palestine, btw.

[Ish Gebor]

May 2, 2016 18:36:27 GMT -5 history91 said:

And I think the one who made that comment got her info from here:

stevenmcollins.com/html/scythians.html

This is from your post/ link. The opening is also your ending. lol

"The ten tribes of Israel essentially vanished from their former Kingdom of Israel by circa 721 BC. ".

"They had been allied to the city-states of Tyre, Sidon, etc. in what historians now call the Phoenician Empire."


Hear him out on Phoenicians:

The Battle of Adwa: An interview with Raymond Jonas

On this gold artwork, the Scythians uniformly depict themselves as Semites who are often bearded. Illustrations of Scythians in the McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature uniformly depict Scythian men, women and youth as Caucasian (or Semitic) individuals.

http://www.stevenmcollins.com 





Reconstruction of Phoenician from Achziv, Israel

bioanthropology.huji.ac.il/publications.asp





Head of a Syrian
KhM 3896a
TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN

www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/record.aspx?id=4906





Head of a Beduin from Syria
KhM 3896b
TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN

www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/record.aspx?id=4907






Head of a Beduin from Syria
KhM 3896c
TILE; NEW KINGDOM

www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/record.aspx?id=4908

The Phoenician civilization flourished along the eastern coastlines of the Mediterranean Sea (the present-day coasts of Syria, Lebanon, and northern Israel) from approximately 2000 BC to 500 BC


"The Phoenicians likely referred to themselves as Canaanites."


The ancient Greeks were the originators of the term “Phoenicia,” which derives from an ancient Greek word (phoinikes) for the color purple.

www.accessscience.com/content/phoenicians/BR0220141

[Ish Gebor]

May 3, 2016 10:06:22 GMT -5 samuel said:

May 2, 2016 18:26:29 GMT -5 history91 said:

So would you say the ancient Israelites looked like the Palestinians of today or black people?

I believe the ancient Israelites would have looked a little mixed. Not exactly like Bantu Africans like the Egyptians more like Ethiopian type Africans. A good word would be pure Semitic. And Ethiopia is the birthplace of the Semitic race.

The Fayum paintings were of upper class Roman Egyptians.

They looked like Northeast Africans (or Horners as you will). This is evident on multiple levels. As I have shown.

[history91]

Those don't pictures look like north Africans they look like Arabs. So you are saying they looked Arabs in Ancient times?